Brilliant


Why isn't this film nominated for an oscar? Oh right, I forgot, because it exposes the truth.

Say what you want, conspiracy theories and all of that, the film just spoke the truths that we don't want to face - we're all castrated lambs

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I felt it was nothing but heavy handed, obvious statements that everyone already knows and accepts (sadly). But it was treating the material like it was creative and really new.

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Not everyone knows, trust me I worked in advertising, and everyone in the business feels like they are creative geniuses who are bringing so much good in the world, instead of what they really are: Lenins who are brainwashing people into living like robots for desires and wants they don't usually have, which make them forget real life, the things that are meaningful. I think the blank space in the end where there were no more billboards, was absolutely liberating. With all the crap I see in my city, all the idiocy of meaningless information that bombards us all with information we don't need so we can buy more crap we don't need is exhausting. But everyone I talk to about this, just says so what, I don't see the problem. I think the film explore the fact, that there is a problem, only that we are robotized way too much to see it. God forbit we live without the new iPhone.

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I agree John. But with anything it's not always one way or another. If we lived along the lines of what this movie says we should we would not have certain advances that we have these days. Think of it like this:

Evolution.

Instead of us evolving into something different physically we are evolving in our minds. Think back 100 years. The advances that we have are greatly owed to the marketing of ideas and products. This causes a push to out-do the next guy, to make...yes, more money. So even though everything we touch we see as not natural, everything IS natural. We as humans are a part of nature, and if we make nuclear bombs that too is a product of us, which is a product of nature. Everything is of nature. So whether we destroy or build due to our "evolution process" we are only doing as our natural instincts tell us and this movie, whether it believes marketing is good or bad, is still a product of mankind. So whatever happens, happens. It's not evil or good. It just happens. So accept it either way, with or without billboards.

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I don't believe that progress is always good. Just because we humans are part of nature, doesn't mean that what we create is good for nature.

I have seen a Japanese tv show of 10 or so episodes once, that I think might have been based on a book, I am not very sure. In this film, an entire school and the yard around it gets suck by some sort of vortex and gets transported into many millenia or millions of years in the future. In this universe humanity has ceased to exist and it has evolved into a creature of darkness that only leaves to kill, and only comes out in the dark. In this film the idea is that humans ultimately killed earth by wasting all of its resources and through garbage. There is actually a scene somewhere where these soda tins are thrown out. In a moment in the show the guys in the future who are slowly dying, because there is no water, not food, nothing for them to be able to exist in this new environment in the future, find a way to transport a letter into the past, where one of the characters, a teacher, the main character, his past version, or maybe in a universe where the travel to the future doesn't happen, receives this letter, and it's mostly about this idea of saving earth.

We of course don't have to take fiction literally, and this tv show, or Branded, or any other film that deeply criticizes society today, should still be taken into consideration. Humans create great things when they question their surroundings, when they don't simply like little lambs accept what's being given to them. Art, and film are supposed to criticize society, and not embrace it, to inspire a challenging spirit.

Just as Dickens or Wilde would criticize the time through their books, many films today do it too. I don't agree with the era of consumerism and money being a natural step in our evolution. I think it's another economic and social mistake of our history, just like slave-ownership, feudalism, fascism etc were. I think we are in that moment in our if you say so evolution, in which we decide the next step of society - whether we will continue to live like viruses by destroying the environment we live in for egotistic gain, or we understand the very ancient Asian philosophy of living with nature, by respecting the environment.

I don't want to be too melodramatic, but are you aware that bees are going extinct, and what that would cause to our society as humans? What I am saying is that when we focus in personal gain, which is what capitalism is all about, we lose more than we think we have gained. If we fail to see the whole picture and collaborate instead of compete we would have lost so much. Climate change, extinction of important species for the environment, pollution of air, the quantity of drinkable water diminishing, all of these are things we should start thinking about. Brands are just fighting to earn more money, and they are fighting for our attention span, that should in fact be focused not only on our survival, but in creating an environment, in which we can both have our commodities and enhance nature. This is all possible if we evolve into naturalists, instead of capitalists.

And as a footnote - Johnny not John - I am a girl, and this is a nickname.

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yup i agree with you.

luckily i go with my gut to watch this movie despite the poor rating.
it just happen i read some books and watch some documentary like the truth behind fast food, food inc, and other multinational corporatocracy. so this movie make sense.

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The weird thing is that this film got deliberately "killed" by marketing & distributors just like the other Anti-Consumerism movie IDIOCRACY!
The same thing happened to a song called "Ka-Ching!" by Shania Twain (was rarely aired in US, while being a big hit in Europe)

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And if you had a shred of intellectual honesty, you'd immediately get off the Internet, stop using the computer, get rid of all electronics, move out of your house and go live in a wooden hut.

Congratulations on becoming part of the anti-industrial revolution. If anyone manages to drive Western civilization into the ground, it will be you and people like you.

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And you.

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What a carefully argued statement!

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Yep i agree all advertisment even film makers think they are creative geniuses .The whole business of it is crap and decieving and manipulative that is what branded shows.

"If you want art, don't mess about with
movies. Buy a Picasso"

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k, didn't read the whole thread, but I agree and disagree with the OP.

First, the main plot idea - brands/advertising ruling our lives via spiritual connection etc, is really cool, and DOES point out some interesting things. Good.

Second, the EXECUTION of the above idea IN THIS MOVIE is done badly here, and that is why it is scoffed at and didn't win any awards. Awards are won by things ABOVE par, not far below it like this ended up being.

One can't say "this is a great movie" simply because the PLOT IDEA is really cool... it has to actually BE a well delivering movie, to be a great movie.
Don't confuse the two. Plot = great, movie = not great, which is unfortunate.

If it wanted to succeed as a MOVIE, it needed to be made as a GOOD MOVIE, not just a really cool idea. Crazier really cool ideas have been made into very successful movies Example: THE MATRIX
It can happen, just didn't happen here.
And I was hoping it would because the plot idea is great.

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I happen to agree with you Johnny. I was struck how Kafkaesque this was. At one point the viewer has an epiphany. A thought came to me in relation to how we see society changing. In the past the Brands were formed by people's desires. But today the People are being formed according to the desires of the Brands. This does not speak of advertising as many may see it, it speaks of the development of products and the formation of the commercial environment. Today, marketing is aimed at changing the behaviour of the people in according to a corporates desire to sell product. At one point in the past products were designed based on the desires and the needs of society. (the wheel, transportation, communication, etc..) but today, we consume products that really fill no need. (Fast food, the cult of brands, etc... ) I also found it interesting that this movie came out of the former Soviet Union, where within one generation, a person can see the commercial transformation of society. Rather, in the west, that transformation has taken a few generations.

A brilliant movie. One of those odd gems.

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I agree with you about the epiphany. I do see also some sort of shift in humanity's love affair with consumerism. The problem is that a very little minority as usual has seen this huge problem that we're facing with our species. There were always mind games with humanity to make us programmed to something, but today it's more dangerous because the methods are much more advanced. Basically there are actual psychologists, and neuroscientists who know much better today than yesterday how our brains work, and how to use this information to program us into wanting their brands. And the science is not that difficult either. It's just so simple if you break it down, because unfortunately we as a species, are very easy to program. On the other hand I love how the film is set in Russia too, not only because we are able to see the consumerism and advertising in a post communist country (and I know how that feels like since I was born in the years where my own country transformed and because from a communist country where you had to stand in line to buy butter portioned by the government, to the moment where we worshipped coca cola and we used the first bottles as decorative pieces in our house - this was in the beginning of the 90s), but also because of the use of Lenin in being the first to create marketing - as Misha says. Lenin did absolutely that, he used propaganda, just like many other fascists and capitalists did to program people into accepting a new reality, shifting their behavior into wanting something and accepting something, and being uncapable of separating with something that ultimately would be harmful to them (I'd be as generous to say that marketing is much more ancient and was used by the first Egyptian kings and semi-gods)
And I have studied Communications, and the notion of propaganda, and using methods, and language into shifting people's behavior and attitude into products and ideas. And I have worked for two years in advertising. I didn't need more than two years to understand how much of a disgusting job we do with shifting people's behavior and attitude into things that, and we think that' art.

That's not freaking art, it's mind games. And the worst part about advertising and branding is not the deifying of the burger, the coca cola, the Apple products (and all of these are pretty aweful, especially knowing how they are shaping third world countries, using their labor - bet America and the civilised west never think about that), but branding is used for politicians nowadays, who are basically prepackaged by lobbying companies who shift their corporate related policies and make the world happen as they wish. So not only they program us, but they make us think it was our own idea.

What I love about the film is how Abby - the voice of the programmed population that doesn't know the truth - is saying so what, so what if they are making us want to buy their brands, what's the problem with that. We are basically experiencing at this moment the part of the population that has woken up from the Matrix and is really appalled at how we've been used by corporations, and those who haven't been woken up yet, but say so what to the idea of being used, they don't actually comprehend the dangers of it.

Yes propaganda, and ultimately persuasion, is much more ancient than advertising, and much more ancient than Lenin, or Hitler. The problem is that it has become so professional and reckless into effortlessly brainwashing masses into believing they are walking in a heavenly resort while blindly thei are walking into the line of fire. Persuasion is absolutely one of the most ancient human's traits into getting what one wants from others, but it is just so genial and scientific into doing it today, that has become so very dangerous. The dangers are the fact that because of how blind the media has made us to things like Climate change, dangerous wars, poverty and starvation in third world countries, wage-slavery in places like China etc., and so many more dangers that are bigger to humans and our earth than they ever were. The film was very metaphoric and it didn't needs to be constant in its story telling, or even literal. Every point of the film was prominent into telling the progress of our society into this information-persuasion overly-packaged world, and with a very cathartic image of a billboardless town, giving also the idea of a brain much more free to create its own desires, its own wants, much more free to truly think.

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The film isn't nominated for an Oscar because its awful. I for one like statement movies but this one lacked focus, they wasted Max Von Sydow and overall the acting was bad. The production is pretty crappy as well.
Just because it says something about advertisement that you believe in doesn't make the movie Oscar worthy.

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I'm pretty sure that the criteria for Oscar winners is not whether or not a film speaks truth but how well it was put together, acted, etc.

On another note, this film doesn't expose any truth. Sorry to say. Over-branding and rampant capitalism are the flip side of a bad penny, the other side being socialist regulation. Neither work on their own.

Espousing the debranding of the world is a very silly concept in the glaring light of day. Yes, some people are obsessed with brands and are, as you say, "castrated lambs", but you insult those of us (and yourself) who can think for themselves and resist marketing brandwashing. To think that a government organization is any better suited to regulate consumption is ludicrous.

Bam said the lady.

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I think the message was said clearly in the movie and it's not that at all.

It wasn't necessarily about capitalism nor socialism. It is questioning who we are, really. It's saying that people haven't developed their own tastes of anything. I read in an interview that part of the inspiration for some of the events was one of the writer's own son. He always wanted to go to McDonald's because they had a toy he'd seen advertised. He didn't like the food. But after a couple of years of making him eat the food because he spent money to give the kid the toy he wanted, he began liking the food. Would his kid have grown to like McDonald's some other way? It's possible but the likelihood, depending on the food normally served to the child by the writer, would be low. So the movie is asking are we really us at all? What ideas are our own and what ideas are the biproduct of mass advertisement? Why do we like certain things?

To quote Fight Club "Things you own end up owning you." That's more or less what the movie was about, not the evils of corporate greed. That's just a symptom of what's going on in the movie.

There's also hints of Illuminati as well (bathing in ashes of the Red Heifer) to see things others can't is a Hebrew myth/legend/religious reference.

So, again, it's not so much about the surface, it's more or less asking questions about what that surface hides underneath. It's not trying to be revelation at all, it's asking you to have a revelation of yourself.

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Well, I grew up enjoying classic '90s cartoons and Nintendo games. What got me into them? Some of it was playing/watching them at a friend's house. Some of it was admittedly advertisements, too, though. But I don't think we're all controlled and automatically suckered into liking it the second we purchase it and/or watch it. I admit, a lot of the shows and games were every bit as fun as they had looked, and the advertisements indeed made me want more. But other games/shows that grabbed my attention ended up being extremely lousy, and I pretty much never want back to them. Some I completely hated, and didn't see what all the fuss was about, because it simply wasn't my cup of tea. And I know a handful of people that feel the same way. For instance, while Pokemon may have been all the rage in the '90s, I still know a lot of people that absoultely HATED it, and while I never hated it, I never cared for it either. So it's also about state of mind. So I'll admit that while advertisements may influence what we like now, and what we liked as a kid (a lot of which we STILL like to this day), they don't COMPLETELY control it, as we can still choose what we like or don't like. Sure, they may try to sell toys related to the series we enjoy/enjoyed, but once again, it's our choice to do so or not. It may be more tempting if it's a series we love, but again, it's our choice in the long run.

As for food, I've enjoyed lots of food, corporation/chain restaurant and otherwise that I didn't even have to see any ads for in order to love. As long as their food is good, and their service is friendly, I'm more than willing to give them my business. But if they're going to have poor quality food, and/or not care about their customers, then they're sure as hell not going to get my business! And pretty much all the places I love do indeed provide very friendly service, some even willing to give a gift card or a free meal, depending on how poor your experience was.

So yes. I'll admit that corporations may have an influence on many of the things we love, but they don't completely control them. It's also true that some corporations are greedy as hell, and could care less about their customers, as long as they're getting enough business to keep filling their pockets. But that doesn't necessarily mean ALL corporations are that way.


Just my two cents.

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then they're sure as hell not going to get my business!

You're buying into an outdated paradigm of capitalism. Today's corporations don't care whether you, personally, take your business elsewhere, since they have millions of customers besides you. This is why they give us phone trees and automated people and treat us terribly...because they can. Your little boycott won't hurt them. The only things corporations respect are: 1) competition; 2) regulation; 3)large lawsuits; and 4)bad press. They are not afraid of losing the business of Randall P. Bomer from Idaho, for example. Plus, where else are you going to turn? The increasing concentration of corporations have given us few alternatives, and many of them combine or have unspoken agreements to keep prices at a certain fixed level. If you don't like Comcast, go with ATT, or Dish, and see if you can tell the real difference between them.

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cant agree more simply brilliant
but its so obvious that the homeland the USA, of brands will ignore it.

that kind of movies terrifying them because the are so true.

just remember the legal fight against the tobacco company's.

we are the slaves to the will of brands.



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Totally... this is such an honest movie... every user who rated this movie bad has a bubble at his/her neck.

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This is one of those movies that frustrates me, thinking, why doesn't everyone care. Why do people dismiss the reality in which we live in. I empathize with Misha after the red cow sacrifice. He can see things others can't and doesn't know how to convey how important his findings are.

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Because not everyone CAN be awakened. Societal systems would collapse and with that, anarchy would occur. People would starve and others would kill them to NOT starve etc etc. Would you prefer that? How would YOU manage 8 billion people?

I don't agree (AT ALL) with our current structure, but there are far many more people that can't think on their own to manage life without "the system"

Personally, I care a GREAT DEAL, and have avoided ALL "News" and advertisements as much as possible for the last decade - a real eye opener. BUT, I know most others cannot deal with that kind of world communication avoidance - having been trained to believe it is required.

UNFORTUNATELY, this movie does a very poor job of selling this idea in a packaged story form. I really wish they had done better, because what I saw in the TRAILER worked perfect. Maybe they could RE-EDIT the core of this movie to match the trailer (same exact premis) to sell better to the masses.

Hollyweird is most successful at making sellable movies because they have narrowed down the requirements of the people - to get the interest, thus money out of their pockets. It is kinda obvious this movie was made in Russia or someplace and didn't follow the formula for success. The TRAILER did follow the formula, but was false advertising for the movie: "Here's a Coke, the trailer said.... oh wait, THIS is really 7-up." Not even close. What the... ????

Producers, watch the trailer, use it as a guide to RE-EDIT this movie, keep the same underlying idea, drop the pointless subplots that only disjoint the main idea, and re-release this movie on Disc. Call it the directors cut. Oh, and drop all Narroration.... That is instant death to most movies. "SHOW US, don't TELL us" is the first thing learned in screenwriting.

Heck, I might re-edit this myself and see what I can come up with. :)

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Capitalism and Anarchy are not the only system solution. I'm a socialist.


On another note, I think the film did a very good job. It wasn't packaged in the same way most Hollywood films are. It is much more European, after all half of it was made by a Russian. I didn't just love the message of the film, in fact I am not pro breaking down the system, I am for revolution in people's heads, in a peaceful gradual manner. But I loved how the film was edited, its cinematography, the acting, the link between Russia and Stalin and the modern capitalist world, but also the metaphores used throughout the film in the insight in the magic world after the red cow sacrifice, and the God of advertising if I may call him so. It was to me a very brilliant artistic film as much as political. I prefer European and Asian films for a reason, because storytelling doesn't have a formula like Hollywood films have. It was just like watching Goodbye Lenin in a very Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus kind of fantastic world, and mostly it was original. It made interesting connections, it conveyed interesting ideas. I guess it is personal, but I am tired of films like Argo and Lincoln that US continues to love. I prefer a films like Matrix and Cloud Atlas and The Fountain, and you probably won't agree with me, but I did think that this film was in the same category as the above mentioned.

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I do love Matrix and Fountain, I felt Cloud Atlas missed but it was really well done. Argo and Lincoln are made to make money: follow the system, deliver what is expected to make bank... we can't deny people like a certain structure and quality in a movie to be "successful" or bring in money.

I would have LOVED this flick if it were as tight as Matrix, Fountain and Cloud Atlas. Those 3 did follow the hollywood formula, were somewhat successful, and devlivered something non-standard.

Everyone is different and allowed to enjoy different things. :) It's all good.

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Yes, it is true what you are saying, everyone is different, and enjoys different things. I would just prefer if good movies, instead of box office movies, would get the Oscars, and the critical acclaim. But lately critics seem to follow the money instead. There was a time that the most peculiar and original of films got critic's attention. But now the critics go with the flow of the general public and decide what they like, in regard to which film made more money. It deeply saddens me.

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not being a conspiracy theorist at all, but wouldn't be surprised that the voters/whoever LITERALLY follow the money. there is payola in EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING! Even our life granting governments are bought... why not something less trivial like voters etc.

Now, I have not seen Lincoln since the premis simply bores me - not my bag - but knowing Spielberg and his past history, it probably IS a really, really good movie worthy of awards. He always has story, acting, heart in his flicks.

I definitely agree that it would be great to see much better films getting awards, but it is just Hollywood patting itself and its own on the back. So whatever.

Would have loved to see BRANDED "reach" more people.... then again, even if it did, the masses probably would still not understand it. :D

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In any generation the greatest works, or the most important truths are unreached by the masses. That is bound to happen.

My great despair is in the loss of critics to money as well. Not that I ever really liked critics. They are inclined to judge rather than to like something, so regarding their feelings, they immediately toss the work away, but at least there was a time that they didn't base their judgement on the money. Now even to critics, all is about what's popular.

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This is one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. Viewers who have any experience or interest in advertising, marketing, branding, consumer psychology, cognitive science, influence, persuasion, or other related areas should especially enjoy this masterpiece.

"Mistakes make exceptional possible.... Sometimes the wrong path leads to the right path."

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