The Cheating!


The movie is good in some ways, such as the intensity of Carmen's sickness(this is the scariest part in the movie to me). The best part of the movie to me is the optimism Carmen shows during the process of chemotherapy, and how she faces her own death.
But there is something about the movie that I really had a hard time accepting. How can he cheat on his wife like that?! It is weird enough that Carmen decides to forgive Stijn when she finds out that he is cheating on her in the early stage of their marriage and accept it as a part of who he is. I will never be able to forgive my husband like that. Thus, with such a forgiving wife, shouldn't that man be grateful somehow? Instead, he continues to sleep with other women, and he even falls in love with Rose when his wife is getting sicker by the minute.
What happened to the oath they took when they got married?

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Marriage has no real meaning in most modern countries, other than throwing a big party. So that part is not an issue. Still, it doesn't make it acceptable for Stijn to cheat around the way he did. There was something about his behaviour that I just couldn't understand.

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Have you guys thought for a moment that may be he is just trying hard to cope with the situation, in his own (perverted) ways?

Wisdom does not come with maturity or age. It comes with experience.

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I think the movie makes some careful points about why Stijn cheats, and the novel even more so. The emotions involved in it are quite complex.

In the beginning, Stijn explains that he is incapable of monogamy, because he simply loves women too much. It is his character flaw: where other men pick their noses, he simply cheats. He has a sort-of silent agreement with Carmen about this; she seems semi-okay with his extra-marital affairs, as long as she doesn't find out about them. The 'oath' they took at their marriage is more of a formality, lots of couples with an open relation make it without the intention of sticking to it.

Later on, it turns out that Carmen has cancer and may die. She is the patient, who demands and receives all the attention. Stijn feels miserable about this; it is something he is also confronted with, without ever having asked for it. His life changes just as abruptly as Carmen's, so he is just as much a victim of the cancer as she is. He goes through a similar process of grief and sorrow, but instead of fear of death, he lives with the fear of losing his wife and having to go on without her one day. Stijn looks for recognition of these feelings and emotions, but people around him seem to think that he should not complain, since he is not the one who is dying. Roos satisfies his sexual needs, but more importantly, she understands what HE is going through because she doesn't know Carmen. Also, around Roos, Stijn can feel like himself again, and not like the partner of a cancer patient (so technically, Roos is also Stijn's escape from a reality he refuses to accept).

Another factor which Stijn himself mentions is that Carmen has become a different person since she knows she has cancer and may die. Stijn has come to love her for who she used to be, and that person seems to disappear more and more every day: she even blames him for trying to have fun, which was never a problem before, just as cheating was never a big issue (provided she never learnt of it). Now that she is sick, she has become moody and possessive. Had she changed this much without getting sick, he would probably have left her as well; she no longer displays the traits that made him fall in love in the first place. So basically, the cancer itself has little to do with Stijn's changed feelings for his wife, it is what the cancer does to Carmen. This seems apparent when Stijn rediscovers the love for his wife when Carmen finds her herself and her lust for life again.

Although Stijn cannot be completely absolved of all blame, the movie does offer some insights into his reasons for cheating (the acceptance of which are, of course, very personal for each viewer). He never seems to do it out of malice, ill will or with the intention of hurting someone. I think I could forgive my partner if she had cheated because I had not treated her right, ignored her, or was never around.

Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony - Morpheus

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An absolutely superb (and compact!) discourse on the main themes of the movie! I can really think of nothing to add. Well done, and thank you!

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I don't think there are any winners in a situation like this - no-one in that setup can really help how they feel.
But...they can help how they behave, and Stijn reverting to being a 13-year-old boy in a 30-something man with access to sex and affairs is not the way to behave - no matter how understandably messed-up he might feel.
It shows nothing but disrespect to a woman who is probably going through a hell he can never imagine, and that made me feel just as screwed up as the scenes of Carmen's illness. That's no relationship. Frankly, I don't think it ever was.

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The dude only made up the story to get more girls(when he wrote the book).The movie was just a bonus.

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