WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND


How could they be so broke? Didn't he receive a salary from the church and didn't they save any of it?

I understand it might be hard for him to find a regular job, but why couldn't his wife work? How about the two teenage boys taking part time jobs and helping out the family?

Okay, the church has turned their back on him, why don't they have family they can go to? Don't they also have grown children who live separately from them? Why couldn't they stay with some of their adult children?

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Here is what I figured.

Most people rent/buy a home/apartment, etc. Why they couldn't just find somewhere to settle roots for awhile, I don't know. Why they needed to take advantage of the generosity of people who let them come live in their homes (ie 4 months with one nice family) I don't really get. Anyway.. when you are staying in motels/hotels, driving a lot (a car AND a uhaul - uhauls are expensive.. especially if they kept it for several months constantly), dining out as most people who are staying hotels do... yeah, I can see where he could blow a lot of money. He apparently was making on average $140k a year? That probably wasn't what his severage package included - while a year, sure.. that $140k wasn't just from working at his church as pastor, but for all the other gigs he got across the country - so I'm sure what they paid him was less. He still made more than the average American, even from the church - I'm almost sure of that one. He did have a church of 14,000.. thats a big flock to care for. I can't imagine being the "leader" of 14 people. Hehe.

My two cents.. though I probably wouldn't give him any.

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Thanks SugarGhost

I just looked this up on Wikipedia:

Following Haggard's request for donations, a member of Haggard's restoration team said he should have consulted with them before releasing a statement. News media pointed to his reported income: in 2006, he received $115,000 for the 10 months he worked and also received an $85,000 anniversary bonus shortly before the scandal broke; after the scandal broke, the board of trustees of New Life Church agreed to give him a $138,000 severance. Additionally, the Haggards have a home in Colorado Springs, Colorado that is valued at more than $700,000 and Haggard still receives royalties from books he has authored


If this is true, I'm thinking his cries of poverty are totally bogus. And he's just setting himself up for the next career where he accepts donations from all the people who feel sorry for him.

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They didn't sell the house in Colorado Springs, they held on to it in hopes that they would eventually be able to return, which they did. I personally think that after all had happened, and even though he was honest and upfront about it (ahem.. after someone else blabbed it) and lost so much support anyway - he should have sold his house, and moved his family somewhere else and started a new life. Why dwell on all that? Why go back to a place where you have such memories? Good and bad. The good could easily lead to the bad memories for him because so much of his life ended up being a lie (preaching, and not practicing the same thing he preached). You got to know when to fold up and go home, and for him that would mean finding a new one, especially for his wife and kids. I feel that if he really wanted their best interest (which he obviously couldn't have if he could cheat on his wife, whether with a man or woman - and now with the allegations of things with children - and if thats true, he needs to hang by the balls) he would have moved them out and started anew.

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He most likely stayed because the meth was better in Colorado. I dunno, but def travelling like really causes you to spend a lot of money. Plus, he was also going to the university of pheonix and i don't think that is that cheap. One thing I do not get and find some what amusing, is if this guy were Episcopal and this happened, he'd prolly be promoted to bishop and get free trips to england. the people from his church are nuts, but at least they stick to their guns (no pun intended) You know where they stand.

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Yes. He held onto his old life for some reason. Trust me...it takes awhile to clue when you can't get work in your field. I guess all he knows is Bible College stuff--it doesn't translate to anything in the real world and when your 'notorious'...well, it probably makes it more difficult to say the least.

He kept one big toe stuck in his old life. He empowered the church out of a sense of guilt and perhaps a misguided duty to 'confess' and be forgiven maybe some day. However, no organization has the right to tell you where to live. They can't legally tell you that you can't live in Colorado. If you let them, then you've made another mistake.

He's trying...but somebody else said it on another thread...you can't have it both ways. One dilemma is the Christian idea that homosexuality is a sin. If you subscribe to that--and you're a homosexual--your going to set yourself up for some terrible guilt trips for nothing.

Somebody else asked why doesn't his wife work? Why not? She might be able to get a job faster? Maybe its a Christian evangelical thing....I don't know. The man's supposed to work and the woman is supposed to keep house. It might be time to get rid of that Christian ideal too.

I think he was on the right path to becoming a counsellor. Lots of counsellors are former addicts and criminals who turned things around for themselves. Unfortunately, it didn't seem to work out too good since the media is following his every move.

Poor guy and his family...I feel terribly sorry for him. Do you know how hard it is to ask for help? Its hard. Hard hard hard. Any one of his friends might have given him a job--even if it was on the loading docks.

I don't know. I just don't feel that the punishment is fitting the crime right now. He's probably getting death threats on a regular basis. And there's a dark allegation on here. That's the way things start--some loudmouth making something else up about him.

I think the last place he should go is to try to go back to his old city. But then again, when you're notorious the world over--where would be a good place to live?

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