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"He took away my life... It's murder!"


When Aurora said that, I'd have replied by asking her whether she considers indefinite solitary confinement to be torture? If yes then Jim is a victim who endured a year of torture before breaking. She's bullying the victim. It's the ship owner that's to blame

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If you'd ask me what Aurora would say if you asked her if she considers indefinite solitary confinement to be torture. My reply would she'd probably say sure it is torture, but that doesn't give anyone the right to kidnap someone else and ensure they died a lingering lonely death too.

Also cut the bull about her bullying 'the victim' she is the victim between her and Jim with regard to him deciding to wake her up, decades before she was supposed to and in a situation she had no choice to live in his vicinity. He didn't have to do it, especially considering you argument solitary confinement doesn't technically hold water. Jim wasn't alone. He had the robot barman. It might not have been enough for him but Jim wasn't alone.

With regard to the company. It is guilty about not putting fail safes in with regard to restarting the pods if people woke up early so sure it is responsible for Jim. But Jim interfering with Aurora's pod is all him baby, it was all him.

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It can be argued over whether and what kind of crime it was morally, but I don't understand "murder". Kidnapping, maybe? But not murder. She's still alive!

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She would have lived for hundreds of years more if she hadn't been woken up. It's like if normal human lifespan is 80 years and someone reduced yours into 8 years. Not technically murder, but yeah, almost.

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You're counting non-conscious time in a pod as "living"?

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actionkamen seems to be counting asleep time, but even so he definately deprived her of her 30 or 40 years living on a new planet , and replaced it with "the ship , and him" . I'd say its closer to murder than kidnapping.

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You contradict yourself. Let's say you were moving to, say, Japan, and you decided to sail there. I'm a pirate and I take you off your sailboat and take you to my private island instead. You are free to move about the island, but you can never leave, and you will never get to live that life in Japan you were planning on. Do you seriously think that's closer to murder than kidnapping? It's almost the textbook definition of kidnapping, or unlawful imprisonment. It's not murder. At all.

BTW, not that it matters to the debate, but just FTR: she was only going to spend one year on the new planet and then go back to New York.

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i guess this debate is all about literal and metaphorical "stolen lives"
The island near Japan sounds nice.
That Fritzel guy imprisoned his daughter in a basement cave and raped and abused her for decades - that sounds like a fate worse than death . but technically he didnt murder her. I'd say a fate-worse-than-death is closer to murder than redirecting someones life into a smallish space they didnt ask for.
Wether a giant empty spaceship with a robot barman is your idea of heaven or hell probably comes down to the individual.
If she couldnt handle it and suicided a few months after being rudely awakened - was it murder then?

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No, it’s kidnapping that spurred suicide.

Being locked in a basement cave and raped is really awful. Her fate here, to live in a luxury suite on a cruise ship for the rest of her life with access to entertainment and any book she wants to read, is quite different.

Personally, I suspect I would choose that (including making peace with the other person for the sake of having someone to talk to, even if it didn’t develop into an intimate relationship) over spending a year in prison followed by full release and a normal life. You would have to get the prison time pretty short before I would take that instead.

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She's a social being that wanted to wake up with scores of other humans not just one male which is how she got screwed over by jim. Jim was screwed over cause his cryotube what ever malfunctioned. She was crewed over either way you look at it.


(including making peace with the other person for the sake of having someone to talk to, even if it didn’t develop into an intimate relationship)


But of course when only one other human is around them becoming your intimate partner is Inevitable.

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Definitely not murder,if only by the definition of the word. Abduction, maybe even imprisoned,but not murdered.

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Both were victums but only jim was guilty.

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That's like "I was abused, that's why I kill people and wear their faces like masks." The guy who's face is now a mask probably didn't care about the killer's shitty childhood.

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Maybe "murder" is a bit imprecise but I think it's pretty spot-on. Jim robbed her of the best years of her life to fritter away on a cruise ship that will never arrive at its destination in her lifetime. Definitely was not in her plans and gave her no choice. He somewhat redeemed himself at the end when he offered the medical cryopod. I would've taken it in a hot minute and peaced out; what he did was invasive and creepy.

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He didn't know it at the time, but by waking her he saved everyone on the ship. There is no way he could have fixed the damage solo. So, she would have been dead for real if he hadn't. By waking her he saved her life - instead of murdering her. I'm sure she realized this later on when she chose to stay with him - awake. Of course when she said "It's murder" she didn't know by her being awake it would lead to everyone on board being saved.

It was a bit of a stretch to say there was only one of the autodoc things though. For 5000 people wouldn't they leave some on the planet?

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I think that's what's great about the movie: we can understand why somebody would break and wake up another person, but we can also understand why that person would be mortified and angry.

I enjoyed the movie a lot more than most people did, and this is one of the reasons.

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