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A man should never put a woman before his highest purpose in life


This was a great movie, it's a great depiction of why a man should focus on his mission in life instead of chasing pu55y. Gatsby built up an empire when he was focused on his mission, he even admitted that it all ended when he fell in love with daisy.

Moral of the story is dont let women interfere with your highest goals and purpose.

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That's a loaded thought. Your phrasing is a little off; I wouldn't refer to women that way, they are beautiful. But as to the substance of what you said I can only respond based on personal experience. I went in the opposite direction. I chose my mission in life over the woman I loved and was supposed to marry. Although I accomplished what I set out to do, I never stopped regretting it and I still regret it to this day. I did see her again years later, but it wasn't the same. Was she really a dream not based in reality, like Daisy? Something that I built up during all our years apart that I imagined and created her in such a way where she was not as perfect as I built her up to be, literally, in my own dreams? Did she change during all those years change and become someone else entirely than who she was when we were together? Would we have grown together and changed in the same direction, in a good way, if we never separated? I don't know. I'll never know.
For those who believe in true love, they would disagree with you. I don't know if I believe in true love anymore. Gatsby seemed to believe that Daisy and love was the ultimate mission in life and life's purpose, so for someone like Gatsby love and mission in life are one and the same. Many would agree with him.
I think it comes down to whether you believe a perfect love exists. I don't think I do. I think love is imperfect, and you do the best you can to adjust and to adapt to your own imperfections and the person whom you love and their imperfections. If you don't believe in true love, then Gatsby's purpose and what he did was a fool's errand, which seems to be some of what Fitzgerald was implying.
My reply, I'll admit, does not provide the best analysis or reasoning. It's a very difficult question/thought, and one I've tried to spend years avoiding, so my thoughts on this have faded over the years.

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Did she change during all those years change and become someone else entirely than who she was when we were together?


To me this was the crux of Gatsby's tragic flaw. He never really looked at Daisy Buchanan as the East Egg society woman with a young daughter to be bred in the same manners; Daisy to Gatsby would always be the 17 year old airy fairy Daisy Fay living in the splendorous Kentucky estate. Were Daisy & Gatsby somehow able to weather the media scandal and find their way into a life at his house, there would still be the question of where her daughter Pammy would fit into the fantasy (in the book Gatsby's resolve is deeply shaken once he sees the child for the first time). Surely Daisy was shallow but I'd like to think she wouldn't just up and leave her daughter to be raised by nannies while Tom could take every opportunity to poison Pammy's little mind against her mother's abandonment.

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You posted the same question I wondered about. Her daughter. Where did Daisy's daughter fit into this.

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you are right. only such people succeed. people who lost their heart for a pretty woman end up hurt and ruin everything. It is just hard to overcome the pain both mentally and psychologically.

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This film was a bad case of oneitis. Very blue pill.

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Gatsby's just a massive chode.

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What mission did Gatsby have? To be rich? What through hard work? NOPE.

This book and it's film weren't about love. It wasn't about a guy falling for a girl.

It was about all us little people in the USA running after the American Dream (i.e. Daisy) with no hope of ever achieving it.

But Gatsby wanted more, he wanted the impossible....to be Mayflower blue blood. The irony was he was running after the wrong Buchanan. Daisy was a complete hick. Tom was the one with the connections. Another funny note, Gatsby could have had a hundred old name girls from bankrupt families on the East Coast or even from England PLUS they wouldn't have cared WHERE the money came from. But he had it in his head that Daisy was the real deal and no one could dissuade him from it.

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Gatsby did not live in reality; he lived in a fantasy world, or as Nick put it, in the past. He did want to achieve the dream, and that dream was to have Daisy, and hope that with his new found wealth, that they could just pick up where they left off five years before.

That of course, was impossible.

Daisy couldn't just drop everything to be with him. For one, she had moved on; she was married and had a child. But that harsh reality was something Gatsby could not face, even when it was right in front of him. The scene in the film where he pressures her to tell Tom is an example of this. While Daisy did attempt to declare what he wanted her to, she couldn't go through with it because it wasn't true. There's nothing to indicate in the novel either that Daisy told Gatsby that she had never loved Tom. That was what Gatsby imagined, what he wanted to be true. Whatever Daisy's feelings were for Gatsby, she was never the "ideal" woman that he made her out to be his in his mind, he simply projected his fantasy on to her, and saw her through rose-colored glasses, which was really not her fault, as Daisy never really pretended to be anything or anyone she was not. Daisy was also trapped in the world she was born into, the high society mind-set. I do have some sympathy for her in that regard, as vapid and shallow as she is, and that's another good point. She's pitiable because she really has no clue how empty her life really is.

When people say how Gatsby's love for Daisy was "perfect", I have to disagree. He didn't see or love the real Daisy, but an image of her he had in his mind. If somehow they had ended up together, how long would that fantasy have lasted? Would he have become disillusioned when and if he finally saw the real Daisy?

There's nothing wrong with having dreams and goals, but don't let fantasy and impossible standards take over your life. The reality rarely (if ever) lives up to th fantasy.

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