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Elias was adorable (why did everyone hate him?)


I have noticed many people around the net who reviewed this film noted how sweet Elias was and I agree. He was such an adorable kid and I think you really feel for him being bullied and all. At first it's like Christian is his "savior" but later on it's almost like Christian is his personal bully as well. That whole thing about demanding the knife back and are you with me and all that -- their "friendship" was always on Christian's terms. Elias just put up with all the garbage so meekly. The only time you get a glimpse into his frustration is when he tells his mother that he hates her. She knew what he was going through at school, even called Sofus a "sadistic psychopath" but when it came to the idea that she might have to move Elias from that school she was kind of whiny in the whole "it wouldn't be fair". (Is that a good translation for what she actually said, BTW?)
Way to go, Mom!

I got this sense of "oh crap this kid Christian is soo going to get me in trouble but at least he's paying attention to me and not kicking the crap out of me".

Also on the subject of Elias, when Christian is first introduced to the class and they find he has Elias's birthday, the whole class makes a lot of noise. It's almost like EVERYONE HATES ELIAS. What the heck is that all about?

And finally a question: what did Sofus throw in Elias's face that made him to go the bathroom to clean up (which led up to the Christian/Sofus attack)?


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I also thought Elias was adorable. But, no matter how cute or nice a kid is, there will unfortunately always be other kids around to bully them (and if there's no reason to bully them, the bullies will find a reason). It could be simply because he wore a retainer. Who knows. I only know I wanted kick that Sofus in the nuts!

Elias was sweet, loved his family, seemed to have a good relationship with his parents; however, he seemed to be a follower, not a leader. Christian was the kind of kid that a shyer, bullied kid would look up to, and eventually try to emulate. It was gut-wrenching to see how sad Elias was when Christian didn't want to be friends anymore, before he finally agreed to participate in the bombing. I don't think he would have helped Christian, if he hadn't felt that he wouldn't lose his only friend if he didn't agree.

The culture in Scandinavia seems really different than in the US. It was made clear that the whole blowing-up-the-van thing was seen as 'extreme vandalism', and was going to be handled by social workers, and not in a court of law, as it would here in the sue-happy USA. Even the principal and teachers/guidance counselors had a totally different attitude than the same people would have at a school in the US. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but radically different.

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Excellent point, Katrina. It is hard as an American to understand how the Danes view the events in this film and how things would be handled there.

I was pretty amazed when Christian went all out on Sofus. I can't say I didn't feel a sort of vindication, though why does it always have to come to that where the little guy is pushed into a corner? And then HE is the one told he's wrong when in the end it is a self defense mode. Like Elias says, Sofus will learn not to attack people now that this happened. The look on the officer's face was so strange, I couldn't figure out what he was thinking when Elias said that. Looked like he didn't believe him or a sort of "ha ha, these crazy kids, they're just precious aren't they..."

And why is a retainer so terrible? Geez Louise. They called him "rat face" but logically Christian even says he didn't notice because he doesn't stare into people's mouths. Sofus wanted to make a kid's life hard just because his teeth weren't straight. What a crime!


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The age of criminal responsibility in Denmark is 15, so quite different to USA I would guess and certainly the UK. I agree it's interesting to see the different attitudes, I can't imagine after setting off a car bomb that Christian would have been allowed home that night in the UK.

Very much agree with what you say about Elias going along with what he knew was wrong to hold onto his friendship with Christian, that was so sad. I doubt everyone did hate Elias btw, just that they were scared of being targeted if they spoke to him, much like Elias had betrayed his principles in order to be accepted by Christian.

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Elias was weak. The end.
His face, his teeth... It's all an excuse. He was alone and defenseless. That makes him a perfect target.
And kids know who's the weakest link. So they all pile on because they don't want to be on the bottom.

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And that's what makes kids sometimes just complete a-holes. I doubt any of us hasn't witnessed or known SOME kid who was just an *beep* for the sake of being one.


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- Retainer
- Foreign dad
- Relatively small
- Didn't fight back
- No friends who stood up for him (before Christian arrived)

-> perfect target for bullies.


When I'm gone I would like something to be named after me. A psychiatric disorder, for example.

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Elias was cute, but his (bad) teeth/overbite was "different"-looking enough, to warrant ridicule from other kids.

Plus, like others have touched on here: he was insecure-acting. That's a total red flag.

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And he was feeling sad, anxious and insecure because his father was never around. Other kids pick up on that. The teeth/retainer was just a focal point that the bully picked, not the reason he picked on Elias in the first place. It was because Elias was insecure, had low self-esteem, felt alone and abandoned by his father, etc. If there was a kid who felt that way who didn't have slightly bad teeth & a Swedish dad, Sofus would have picked something else about that kid to pick on.

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He was adorable indeed !!! great actor too !

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Often people will bully someone they are jealous of. The bullied person doesn't have to have anything wrong with them. It's so hard to be bullied, but the one with the problems are the bullies.

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Polexia: (continuing this thread three years later ...)

I think part of the message of the film is exactly that: there is no real reason for Elias to be bullied, except xenophobia. A parallel is continually drawn between what's happening with his dad in Africa. In school, Elias's "Swedishness" appears to be his major flaw. Absurd, we might say - but it helps point out how what's happening in the African village is absurd as well, where pregnant women are victims of a horribly twisted game.

But in the real world, it turns out this isn't all that absurd. I've been involved in international translation for many years, and the divisions that people make even within a culture are often just as absurd. We could not, e.g., have a Croat translate for a Serb, even though they use basically the same language (with slight variations in grammar and pronunciation, as in American vs British English). French Canadians do not want to hear translation by a native of France, and vice versa. Spaniards balk at having to listen to a Central or South American translator, etc. etc. etc. And this is within business or spiritual communities where one would think people would want to find common ground!

I just saw this film for the first time tonight, and haven't digested it fully, but I don't think there are throwaways in it - everything has a purpose, down to the spider web Anton sees early on, to the way the African boys are war-playing with sticks at the very end. It's not an easy film and definitely not a feel-good one. So the whole bullying thing is universalized by pointing out its weakest aspects.

As for the encounter with Sofus - I just looked at it in slow motion, and it simply appears to be a slice of white bread that Sofus crushes (not throws) into Elias's face. It's definitely something very white and square - I thought it might be dirty handkerchief, but it's too neat even for that. Hope this helps ... if anyone else has another take, I'd be happy to hear it.

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Spot on lamoza !

The bullying and subsequent responses to it are the focal point of the whole film . The film is a commentary on our world today. Hence the dual locations ( Denmark & Africa) which is a common theme in most of Susanne Bier's films ( see "Brothers" & "After The Wedding" also) where the same conflicts are seen as universal even under different settings. You can bully others to create all degrees conflict ( the mechanic Lars, and Sofus at school, and the "big man' in Africa) . You can fight back or surrender to the bully ( the reactions of Elias, Christian & dad - Anton). Turn the other cheek or fight back ? The right answer is searched for , and encompasses eventual standing up for yourself and what is right but with forgiveness in your heart......for a Better World !

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