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Usual Conservative Claptrap Lies + Distortion


Naughton lie: He was not obese, but 28.9 BMI, close, but overweight, I guessed 28.5 BMI before he told his height/weight. He showed MORBIDLY obsese people to declare there is no epidemic of obseity. Second distortion: quibbling about Spurlock methodology is irrelevant, if it would had taken 2 months rather than one to gain 25 pounds? 3rd distortion: Glossing over the fact people eat out too much with too many fast food restaurants around then at the same time defend that situation as being the good free market. Reason fast food has got so cheap is because wages have declined in real terms and food has got cheaper. 4th distortion: Mentioned and then glossed over is that HFCS is deadly for obseity and diet soda is lousty.

I missed a couple things and only got through 40 minutes. Conservatives are unfunny and irritating because they always have their conclusion to go and bash their targets while liberals are out to discover things and consider the merits. It's the difference between propaganda and a bias.

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See my previous post. You didn't understand the point. What conservative has to do with this I have no idea.

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His pre-diet BMI wasn't 28.9...it was 31.2, which falls into the obese category, as he said. His post-diet BMI was 28.2.

Check out the screenshot from the end of the movie:
http://thebluesite.com/images/fathead_bmi.JPG


He showed morbidly obese people to make the point that the media, when they declare "obesity" epidemic, want you to think that it's massive people that he said he had to spend an hour recording just to get the short clip he was able to get...which means most people have the wrong idea, thanks to the "experts" and the media hysteria. Few would look at him, horrified at his "obesity," but his BMI puts him directly into the obesity category. The point was also to attack BMI, which is a fairly new method used.

How are Spurlock's methods irrelevant? He made several claims that couldn't have been possible. He had to have exaggerated a number of claims as well, and that serves no one in the end.

He doesn't gloss over the fact that people eat out too much. He mentions it many times. He mentions that women used to, statistically, stay home and cook meals...now, according to all data we have, women work and no one is home to cook dinner, so we eat out more. But the food isn't killing us as Spurlock and others would have you believe.

The fact that his indicators improved across the board prove Spurlock's main claims bogus. Food pricea have been on the rise for years, in fact. Besides- the point was, people should be free to choose as they wish. It's not the place of an expert or bureaucrat to tell you what to eat or not eat, especially considering that half the official govt guidelines are so misguided, and in some cases, flat out deceptive.

You seem to have missed the point on several of these items, and you're just plan wrong on the BMI. I haven't studied the science mentioned in the movie yet, but it sounds credible, and nothing seems to have been fudged here on the surface. He set out to do something and he did it...he did the opposite of what Spurlock did, he showed some flaws in Spurlock's methods, and he included an entire second act that had almost nothing to do with Spurlock or Super Size Me. Conservative, liberal libertarian, whatever...I don't see the complaint.







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I have studied the science as much as my background allows and the conclusion usually comes to "we just don't know," but the concept that eating cholesterol causes cholesterol buildup in the arteries seems to be taking statistical hits every year.

Personally I've found I'm healthier after ditching the government recommendations and eliminating large amounts of grains from my diet. I also keep the fats down because they contain a lot of calories, and I work a desk where I don't burn them off. Most of my diet comes from lean protein, fruits, and vegetables. I'm not sure why people talk about eliminating processed foods but don't include grains which didn't exist in large quantities in the human diet until relatively recent farming technology made it possible.

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BMI isn't what's shown on the screenshot though.
BMI is NOT percentage of fat in the body, it's just a simple math-calculation:

weight (in metric kilogram)
----------------------------------- = BMI
height * height (in meters)

He says in the beginning of the movie that he is 5 foot 11 inches and has a weight of 206 pounds.

Using the BMI-calculator located here:
http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

It shows that he had an BMI of 28.7 which is not, even according to the BMI-scale, obese at all actually but instead overweight.

These numbers might be wrong though since I don't know if the calculator are using the same definition of "pound" as is used in the movie, but that's what you got to live with when some countries still keeps ignoring the metric-system.

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If being a conservative means thinking for yourself and not believing everything the so-called "experts" tell us, then the world needs more conservatives and less sheep. He doesn't endorse nor condemn fast food, his message is that it is your choice and no one else's business what you should and should not eat. Furthermore as long as you get up off your ass and exercise you can maintain a healthy weight.

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I watched the film and didn't see any lies... He ate 3 portion controlled meals a day that were high in protein, low in starches, did not snack between meals, exercised moderately 6 days a week and LOST WEIGHT. His over-all health improved as well (according to his Doctor). Wether it's conservative thinking or not, the data he presents shows that Fast Food Restaurants are NOT THE PROBLEM as Spurlock tried to illustrate in his documentary. Corruption and lies generate from the wing nuts on the far spectrums of right and left. Liberal and Conservative qualities are not all bad. The best thing is to have a balance with them... JUST LIKE YOUR DIET!

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Uh, no. His point was that when journalists bemoan the "epidemic of obesity," the ONLY people they depict are morbidly obese. Naughton SAYS he is obese according to the WHO. How did you miss that?

What conservatism has to do with this escapes me. The emphasis on freedom of choice for consumers?

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