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With all due respect, I think the parents indulged him...


I thought it was a great documentary and I feel awful for his family. I think they loved him dearly and did everything in their power to help their son.

I do have to say however that they indulged in his suicidal behaviors way too much in the name of art. I think it is in their nature so I can't really blame them, this is just my opinion.

For example, why on earth did they let him write and perform in a play about a boy that had died? That just let him live out his fantasy. I also think that he knew way too much about suicide and death at such a young age. The part of him singing that song with the guitar was very disturbing. Your son is obsessed with suicide so you video tape him singing a song about death and suicide? They were VERY VERY indulgant in his behavior.

I'm not sure anything would have stopped him from suicide but why let him focus on death so much?

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I agree. There is no doubt that the parents were trying to do the right thing, but I'm a little confused on some of the things I couldn't help but think throughout the film. The fact that the mother even took pictures of the boy showing how he wanted to hang himself was a little strange to me. She obviously didn't foresee that she would have to put them in a documentary about her sons death someday, but I still don't get the reasoning behind it. And didn't the suicide note say that he only wanted his family at the funeral and that he didn't want his friends or people from school to know what he had done. The mother made the whole documentary and didn't seem to leave out much.

On the other hand the film did get a lot of information out there on the subject. I do appreciate the family sharing so much. Something still just seems off though, maybe they were just a little too indulgent.

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When I listened to his lyrics while he was playing the guitar, it reminded me of the movie "The Wedding Singer" when Adam Sandler sings that song about his girlfriend to Drew Barrymore. I actually thought he was singing that particular song. It wasn't the same lyrics of course but the part where he says "somebody kill me please" is what made me think about Adam Sandler. I know Evan was sick, but that recording of Evan just didn't seem as disturbing as the rest of the documentary. Did anyone else think of "The Wedding Singer?

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No, no Adam, but I did think it was sad the little brother was screaming "stop it stop it, noooooooooo" or something to that effect while he was singing. It was obviously bothering him. He was pretty young too. He knew what he was singing about.

I hope he is okay these days.

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"And didn't the suicide note say that he only wanted his family at the funeral and that he didn't want his friends or people from school to know what he had done."


I think the parents cared more about doing the right thing than honoring Evan's somewhat selfish wishes. People did care about him and if he realized that in his life he probably wouldn't have committed suicide.

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Look, the documentary said several times that people with bi-polar disorder sometimes tantrum and go out of control. The parents said themselves that they were doing everything they could think of - they took him to counseling and actively sought help for him when they realized at age 5 he was way too obsessed with the concept of death.

The only reason they filmed these disturbing clips of him was to DOCUMENT his behavior - to track it, to organize it and hopefully get an overall sense of how to heal him. That's it. They didn't just say, "OK Evan, please sing a song about death and play your guitar so we can film it." They just randomly saw him displaying these obsessive / death behaviors and since they are filmmakers as their careers, they had cameras around to document his behaviors for analysis! Come on people...

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Yes I completely agree. Why did he know about his uncle's suicide. That's not something my family would tell me until I was old enough to understand.

Funny because my friend tried to commit suicide in early middle school. I honestly believe the only reason why was because a year earlier one of her friends/counselor from a summer camp hung herself and died.

She would have never known about self-harm if her friend never killed herself. To this day she has never recovered and is subscribed to dangerous level of drugs only to be abused by drinking.

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I sort of understood why they filmed him. The mother said that people really didn't understand what she meant when she said her 5 year old wanted to kill himself and just how serious he was and how detailed/planned the suicide was. I'm sure they assumed 'oh you're exaggerating, he just saw something on tv' like most would. Honestly, I didn't quite understand the extent until she showed the photo of him trying to hang himself. So, I get why she felt she had to do that to almost prove something was really wrong, and it wasn't a case of a parent overreacting, but that he needed serious help asap.

That said, I do think they indulged him in his 'tantrums' as he got older. The owner of the Wellspring center said as much to their face several times, about teaching him consequences for his actions, and not letting him get his way, making him clean up his messes, etc. Those are things his parents should have been doing! They talked about him trashing his bedroom in timeout and how 'that was that', like they threw up their hands, and just let him get away with stuff like that because they couldn't manage him. But on the flip side, I try not to put too much blame on them, because they didn't know what to do; they weren't trained psychologists etc.

The whole situation is obviously horrific, and I do feel they tried everything in their power to get him proper help, but he just couldn't deal with his struggle anymore at that point. And I don't know if that would have changed as he became an adult. I can say from experience that a young man, going through puberty into adulthood, will absolutely hate the side effects of most drugs for bi-polar disorder and stop taking them just to have normal male responses. Once the mother started mentioning all of his physical changes and girls liking him and him not being interested yet, I knew he would choose to stop the lithium, and I knew where that would lead.

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Agree. I feel that turning the camera on him instead of stopping him is somehow silently giving permission. If a kid is starting a fire and a parent gets out the camera instead of addressing the behavior, the kid is going to thing it must be ok, or maybe even entertaining if Mom is getting the camera. However I do not at all believe this would have ceased his tendencies. I dunno. I truly sympathize, but being a mom myself, I couldn't possibly watch my daughter even pretend to do it, let alone get the camera. Did she already have the camera in her hand, or did she say "hold on a second" while she went and grabbed it? I don't believe she "needed proof". When you know in your heart something is true, proof is not necessary unless there's something at stake. If the psychiatrist wouldn't treat him because he didn't believe her, it makes sense. But that's not why she did it. I think those pictures say more about her than Evan.

Also, most depressed people don't announce they're depressed unless they want attention for it. He was told at a young age he was depressed and he saw that it got him attention. The way he says it when playing the guitar ("it's because I'm depressed...") it's clear he wears that label of himself that he was given. I'm not saying he wasn't depressed, I'm saying maybe he shouldn't have been given that label at such a young age and shouldn't have been given the permission to act certain ways because of it. It's almost like someone said to him "it's ok Evan, you do these things because you're depressed."

The mother says that he didn't understand that standing on the ledge of his school would get him in trouble. That's a problem. He definitely should have known that, but if people get the camera instead of stopping him, how would he know?

Forgive me, I don't think she was a bad mother and I believe she loved her son. I just don't understand her behavior at all. And I don't think I'm a better mother, I've made plenty of mistakes.

I don't know why I judge. Writing this doesn't bring me joy or good feelings. I think I'm looking for a scenario that ends with Evan alive. I am sorry.

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She was making a movie man!

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His parents weren't filming him so they could all watch it later with friends and family like it was his 5th birthday party. They did it because it seemed unlikely that anyone would believe them when they sought help for his suicidal behavior. They didn't see him playing sad songs on his guitar and think "we should film this! This will be fun at the next family reunion!!"
I think them letting him write and star in a play about a dead child was viewed as a way for him to express some of his internal pain. Romeo and Juliet is performed in a ton of schools and it doesn't lead to suicide, despite two teens both commiting suicide on stage. I honestly think they thought it was an outlet for those feelings, not a blue print for his own death.
I have Bipolar disorder as well as PTSD. I thought-and think-about suicide on a daily basis. As early as six I thought if I died, the abuse I was enduring would stop. Nobody "let" me focus on death. My undeveloped brain did that all on its own.
Sometimes parents seem or act indulgent in their child's destructive behavior. I think a lot of it isn't done to spoil them or make them think the behavior is okay, but honestly just trying to keep them happy and alive for one more day. Bipolar is an intense psychiatric disorder which ends in suicide more than we'd like to think. I think they were desperate to keep him safe, one day at a time.
This film was heart-breaking. The message board for this film is infuriating. I wish people could have opened their minds a little and see this for what is was: a family's journey through a hellish psychiatric disorder that ended in tragedy. It could not have been prevented, only dragged out. It was no one's fault.

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