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Being a child of the 80's, I decided give this film a shot. But I really just found this to be sad. This isn't even nostalgia, this is a portrait of a sad, obsessive southern gentleman who has such an emotional attachment to the objects and themes of his childhood that he cannot live his life without them. I mean, this is REALLY pushing it, why not make a movie out of Chuck E. Cheese next?

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I can see your point, but if he's made himself happy, and his family is happy, and he has made nearby children happy, and enabled someone to make a movie that makes people happy, and has made (literally) millions of YouTube watchers happy, and even gets to be famous for a bit - even appearing on TV - where is the sadness in that?

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Babywetsallnight:
You are a woman. I can tell that by your viewpoint. You shouldn't jump all over my case for recognizing a woman's viewpoint. It's no insult to recognize that someone is a woman. My wife came away with the same feelings as did you. She felt the whole thing was sad, Mr. Thrash's obsession, Mr. Fechter's crash after his success, the abandoned factory, and Mr. Fechter failing to move on. I think the tone of the movie was partly sad but that also the movie failed to create a happy tone. The portions of Mr. Fechter crying, Mr. Thrash talking about his dad's illness, and the long segments showing the abandoned factory in disrepair and Mr. Fechter's nostalgia for a happier time were all explicitly sad. The movie failed to change tone during happier segments like Showbiz' heyday, the new working show, the youtube success, the new songs, and Mr. Thrash's exciting restaurant effort. In particular, the movie failed to feature the awesome music, singing, comedy, and robotic performance of the 1987 era Rock-afire Explosion shows. Had the movie maintained a mostly happy tone your subjective experience may have been different.

You can't understand an impractical fascination that results in what may seem like a time and energy wasting obsession. The thing is: men are fascinated by gadgets and technology. It often requires a huge effort to make something tech and it's often done just to see if you can make it happen because the chance of success and monetary reward is small. Women seem to be more practical minded about it. Is this going to make money? Does this require much effort? Does this have a more or less certainty of success? If not, then don't do it. Men are more like: this is cool, this is fascinating, I'm going to make this work and prove I can do it.

So many of the things that we enjoy in our world would never have happened with a practical mindset: space travel, The Wright brothers and flight, video games, automobiles, almost any invention was scoffed at and its inventors were called crackpots until they succeeded. Many never succeeded. We all enjoy music but how many musicians do we enjoy whose families tried to make them "get a real job?"

The entire Showbiz Pizza Place and Rock-afire explosion probably took an obsession to make it happen. When someone succeeds and makes something difficult happen, that's not sad. Were you sad when we landed on the moon?

In the ending credits it mentions that Mr. Thrash is now working on opening a pizza restaurant to feature his Rock-afire show. If he does that and is successful, and kids all around the area come to enjoy Mr. Thrash's show as much as Mr. Thrash and others enjoyed the show back in the 80s, and if Mr. Thrash's restaurant makes him a lot of money and he gets a nice big house and a fancy SUV vehicle, will that be sad, or will that justify his obsessive effort? And if that happens, realize that Mr. Thrash did it not for money, but rather for his own personal satisfaction-is that sad? My dad always said, "Do what you love and the money will come." Have you ever bought into that statement and does Mr. Thrash's work seem to qualify? In the movie it's mentioned that Mr. Thrash was able to inspire Aaron Fechter into working on the Rock-afire again after 20 years. If they get together and are able to revive the Explosion and get the movie, cartoon, and other dreams that Mr. Fechter once had, it would be a huge success story. How would you feel then? On the other hand, what if Mr. Thrash's restaurant fails and Mr. Fechter's dreams never happen, how will you feel then? I think I know the answer to all of that: you will feel happy if there is success but sad if not. I think most women would share your viewpoints on these issues and do not understand the fascination that men have with gadgets and technology. I think many guys will come away from the movie feeling that Mr. Thrash was victorious. He had a dream, he wanted to do something big, he made it happen, he was successful in his efforts, he proved that he was able to make something difficult and big happen. And I think that's why men tend, overwhelmingly, to be the inventors of the world and that will never change.


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I live in Phenix City where Chris Thrash is from. He has opened a restaurant it opened in January of 2009. He showed the movie there tonight to a packed house, and afterwards showed 3 shows. You say it is sad, but what you don't get to see is PART 2. ShowBiz Pizza ZONE is doing great, it is scaled down a bit from Showbiz Pizza Place, but the pizza is much much better and they have great prices. After the movie Chris showed 3 news shows, and it was amazing, to be able to see the Rock a Fire Explosion alive and rocking out after the SAD movie you mentioned. There is a ray of hope at the end of the movie, and now my son is having his 2nd birthday party there and the Rock A Fire Explosion band will be rocking out in the background, so Chris has brought happens to not only people like myself but to a whole other generation of kids in our area.

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"ShowBiz Pizza ZONE is doing great"

so great that it closed a yr later.

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I felt this movie encompassed much more than just Chris’ obsession with Rock-afire Explosion. I found it very interesting to hear about the downfall of Showbiz Pizza and the subsequent merger with Chuck E. Cheese. I also enjoyed the guided Aaron Fechter’s guided tour through the Creative Engineering warehouse/offices. The melted animatronic moose was especially creepy.

When I was a kid going to Showbiz Pizza for a Birthday Party was about as good as it got. The place was my Disneyworld. There was actually a Chuck E. Cheese right across the street and it sucked compared to Showbiz Pizza. The only thing it had going for it was this wooden maze, made to look like swiss cheese, that you could crawl through. Given the close proximity of my hometown’s Showbiz Pizza and Chuck E. Cheese made the concept unification quite confusing for someone as young as me.

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but what you don't get to see is PART 2. ShowBiz Pizza ZONE is doing great, it is scaled down a bit from Showbiz Pizza Place, but the pizza is much much better and they have great prices. After the movie Chris showed 3 news shows, and it was amazing, to be able to see the Rock a Fire Explosion alive and rocking out after the SAD movie you mentioned. There is a ray of hope at the end of the movie, and now my son is having his 2nd birthday party there and the Rock A Fire Explosion band will be rocking out in the background, so Chris has brought happens to not only people like myself but to a whole other generation of kids in our area.
It's kind of upsetting that the film ended where it did and you don't get to see "PART 2", which I have to say was a happy ending to the whole thing.

Thanks for posting that.

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so great that it closed down a year later

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I think that it is high time that the RAE rose from the ashes again... Chuck E Cheese does not even hold a candle to what the RAE has to offer.. They littlerly STOLE Aaron's creations and turned Showbiz into a place that sorely lacks in fun... obsessive you say??? So what... It is the one thing that brings that southern man some joy... If it makes others happy, then I do not see the harm...

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They didn't steal Aaron's creations. The company owned the hardware, but not the licenses to the characters. They could do whatever they wanted with the robots, and they chose to retrofit them into the characters they owned. There are a lot of CEC robots that ended up as retrofits in other entertainment venues for the same reason.

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I didn't think it was overly sad, everything has it's time and place and this movie chronicles the Rock-Afire Explosions. I think it is just nice this movie got made so there is a document commemorating the show I remember as a kid.

If this movie was sad for you, or brought you down, don't watch documentaries I guess because many are profoundly depressing in that they are about the real world where happy endings are not the norm.

"Nobody knows anybody, not that well..." - Miller's Crossing

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I live in Columbus, GA where he's from, right next door to Phenix City. It's a trip to see a documentary set there.

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Actually, the history of Chuck E. Cheese would probably make a really interesting movie. The company history has so many twists and turns and would haves and could haves it's just crazy.

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True enough. I mean, speaking of corporate histories, I just saw the movie and read these interesting comments about the inventor guy (Aaron = inventor, Billy Bob = animatronic character):

by kobun37 (1 month ago)

At that point corporate had decided they were going to get rid of CEI and so they really had nothing to lose by giving Aaron the ultimatum.

One thing you have to remember is you're only hearing his side of the story, and Aaron has a vested interest in casting himself in the role of the persecuted victim. You don't hear how he was a complete pain in the ass to work with, and how he put the entire company at risk by trying to block the merger, and how he almost got the company in legal trouble by not paying for licensing rights to the songs he used, and that he kept threatening lawsuits whenever he didn't get his way, or how he would do phone meetings with the executives acting like Billy Bob and refusing to acknowledge anyone who wouldn't address him as Billy Bob.

No, corporate had some very valid reasons for wanting him out of the picture.


You can find confirmation for almost everything if you look around online. He posts under his own name and has admitted to most of it in comments on message boards and blogs. The last part came from a reliable source who has spoken directly with former Showbiz corporate employees.

I'm not saying corporate couldn't have handled it better. Demanding he turn over the rights to the characters was a dick move and I have plenty of gripes about them and the way they've run the company over the years. But Aaron Fechter is no innocent angel and he pretty much made his own bed.

And BTW... Most of the fans interviewed for this documentary still love the Rockafire but now hate Aaron's guts. A whole lot of *beep* went down after it was made. I wish they would do an update.


Long story and I don't have all the details, but in short Aaron decided he didn't want people who owned their own shows to create their own material. Some of those people who bought shows from him or obtained them from places that closed told him they were going to do it anyway because the bots were their property.

It got reeeeally ugly on both sides. The whole thing ultimately ended up in Aaron filing a lawsuit against one of those fans and the guy who showed Thrash how to program the show and wrote the software that allowed others to do it. I believe the lawsuit was thrown out of court, but still...

Not sure how Chris Thrash feels about Aaron right now, but I do know his restaurant failed and he ended up selling the show back. Also heard that Chris made a partial payment on a different bot and when he fell on hard times Aaron refused to give him his money back or give him the bot.


from this discussion thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTmhS6hcY-A&lc=z12jtznqomv3zlbso225j1todpedxxuo404&list=UL

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Long story and I don't have all the details, but in short Aaron decided he didn't want people who owned their own shows to create their own material. Some of those people who bought shows from him or obtained them from places that closed told him they were going to do it anyway because the bots were their property.

It got reeeeally ugly on both sides. The whole thing ultimately ended up in Aaron filing a lawsuit against one of those fans and the guy who showed Thrash how to program the show and wrote the software that allowed others to do it. I believe the lawsuit was thrown out of court, but still...

This probably explains why Chris took down most of his YouTube videos and gave them to Aaron to reupload on a different YouTube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/christhrash/discussion

christhrash 9 years ago

Sorry everyone. The creator of the show asked me to pull these shows.
So i should respect his wishes as i did.
I don't want to be shut down.


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