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Only relevant to Americans?


From reading one of the reviews on here, it seems it's just American brands that seem to be affiliated with this company and/or effected by its dominance. In Europe, although we have Bud, it is not really the dominant beer in the market - Peroni, Grolsch, Stella Artois, Heineken, Kronenbourg are probably the main market leaders... Also Germany has hundreds of breweries and thousands of lagers, which as can be seen on this website: http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk.

A word of advice to those of you who are worried about your choice of beer being dictated to you by one company - start to buy from Europe. The beer is the best in the world, in particular many German beers. Also, Peroni from Italy is absolutely fantastic.






"...it's pompous to call myself a comedian,I prefer to think of myself as a phenomena" - Rik Mayall

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I haven't watched this yet, but I can say that the U.S. has thousands of micro-breweries that are producing some very high quality beer that either rivals or even surpasses those beers from Europe. Unfortunately, the big companies such as Budweiser, Coors & Miller are still quite dominant in the U.S., but even those companies are starting to produce some different beers that are of some quality, unlike their awful signature beers.

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buy from Europe. The beer is the best in the world



No.

That may have been the case 20 years ago, but American micros, and in my opinion particularly several of the micros in the Pacific Northwest are breaking new ground in the art of craft brewing.
I would put American beers up against anything in the world.
I just hope that the current trend/fad of over-hopping beer doesn't continue.


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As a European i don't drink American Micros, i believe you that there ARE quality beers out there. But comparing these 'new' beers against f.i. Belgium abdist beers which have hundreds of years of tradition is kindof steep.
However, do support the small timers! Do yourself a favor and drink quality beer!!!

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Yes, I think it's s little over-zealous to start saying these micros produce better quality products than the best European breweries.

Germany and Belgium both have hundreds of years experience at producing the very best in both beer and now lager. Each country has a vast amount of breweries. Between the two of them, not to mention other countries, Europe is still way ahead.

Also, when using the word 'beer' are people referring only to ales, etc or are they including lager in this?



"...it's pompous to call myself a comedian,I prefer to think of myself as a phenomena" - Rik Mayall

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Europe still has the best in the world. Germany and Belgium are so experienced with beer production I don't think they will ever be challenged. Even Italy, which isn't known for its beer, produced arguably one of the most exciting and excellent-tasting lagers in the world- with Peroni they made lager fashionable!



"...it's pompous to call myself a comedian,I prefer to think of myself as a phenomena" - Rik Mayall

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Maybe the beer is better mainland, but there is so much inconsistency when they are imported that I don't really see them as worth trying anymore. When the stores here had nothing but macros in the American beer selection, imports offered a decent alternative. But now I can try all kinds of styles of quality beer that have not been tainted by bad storage techniques when being shipped overseas. How does 100's of years experience really matter when compared to a market not afraid to innovate and try new things?

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How does 100's of years experience really matter when compared to a market not afraid to innovate and try new things?

Exactly. Experience doesn't always equal better quality.

I'm not knocking European beers at all. I've tried probably over 100 beers from Europe, and have liked quite a few of them. But even beer experts around the world have been praising American crafter breweries for their products and comparing them to, and in some cases even saying they are better than, some of the European beers.

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"In Europe, although we have Bud, it is not really the dominant beer in the market - Peroni, Grolsch, Stella Artois, Heineken, Kronenbourg are probably the main market leaders..."

With the merger of Anheuser–Busch and InBev, the largest American beer brand and a large number of European beers, including Stella Artois, are now being produced by this one giant company. And none of those European beers retain their taste once they get here. I've had direct imports on cruise ships that taste better than the stuff I've bought in stores here. They don't compare in the least to the American microbrews being produced now.

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Europe is still way ahead.


Well to each his, but I have yet to taste a European Stout that I thought was even worth the 4 bucks a pint to buy.
I can tick through almost every Western US micro's tap lineup and find an outstanding Stout. Snake River Brewery seems to have perfected the Stout in their Zonker offering.
Porters are another good example where I think the American Craft brewers are ahead of the game in comparison to what I have available to me here in the US from Europe.
Maybe it is selection? I would be eager to hear some recommendations from our Euro friends if there are some dark beers I should be looking for that might change my mind.

By the way this is much better than arguing about politics. :)
Cheers.

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$4 a pint? Man, I wish I had bars like that around here. We pay upwards of $8 a pint!

Hey Roguestout (love Rogue brews btw), I take it you've never tried Young's Double Chocolate Stout, Young's Oatmeal Stout, St. Peter's Cream Stout, or Sam Smith's Oatmeal Stout. They are all brewed in the UK and are some of the best stouts I've ever tasted. Of course in the U.S. there is also 8 Ball Stout from the Lost Coast Brewery in California & the Left Hand Milk Stout from Colorado that are high on my list as well.

As for porters, the best one I've tried yet is Highland Oatmeal Porter out of North Carolina, followed by the Elysian Perseus porter from Washington, & then Sam Smith's The Taddy Porter out of the UK.

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AMERICA THE BEST. You are watching american movie, so shut up.

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Quiet you.
The grownups are talking beer.

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How am I not grownup? I just showed you Europeans that you watched American movie so show respect and shut up.

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Since I am an American and have been advocating American beers in this thread your point (such as it was) has been invalidated and you are dismissed.

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I take it you've never tried Young's Double Chocolate Stout, Young's Oatmeal Stout, St. Peter's Cream Stout, or Sam Smith's Oatmeal Stout.


Thanks looking for these now!

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Great Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald is a pretty good porter. $4 a pint in most bars in Buffalo. $8 a pint is nuts. Hell, the one bar I go to was $3.50 a pint just 2 years ago.

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I've had their Blackout Stout, but have yet to try the Edmund Fitzgerald. I thought I had, but I just checked and I guess I either haven't or I just forgot to rate it. I'll have to check my beer supply at home and see if it's still sitting there or not. I picked up a 12 pack sampler from Great Lakes a while back, but I can't remember which ones were in there. If not, I'll try it out when I'm back in the Buffalo area in July.

$8 a pint is ridiculous, which is why I pretty much stopped going to bars here. Last September I hit up a Jack Astor's for week 1 of the NFL (the only bar around me that shows all of the games). I only stayed for the 1:00 games and my tab was close to $70. After that, I decided to just order the NFL ticket and watch from home.

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Where do you live that charges $8 a pint? NYC?

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Montreal.

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Any TRUE beer nerd will tell you that America is absolutely "where it's at" right now for the best beers. In fact other countries, including those in your precious Europe, are imitating American ales. One problem with their beers IS that they have been brewing the same dang stuff for so long. They're afraid of change and even more petrified of breaking tradition. On the other hand, us Americans just want what tastes good, so not only do American craft brewers focus on smaller batches using the best ingredients (on a level that could be compared to monks making ales in their abbeys [you know, when that was actually still happening regularly in Belgium]), we also continue to innovate. Sorry Europe, the torch has been passed.

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Very well said jedmisto2003

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I love it when Europeans knock American beer without ever truly experiencing what craft brewers producing. Imagine if I drank a Beck's and then said all German beer was revolting based on that experience.

Personally, I think Peroni is awful.

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Anheuser-Busch InBev, is THE WORLDS LARGEST BREWER. This is why the aforementioned company, dominates a majority of the movie's content. Chances are, several of your favorite beers, are owned, in some shape or form, by the company in question.

There are many American beers that would rival/trump any other beer from around the world. The key is to stray away from the big names, and focus more on craft brewers. In my opinion, Peroni is a marginal beer, at best. I don't, dislike the brand. However, there is nothing fantastic about the taste. I might order a bottle/glass if it was the only premuim beer available at the restaurant I'm frequenting, yet, still would consider ordering something like Coors, if there were a sufficent price difference.

Beers like Coors, Bud, PBR, and Miller are good for "laying low". They are cheap, easy to kill, and don't get the drinker particulary trashed, unless you are playing excessive amounts of Beer Pong, or bonging one every five minutes. I'll order a Sam Adams, Sierra Nevada, Dogfish, Goose Island, Hoffbrau Haus, etc, if I really wish to enjoy the beverage that I'm consuming. The price might be a little more steep, but, you tend to drink them with more care. There is a brewery/restaurant about two miles from my house(Bluegrass Brewing Co of Kentucky), that commonly makes several concoctions that would most likely, knock your socks off. I'm not saying that all of their beers would outdue something found across the pond. But, I'm willing to bet, you'd develop an affinity for one or two of the selections.

Don't stereotype every american beer based upon a swig of Bud Light. In the same respect, I'm sure it doesn't rain every day in London.



"The key is, you've got to be crazy to maintain your sanity"

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Beers like Coors, Bud, PBR, and Miller are good for "laying low". They are cheap, easy to kill, and don't get the drinker particulary trashed,

I have to disagree there, only because the taste of Bud is absolutely revolting. I won't even drink it if it was free. Regular Coors is tolerable, but again, I would never buy it. Offer me one for free and I will drink it.

I'll order a Sam Adams, Sierra Nevada, Dogfish, Goose Island, Hoffbrau Haus, etc, if I really wish to enjoy the beverage that I'm consuming. The price might be a little more steep, but, you tend to drink them with more care.

Again, I have to disagree. I enjoy the taste of those and will drink as many of them as someone who orders the cheap stuff.

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Regarding your last response, I often consume the premiums in the same fashion. It's funny... when I first turned 21 and started hitting bars legally, I would order a Sam Adams or Sierra Nevada, after killing too many light beers, in order to slow down. Nine years later, I find myself chugging the crafts with more ease than lights. When my current girlfriend and i first started dating, several years ago, I was in the midst of a house-sitting job, and the client had the fridge stocked with Sam Adams Light. During the courtship process, she invited my over for dinner, and unvieled a case of SA Light in order to impress me. Smiling, I decided not to let the cat out of the bag, and instead waited about a year into the relationship to spill the beans. She turned red, and got a good laugh out of the situation.

Honsestly, I don't care for Bud, either, and was just speaking in generals. I do enjoy an occasional Old Style, PBR, or Coors, if at a ball game where they might be charging over ten dollars for one of my preferred premiums. But that's more of an atmospheric choice.

"The key is, you've got to be crazy to maintain your sanity"

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You seem to take a very ethnocentric tone, though beer belongs to no one as it is around 9500 years old.

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I gotta jump into this fray boys........
As a Canadian I belive we make the best beer here, we brew beer for men!

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Every country has good beer and bad beer. I am personally predisposed to Craft breweries.

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As a Canadian I belive we make the best beer here, we brew beer for men!

I've lived on the border of Canada and even in Canada for most of my life (21 years on the border, 8 in Canada, and 9 away), I've been hearing Canadians say "Our beer is better" forever, and I strongly disagree with this statement. I will give you the fact that your mass produced beers (Labatt, Molson, etc) are better than the U.S. mass produced beers (Bud, Coors, Miller, etc), the craft market is where it's at. In Toronto, they now have bus excursions to take people down to Buffalo, just for the sole purpose of beer expeditions...to be able to drink craft beers from the states because the LCBO and the Beer Stores in Ontario refuse to sell those in Canada. The U.S. craft beer market has been compared to the great beers of Belgium & Germany.

I don't know if you've ever tried any of the craft brews in the states, but if you get a chance, I highly recommend you do it. You'll see what really good beer tastes like.

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Does no one in this thread realize that taste is a subjective thing? You can't just say "American/European beer is the best in the world" because you can't know what others will like. Maybe it is your favorite, and that is great, but what is wrong if someone prefers a different one? I enjoy European beers, American beers, and beers from all over the globe, but I don't judge others for having different preferences. Are we really so insecure that we need the beer we like to be "The Best"? Do we really have to turn such a beautiful beverage into a glorified d!ck measuring contest? Can we all not just sit down, relax, and enjoy a beer?

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