Leah and Rosalie's whining.


Seriously, what's their problem?

Leah tells Jake on the beach scene to "get over it" since he didn't imprint on Bella. But she didn't imprint on Sam either! She chooses to love him. She could stop if she really wanted to. Jake at least has the excuse of pre-imprinting on Bella's egg, and mistaking it for love for Bella herself. Sam, OTOH, did imprint, nullifying any free will on his part. She acts as if he "betrayed" her when in fact he had no choice in the matter. It would be like her getting mad at Sam for cheating on her if he got raped. Emily had no choice on who imprinted on her either-what was she supposed to do, reject Sam and let him die so Leah wouldn't get her feelings hurt? Really, Leah got the better deal. Yeah, Emily got the guy, but she's going to stay a boring human and she will eventually die, while Leah gets to live forever. Leah can just find a new boyfriend. When she imprints on a boy she'll forget all about Sam anyway.

Rosalie needs to get over herself too. All she does is whine about how she'll never have children. The whole point of having kids is to replace yourself when you're dead. Since Rosalie will probably never die, unless she gets murdered by another vampire or a werewolf, this doesn't apply and hence she doesn't need kids. Oh, yeah, so she doesn't get to play house with a cute baby. Big deal! That's a pretty small price to pay for getting to stay young and healthy forever and not die. She's so selfish and ungrateful! Her life is pretty much perfect, she's rich and immortal, and all she does is complain and be butthurt at Bella for wanting that life too. Like only she is deserving of being a vampire and no-one else can have it. She needs to stop whining-her life is better than 99.999% of the population's and she doesn't appreciate it at all!

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Leah:

Most of her hatred for what has happened is directed at the Cullens. They are the reason for the wolf gene being activated, and thus for the imprinting that comes along with it. Also, she and Sam were in a relationship. Which is completely different from Jacob, who was never in a relationship with Bella. And that's why she's snippy with Jacob. He acts like his pain is worse than hers, when it isn't. And then, on top of that, she fears she is incapable of being a mother due to phasing. And then on top of that, her phasing suddenly in front of her dad for the first time caused him to have a heart attack and die. (Not in the movie. Book version. But in the movie, vampires are the reason for her dad's heart attack and death.) So, she has a lot of pain and hatred going on. It will take a while for her to work through. I see her as Edward's replacement. I wonder if it will take years before she finds her 'soulmate.' I believe that, like Edward, finding a mate will heal her. Plus also discovering that she is indeed able to have children.

Rosalie:

She had a fairy tale human life. She was blissfully happy. And she couldn't wait to be a wife and mom. And then the man she loved rapes her and lets his friends take turns with her, leaving her dying in the street. Then she was burnt to a crisp in the turning process, without understanding what was going on. She was frozen in this mental/emotional state, and it takes something drastic for a vampire to unfreeze and change. (Edward had planned on joining the military when he come of age. He wasn't interested in finding a mate, and having a family. And as a vampire, he wasn't interested in falling in love . . . until he met Bella. This is when he unfroze just enough to let Bella in, and then he refroze in this new state.) So, Rosalie is a stuck record. Finding Emmett did unfreeze her just enough to let him in, but not enough to heal her pain. And I'm sure having a mate made wanting a baby all that much stronger. I believe that living vicariously through Bella, and finally having a baby to love and hold and watch grow up, has healed her. I'm sure she still has pain at not ever knowing the experience for herself, but it won't be as sharp a pain as before. Plus, when Renesmee grows up to have kids of her own, she can 'show' Rosalie how it feels to carry a child and give birth to it. And she is much happier with her life now.


I can't have children, and I don't have that maternal time clock nagging at me, so it doesn't bother me at all. But most women have a deep desire to be a mother, and some even go through all kinds of horrible procedures to have a child. (Some even kill pregnant women and steal their babies to be a mother.) And for a lot them, it isn't about having someone to carry on after they're gone. It's about something far more important than that, and they'd be just as devastated as Rosalie. For them, being a mother transcends being young and beautiful forever. Like Rosalie, they'd give up being a vampire to have a human life as a wife and mother. That isn't selfish. Choosing to be a sterile immortal over being a human with a family is selfish.









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Most of her hatred for what has happened is directed at the Cullens. They are the reason for the wolf gene being activated, and thus for the imprinting that comes along with it.
That's silly. She may have legitimate reasons to dislike the Cullens (they're her natural enemies, their son/brother is with the woman her friend loves, etc), but this isn't one of them. Like Rosalie, she too now has an awesome life, where she can be an awesome werewolf and stay young and healthy forever and not die. Like Rosalie, she should stop whining and be grateful about how much her life has improved.

Also, she and Sam were in a relationship. Which is completely different from Jacob, who was never in a relationship with Bella.
That is irrelevant. Bella's feelings for Jacob, or lack thereof, is a separate issue from his feelings for her. It makes no difference that she never loved him while Sam loved Leah at one point-he still loved her.

And that's why she's snippy with Jacob. He acts like his pain is worse than hers, when it isn't.
It was worse. Bella emotionally abused him and selfishly led him on for her own ends. Sam never did that to Leah. He treated her well, but imprinted on someone else. He didn't use Leah; it just didn't work out. This happens all the time-people break up and get divorced every day. It's not necessarily anybody's fault; it just happens. Bella, however, made a fool of Jake and as such he has every right to be upset about her abusive treatment of him.

And then, on top of that, she fears she is incapable of being a mother due to phasing.
The whole point of having kids is to replace yourself when you're dead. She's probably going to live forever, unless she gets murdered by a vampire. She doesn't need kids because her DNA will still be here, whether she breeds or not.

She had a fairy tale human life. She was blissfully happy.
And she ended up with an even better life, thanks to Carlisle.

And then the man she loved rapes her and lets his friends take turns with her, leaving her dying in the street.
But that's not what she's complaining about. She's complaining about the vampire stuff. A lot of people get raped, but they don't whine about their circumstances improving, as hers did. Also, because she was a vampire, she got to kill the rapists. How many human rape victims get to do that?

Then she was burnt to a crisp in the turning process, without understanding what was going on.
That was temporary, and quite short compared to eternity.

But most women have a deep desire to be a mother, and some even go through all kinds of horrible procedures to have a child.
Nature does this in order to protect the species from extinction-the organism will need kids to replace them when they're dead. Otherwise, when we die, the species dies too. Since Rosalie and Leah will probably live forever, this does not apply to them.

Some even kill pregnant women and steal their babies to be a mother.
Only those who are seriously deranged, probably to the point of insanity. It serves no evolutionary purpose to steal and raise someone else's kids-remember, these kids are your kids competition. If you help them survive, you are putting your own kids at a disadvantage because the more competition they have, the harder it will be for them to find food and mates. No normal, sane female would do that.

And for a lot them, it isn't about having someone to carry on after they're gone.
That's the whole point of having kids. Nature doesn't care about the individual; it cares about the species as a whole. It's not about the individual's self indulgence; it's about protecting the species from extinction.

For them, being a mother transcends being young and beautiful forever. Like Rosalie, they'd give up being a vampire to have a human life as a wife and mother.
Now that's just silly. Rose was given an amazing opportunity that most people would never have, and she's butthurt because she can't play house with a cute kid? Come on. Human life is temporary-which means that by extension, motherhood is too.

That isn't selfish.
She's selfish because she wants to deny this awesome lifestyle to everyone else because she doesn't like it. She is denying other people's autonomy and imposing her own preferences onto everyone else instead of respecting their choices. All she does is complain about Bella wanting to become a vampire, and she hates her because of that. Granted, a lot of people dislike Bella and justifiably so, but this is different-Rosalie's reasons for disliking Bella are stupid.

Choosing to be a sterile immortal over being a human with a family is selfish.
How is not wanting to die selfish? All organisms have a survival drive-nature made sure of this because we'd go extinct if we didn't. We are all biologically programmed to want to live as long as possible. That's why the suicide rate is so low, probably lower than statistics indicate because of tabulated suicides that are actually accidents, or a host acting under the influence of a parasite. By your logic, every single organism on the face of the earth is selfish because we haven't killed ourselves yet.

And how is it selfish for a woman to not have children? What a sexist comment.

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I have a few questions for you.

1. Have you ever, in your lifetime, been in love with someone? And if you have been in love, have you ever lost that someone to another person? Do you have any idea how excruciatingly painful that is? Because I do. I had to sit back and watch while the one man I loved (or, at least, thought I loved) ended up with someone else. And I know, all too well, that it isn't something you just, "get over." It takes time.

2. Do you know what it's like to live with the knowledge that you will never be able to conceive a child? I don't, thankfully. But you know what? I have enough common sense to know that it's not something you just, "get over." Also, you should keep in mind that Rosalie didn't choose to become a vampire. She didn't sign up for an immortal life. That choice was made for her. And it's because of that, that her chance to grow old with someone and become a mother - something that she wants more than anything - has been stolen from her. And don't get me started on replication word vomit you spewed forth.

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Have you ever, in your lifetime, been in love with someone? And if you have been in love, have you ever lost that someone to another person? Do you have any idea how excruciatingly painful that is?
Sure. We've all been dumped; it happens. The difference is, though, that love is ultimately a choice. Leah can stop loving Sam if she really tries hard enough. Sam is physically unable to stop loving Emily because of the imprint, so she really has no right to be angry at him or Emily. What are they supposed to do, let Sam die and/or be miserable forever so Leah won't be offended? It's actually pretty selfish and self entitled of her.

thought I loved
There's no such thing as "thinking" you love someone-you either do or don't. That you don't love him anymore does not change the fact that you did at the time.

I had to sit back and watch while the one man I loved (or, at least, thought I loved) ended up with someone else.
He chose to love this other woman; no such thing applies to Sam and Emily. Imprinting is involuntary. How can Leah be mad at them for something beyond their control?

And I know, all too well, that it isn't something you just, "get over." It takes time.
Leah's had at least a year (maybe longer-we don't know exactly when Sam phased because Bella didn't know about the werewolf stuff until New Moon) to get over it. And it's really not even that much about her loving Sam, because she told Jake that she would love to imprint or be imprinted on so she could move on-demonstrating that she is in fact ready to move on. So why doesn't she date someone instead of sitting around and whining about not imprinting?

Do you know what it's like to live with the knowledge that you will never be able to conceive a child? I don't, thankfully. But you know what? I have enough common sense to know that it's not something you just, "get over."
It's not that bad. If she thinks kids are that cute, she can always adopt one and pretend it's hers.

Also, you should keep in mind that Rosalie didn't choose to become a vampire. She didn't sign up for an immortal life. That choice was made for her. And it's because of that, that her chance to grow old with someone and become a mother - something that she wants more than anything - has been stolen from her.
Yes, Carlisle "stole" it from her but he gave her something better. "Oh, poor me, I get to not die and be young and healthy forever! " GMAB. Her life is awesome.

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Last I heard, there wasn't a time limit as far as the healing process is concerned. For some, it takes a few months. For others, it takes a year. But for others, it takes even longer than that.

And, as far as I know, Rosalie didn't want to become a vampire. Carlisle made the decision for her, under the false impression that he was doing her a favor.

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Last I heard, there wasn't a time limit as far as the healing process is concerned. For some, it takes a few months. For others, it takes a year. But for others, it takes even longer than that.
Of course she hasn't gotten over it-she hasn't allowed herself to. She's not even trying! She won't give other guys a chance because she's so hung up on Sam.

And, as far as I know, Rosalie didn't want to become a vampire. Carlisle made the decision for her, under the false impression that he was doing her a favor.
It's not like he could ask her, seeing as she was passed out and couldn't talk. But everyone else has adjusted to being a vampire pretty easily. Why can't she? Even Edward, as emo as he is, doesn't whine about it as much as she does.

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Im thinking you were about 13 when you wrote this...I cannot wait to hear what you think once you've had time to grow up a bit

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Of course she hasn't gotten over it-she hasn't allowed herself to. She's not even trying! She won't give other guys a chance because she's so hung up on Sam.


Um, no duh she can't get over it.

They're all in her head. Or did you forget about the involuntary pack mentality? Sam's in her head being all happy and all the other little boys are in her head bitching at her to get over it.

Of course she's not over it. This stupid werewolf mentality won't let her get over it.

It's not like he could ask her,


Disgusting. That's what date rapists say.

But everyone else has adjusted to being a vampire pretty easily.


So? Who cares about everyone else?

Why can't she?


Because Carlise has made sure she lives forever watching other people (including Bella and Edward) have what she can never have.

Let's be bad guys.

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The whole point of having kids is to replace yourself when you're dead.

Clearly, you have the wrong idea.

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