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Has Peter Jackson seen this?


Because if he hasn't, the filmakers should contact him. He must see this, it looks stunning!

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He sure must. I just watched it, and it was breathtaking, really. Way better than most Hollywood crap. Hopefully, they(IOC/Independent Online Cinema) will get noticed, win some kind of award cash or something, like a scholarship, right, and then they could play around with other parts of the mythology(which, as we know is a huge one - the Trilogy is indeed merely the tip of the iceberg) I just loved it for real.

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--He sure must. I just watched it, and it was breathtaking, really. Way better than most Hollywood crap. Hopefully, they(IOC/Independent Online Cinema) will get noticed, win some kind of award cash or something, like a scholarship, right, and then they could play around with other parts of the mythology(which, as we know is a huge one - the Trilogy is indeed merely the tip of the iceberg) I just loved it for real.--

Way better than most Hollywood crap? It certainly looked good, but I wouldn't say that. It had a distinct "crappy Hollywood" feel to it.

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He has to watch it. I think it would be very cool of him if he gave them a small role in "The Hobbit".
This movie is indeed a sign that you don't need a multi-million budget to make a good movie as long as you have heart!

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it is really impressive work.
just remind as all what wonderful series could be made with right approach with all appendices and Silmarillion (sigh...)

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Why sigh? There's plenty of time for them to be made into film :)

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Sorry to sound like the bad guy but i think the topic of this film was not suitable for a low budget short film. Short films should be about dialog and interesting characters. This effort looks like trying to do a concert in a stadium with your car stereo. Also they could have chosen a better story to tell than the hunt for Gollum. For anyone that have seen the trilogy there was nothing interesting about the story.

I cant say that i enjoyed watching it but I must admit that its an impressive effort given the circumstances(budget and all).

Please comment my post with your views.

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This is much better movie than any Jackson directed. He ought to stop making movies altogether; I would not give him position to decide whether someone deserves a "small role" or not, if I had any say in it!

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Luckily you don't have any saying *phew*

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Maybe someone else with the sane mind will *wink*

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"This is much better movie than any Jackson directed. He ought to stop making movies altogether; I would not give him position to decide whether someone deserves a "small role" or not, if I had any say in it!"


Strange comment about the man who creaetd the best Triology ever done...

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I do not agree. Jackson's adaptation has many issues - from the choice of actors and role characterization, to dialogues, scenario and representation. Overall, it is a flagrant mistreat of the original work. Do you honestly believe that J.R.R. Tolkien would approve his book to be done in that manner, if he was alive?

Much better IMO is the old attempt by Bakshi, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077869. It is animated movie, and it's outdated in more than one way, but it still has the spirit and original atmosphere of the books. Acting and directing is much better than in Jackson's version, and the only advantage Jackson had on his side is modern technology...

On the other hand, I have high hopes for the Hobbit, since it would be directed by Guillermo del Toro, who already made some fantastic movies in the genre.

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Luckily, Internet and individual opinions are still free.
IMHO the animated one was a child story, for the younger orients. LOTR is for me a Fantasy-Drama for older orient; it has everything, great acting (except Mr Bloom maybe), fantastic photo, excellent lyrics, it was sad and cruel and exciting and beautiful and contained the best battlescenes I ever saw (Rohan lines up outside Minas Tirith, can watch in for another 1000 times). Sometimes slow without getting booring, sometimes breathtaking, sometimes beautiful - yes I cried last 30 minutes of ROTK.
Nevertheless, Internet is for free. Respect! :-)
PS del Toro is a really nice choice for Hobbit, his Pan is indeed a Fantasy-masterpiece for adults. But here is what i'm worried for: he sometimes freak out creating strange creatures, almost creates them for the creations sake but not for the story (like Lucas at the bar in Star Wars ep 4). For example the trollmarket in Hellboy 2. Limit the creaturecreations in Hobbit, hopefully PJ (the producer) can guide him a bit, and i think Hobbit can become almost as good as LOTR?

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Amen to that :)

Bakshi's movie isn't a simple child story, it's highly regarded among the comic book artists and critics all over the world. Of course it has issues, but nevertheless it managed to capture something the later adaptation made by Jackson lacked altogether, despite the technology and CG. Rohan lined up and actual battle was great, CG and all, but acting, misinterpretation and bad timing of the actual lines from the book made it awful for me!
I beg to differ, but the last 30 minutes of ROTK I skipped altogether, it was too whiny for my taste. I found it sad, dignified and almost chilling when I read the book, but the exact moment in the movie left me disgusted. I don't mean to diminish your feelings, but the whole "departure and closure" scene was way out of its proportion, no wonder it was later ridiculed on forums and sites...
We'll see what del Toro has in mind, I'll wait until some information start to leak online, I don't want to try and predict what he thinks about. As for PJ guidance about the creatures - we are talking about a man who made a gorilla vs. T-Rex scene in the movie, right? ;)
Bottom line, whether our perception of the movie differs of not, I just think the fans can make it better than some hot-shot director, and The Hunt for Gollum seems to prove it.

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Thanx Perecca,
I agree to some and disagree to some of Your statements, BUT its really nice to discuss with somebody like You that
1. knows facts and has thought them thru'
2. dont use arguments like "YOU ARE A STUPID NOOB" to fill in their lack of facts

Still, PJ's LOTR rocks :-D

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It was nice having a civilized discussion with you too :)

Let's wait for the release of the Hobbit, and we can talk about it then...

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> Bakshi's movie isn't a simple child story, it's highly regarded among the comic book artists and critics all over the world.

no it is not... critics tore this movie apart after it was released, that's why he never finished the trilogy. also, this movie was directed at kids, as the-swede already pointed out. you say that jackson's vision didn't do justice to the books, but where in the book can you find descriptions of child-like behaviour of hobbits as bakshi portrays them? there are none. especially right in the beginning, which already has a feeling of impending doom in the book, while bakshi's version doesn't give that feeling at all. instead he threw in some kindergarten-like scenes into the mix...

whether you like jackson's adaption or not is your choice, but claiming that it didn't do justice to the books is a rather big fail, which has little to do with opinion, but rather with analytical skills...especially when you praise bakshi's work over jackson's in the same sentence... apparently millions agreed with jackson and watched his version in cinema, while only the fewest craved bakshi's version and a good portion of them only did so, because there was no better adaptation around until jackson came along.

i like bakshi though. i love fritz the cat 1+2, heavy traffic, american pop and i became highly interested in his lord of the rings version, when i played the 1991 pc-game of LOTR that featured a good portion of his movie as FMVs. while i did like the selected scenes in that game on a standalone basis, i already felt they did little justice to the book and when i was finally able to hunt down the movie, i was shocked to be presented such a boring, almost narcotic 2 hour piece of work. i like animation effects, but what bakshi did looked just terribly uneven. together with his inabilitiy to push the story forward in an interesting manner, i had to stop watching the movie several times, because it just bored the hell out of me... and that was years before jackson's movie was even in the works, so i wasn't even spoiled by his superior work

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I don't know about the mainstream movie critics, but most of professional illustrators and artists have very much appraised the Bakshi's movie. Critics are often disputed, and not that familiar with art, don't you think? :) And it wasn't finished because of the lacks of money, since it wasn't ment to be a blockbuster and never wasn't properly funded.

> apparently millions agreed with jackson and watched his version in cinema

Yeah, but how much of those millions read a book a dozen times, knew it by heart and actually have a detailed opinion about it? How many gave a thought about the Tolkien's world which is depicted? How many read several other books to round up the picture in their heads and had some kind of visual interpretation to goes with that picture? I'm sure that Jackson's interpretation went well with the majority of viewers because they never had a great expectations, maybe they haven't thought really hard about it, or just had a positive spin. Tolkien's fund also went along with everything for the sake of the money (yet again). So we've got a splashy movie allright.
But try to view it from the late J.R.R. Tolkien's point: I'm positive he wouldn't be delighted about it. The Trilogy would probably never be made as a motion picture if he was alive and have any say in it (he outright declined adaptation into the movie several times during his life). Or - if he gave his assent - he would probably leave the film screening after 15 minutes of it, like Umberto Eco did during the premiere of "The name of the rose". He felt the movie never made justice to his book. It's all about little things, details - like awkward characterization, scene that got skirted, wrong dialogues, subtile misinterpretation went irksome...

I merely suggested that "superior" is the state of the mind... the animated version by Bakshi is made so long ago, maybe a new take on it could prove that artistic approach is better and could prove as an undisputable quality in a long run. For some time I thought about anime adaptation, and what would Japanese studios make of it! :) But in the meantime, we've got ourselves a fan film that goes well above our expectations, and for just a 3000£ spent for its making. It was never about the acceptance or the money.

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you sound like a bitter tolkein fanboy. grow up. this is the 21st century.

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Well, I'd like to think that I sound like someone who is interested in wellbeing and preservation of Tolkien legacy. The writers' family, for example, also wasn't very pleased with the Jackson's input:
http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/news_0000/472.html
On numerous occasions they simply stated that movie didn't do books a justice. And I tend to agree. Maybe the introduction from the book "Bambi vs.Godzila" by David Mamet could further enlighten you why...

And, by the way, if anyone is a ludicrous Tolkien fanboy, it's Jackson! I'm simply a fangirl who appreciates Christopher Tolkien's stance on the movies :)

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If the film makers wanted to be true to the books, they would have had a trilogy of movies for each of the three LOTR "books".

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""I do not agree. Jackson's adaptation has many issues - from the choice of actors and role characterization, to dialogues, scenario and representation. ""

I think it's funny how you rip Jackson's trilogy for these things while hailing The Hunt for Gollum as a much better film. You are in desperate need of perspective, buddy.

""Overall, it is a flagrant mistreat of the original work. Do you honestly believe that J.R.R. Tolkien would approve his book to be done in that manner, if he was alive? ""

Here's the thing: the films are not the books. If you're looking to experience Lord of the Rings as it was originally presented, the wonderful work of Tolkien is still available for all to read. It will not disappear because movies were made.

If you want to experience a cinematic masterpiece based on Lord of the Rings, the movie trilogy is an amazing piece of work too. There was a lot of reverence for Tolkien and a respect for the books throughout the process, which lasted several years, involved many diehard fans of the books. Even the actors poured their heart into these movies.

Oh, and everytime you try to pimp Bakshi's adaptation as superior, you basically admit to not knowing what you are talking about. It was crap. Really.

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>Here's the thing: the films are not the books. If you're looking to experience >Lord of the Rings as it was originally presented, the wonderful work of Tolkien >is still available for all to read. It will not disappear because movies were >made.

Don't think so. More and more people have a tendency just to watch a movie, or read digest version in a hope to grasp a storyline... but this is way too subtle piece for that. And also, after having watched the movie, most people seem to compare it with the book, regarding the movie as an original piece, taking the wrong turn...

>Even the actors poured their heart into these movies.

Yeah, just like Liv Tyler wanted more screen time so the part of Arwen had to be re-written specially for her, Hugo Weaving never managed to get out of the Agent Smith's skin, and hobbits happened to be gay. And any other adaptation is crap. Right.

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"Don't think so. More and more people have a tendency just to watch a movie, or read digest version in a hope to grasp a storyline... but this is way too subtle piece for that. And also, after having watched the movie, most people seem to compare it with the book, regarding the movie as an original piece, taking the wrong turn..."

This is anecdotal evidence that is not universal, Perecca. And the irony is, the same could be said of The Hunt for Gollum, which you have praised here.

Maybe The Hunt for Gollum should be forbidden too? After all, by your logic, someone could compare it with Tolkien's work, or mistake it for an original piece of fiction... right?

You are reaching big time. Jackson is not my favorite filmmaker but he had an obvious reverence for the project. This movie has been advertised to death as an adaptation of Tolkien's work. The documentaries and interviews were littered with references to Tolkien.

Sales of the Lord of the Rings novels also rose once again during the movie craze.

"Yeah, just like Liv Tyler wanted more screen time so the part of Arwen had to be re-written specially for her, Hugo Weaving never managed to get out of the Agent Smith's skin, and hobbits happened to be gay. And any other adaptation is crap. Right."

All you are doing here is nitpicking and being strangely homophobic.

And remember, I'm not the one saying any other adaptation has to be crap. You are. Because hey, maybe someone saw Bakshi's movie and thought it was original too....

Say what you want, most of the people involved in the LotR trilogy poured their heart into this project. I can respect that you don't like the result. That is your right. But you embarass yourself when you go in hyperbolic mode, bash Jackson as an incompetent director and then praise the inferior and very loose Bakshi adaptation and invent all sorts of reasons to hate the modern trilogy.

As for the Hunt for Gollum, I think it was an ok amateur work. I just don't understand why you feel the need to bash the trilogy because of that.



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Close. It is second to none other than The Godfather trilogy

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Not realy the first star wars Triology was much greater.

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He created nothing ... Tolkien did all the work ;)

All Jackson did was compile a travelogue with fight scenes around the work of Tolkien.

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sorry, that was lucas

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Troll.

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ha-ha do a better job then Peter - your joking right? Hunt for Gollum was done really good but there are all just amateurs - Pete's being doing films since the early 80's, I think he knows a couple of things about movies.

You ought to stop making silly comments altogether.

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Sue who? For what? There's no copywright infringement if they're not seeking any income for the film. I also doubt very much that Jackson would ignore an incredible fanfilm based on the same subject that he himself spent 10 years working on. What world do you live in tole...?

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Technically, Saul Zaentz owns all filming rights to LOTR and The Hobbit, via Tolkien Enterprises. But the director of "Hunt for Gollum", Chris Bouchard, stated:

"We got in touch with Tolkien Enterprises and reached an understanding with them that as long as we are completely non-profit then we're okay. We have to be careful not to disrespect their ownership of the intellectual property. They are supportive of the way fans wish to express their enthusiasm."

(The easy and correct way: just ask who is in charge...)


Now if someone incredibly stupid gets a great idea and puts this film on a DVD and starts selling it, there could be legal problems en masse...

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cinematography was fabolous, very polished.

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Yes indeed. A few cuts were too short for my taste, but maybe I'm getting old...

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Yeah he must see this.

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@ perecca: I'm not sure you can use the 'would Tolkien himself have liked the LOTR movies?' as an argument. It is documented that Tolkien had a distaste for technology etc and it's known he would of hated his work to be put into any movie form, no matter how it turned out. (Not to mention all the merchandise, video games etc since the movies).

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There won't be any sueing. They aren't making any profit from this film. It falls squarely in to the fan fiction camp of which there is loads around for Lord of the Rings.

If Jackson and co had any sense they'd employ these guys to make more short LOTR films to be released before and after The Hobbit films. If The Hunt for Gollum is anything to go by then I'd pay a reasonable amount to watch them. Wonderful stuff!


"Well there's something you don't see everyday...unless of course you're me"

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Back to the original topic--I hope he has seen it, because it is stunning. Isn't this the fanfilm that Richard Taylor has given praise to? If so, I imagine there isn't much chance that PJ hasn't seen it.

Congrats to all involved. An impressive piece of work.

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>>Isn't this the fanfilm that Richard Taylor has given praise to?

No, that's "Born of Hope" you're thinking about.

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if this became a dvd extra on the offical lotr boxset that would be amazing!

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