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? for all those who ascribe to the religious view espoused in this movie


Not out to argue or negate anyone's perspective, though obviously I can't promise to agree with anyone's response. As a decided non adherent of organized religion, I'm legitimately intrigued by the thoughts of who do partake:

Faith.... What comfort does this bring when the God one ascribes to allows events such as the Vietnam War alone, to say nothing of the neighboring genocide in Cambodia and Laos, to occur? Before anyone trots out "free will", such a response by inference asserts the existence of a God who's fully aware that certain individuals will commit heinous acts of inhumanity towards their fellow human beings, often racking up casualties in millions, yet allows said folks to come into existence to wreck subsequent havoc. What assurance is there to be found then, is so monsterous and dismissive an entity?

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reason #184 I'm an atheist

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"reason #184 I'm an atheist" Yup! Reason wins every time.

💀 The Faceless Men

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I won't see this movie. I have no interest in it.
But, to your question: I don't believe in God for the 'comfort' that it affords.
I believe in God for reasons much less tied to an emotional need. however, your question would lead me to believe that you disbelieve in God because of reasons attached to emotions (namely, shock that such things would be allowed).

The God of Christianity tells all to expect suffering and hardships in this life. So for me, the simple act of pointing to suffering and hardships only underscores the message in His Scriptures.

You immediately try to rule out any reply of "free will" which strikes me as being not so much odd, but typical.... typical of someone who wants to brush aside the inconvenient fact that an individual's volition would certainly allow for him to perform many terrible things.... conversely, similiarly allows for many great things.

But, to state again: I don't believe in the existence of God because I'm aiming to be comforted. Truths and facts don't disappear at the simple issue that concerns all things comfortable.

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I won't see this movie. I have no interest in it.
But, to your question: I don't believe in God for the 'comfort' that it affords.
I believe in God for reasons much less tied to an emotional need. however, your question would lead me to believe that you disbelieve in God because of reasons attached to emotions (namely, shock that such things would be allowed).

The God of Christianity tells all to expect suffering and hardships in this life. So for me, the simple act of pointing to suffering and hardships only underscores the message in His Scriptures.

You immediately try to rule out any reply of "free will" which strikes me as being not so much odd, but typical.... typical of someone who wants to brush aside the inconvenient fact that an individual's volition would certainly allow for him to perform many terrible things.... conversely, similiarly allows for many great things.

But, to state again: I don't believe in the existence of God because I'm aiming to be comforted. Truths and facts don't disappear at the simple issue that concerns all things comfortable.


So what's the point of following "GOD" then? 


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The movie has a plot hole?!?
EVERY FRIGGIN' MOVIE HAS A FRIGGIN' PLOT HOLE!!!!!

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By stating that man has free will, you are saying that God is not all knowing. In other words, you are not a Christian, as you don't believe in the bible. An all knowing God would have predestination, and would know everything before it happened before the universe even started; because it would have intentionally caused everything to happen. To say otherwise means that God is not all powerful, and a God that is not all powerful is hardly a God at all.

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Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with (ALL POWERFUL) God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared (PREDESTINATED) unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

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30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
THE ROCK IS THE LORD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST

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Simply quoting bible verses hardly qualifies as an answer. It may make you feel good, but shows that you're little more than a mindless follower.


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The movie has a plot hole?!?
EVERY FRIGGIN' MOVIE HAS A FRIGGIN' PLOT HOLE!!!!!

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What kind of reply is that? Like the other poster said, it kind of makes you sound brain dead when you can't reply with coherent thoughts that were your own. Furthermore, Dwayne Johnson is the Rock, Jesus Christ.

From your post, I can't tell if you were trying to argue for or against free will, because you did nothing more than copy and paste some ancient men's attempt at trolling.

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Give it a rest. Nobody's listening.

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It's all about love! Love is not a one way street...without free will, humans are disposable robots. Honestly, no one is going to convince you to change your views on a message board. We all stick to what we believe, but I would encourage you to research the other side before making a strong argument against them. You are way off on what you believe the Bible says...

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This Bible is a book written by human beings, so what it says really has as much value as any other book.

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This Bible is a book written by human beings, so what it says really has as much value as any other book.

If only it were that simple.

There are those who will swear that the Bible is THE unquestionable; irrefutable word of God and try to live out his word (for better or worse.) Unfortunately; the end result is that it just leads to more confusion and strife. A perosn does not need religion to do good for his/her fellow human being. A person needs empathy.


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The movie has a plot hole?!?
EVERY FRIGGIN' MOVIE HAS A FRIGGIN' PLOT HOLE!!!!!

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Well of course there is free will and we choose things but also there must be opposition in all things. So if we don't have bad in this world we won't know goodness. There must be bad and good so that we learn. God can't stop bad things all the time cause then there will be no bad just good. We must know hurt to understand joy true joy. We are here in life to learn. Bad things happen so that when good thing happen we can experience true joy. God wants us to learn and have happiness.

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