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Who the hell cares about what actors do in their private lives?

If I start to consider that before watching their movies, there will be hardly any actor left for me to watch.

Most of the actors/actresses (if not all) are not exactly role models to look upto in their real lives. They are just protected untill they diss some powerful people.

Same cr@p has been going on with Charlie Sheen and Tom Cruise.

I don't give a **** about Scientology as long as they don't preach it in his movies. Last of Samurai was the best movie I had watched that year and Cruise was brilliant in it. But I was reading all these cr@p posts about Cruise beliefs and what not in that movie's forum.

Gibson is a brilliant actor. Rarely I get disappointed from any of his movies. And The Beaver was great and refreshing movie of this year.


If you are looking for role models, Hollywood is the last place to look for them.

So stop poking around their private lives, reading celebrity gossips and other cr@p and just enjoy their work.

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I am not sure what you are getting at.

But talking about Nazis, the US govt. recruited Wernher von Braun along with other Nazi scientists, who practically design all the rockets for NASA, including the one to the moon.

So coming back to actors... yeah... who the hell cares?



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As I said, if I start to judge actors and their movies based on what they do in their personnel lives, there won't be anyone left for me to watch.

I don't pay attention to celebrity gossips and paparazzi and all that cr@p. Its waste of time and brain space.

When we watch movies, we should judge the characters...not the actors playing those characters. The less we know about the actors, the better it is for the characters to be believable.

Every actor has problems. None of them are contender for being role models. So when media starts picking on someone, its mostly cuz of their agendas rather than genuine concerns.










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As I said, if I start to judge actors and their movies based on what they do in their personnel lives, there won't be anyone left for me to watch.


It's interesting to see that we expect corporations to maintain ethical standards, but for some reason actors (who are selling something to the public just the same) get exonerated from their activities.

Why is this?

Why is it that we expect companites to be

honest
generous
respect the environment
respect third world countries (don't exploit them for labor)

etc

But actors an run roughshod over other people and we just turn a blind eye to it?

Actors, especially bigtime actors, SHOULD be held accountable not unlike any corporation would be.

The reason actors get a freepass in most cases is likely because they are

charming
popular
attractive
entertaining

And CEO's arent.

Sounds like high school all over gain doesn't it?

If you are part of the "in crowd" you are off the hook.

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CEOs (and other corporate higher-ups) should not be given a hard time, boycotted, etc. just because they have controversial opinions--even if they're racists or whatever it might be, or if they have irresponsible behavior outside of work--DUIs, spousal abuse, whatever. We expect them to be honest when it comes to facts about their company and products, to act responsibly insofar as their business activities can affect the environment, the welfare of their employees, etc.

We do expect the same of actors and other artists. However, most actors' work involves little that would affect the environment, they do not directly employ even tens (forget thousands) of people, etc. They can be indirectly responsible for the employment of hundreds of people (since a particular film might not be made without that actor's commitment, although far more often, that's not the case--they'll just get another actor), and insofar as their behavior might affect that--by not showing up for work once they've committed to a job, or by doing things that might make them unable to finish a job they've started, they are criticized and rightly so.


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CEOs (and other corporate higher-ups) should not be given a hard time, boycotted, etc. just because they have controversial opinions--even if they're racists or whatever it might be, or if they have irresponsible behavior outside of work--DUIs, spousal abuse, whatever. We expect them to be honest when it comes to facts about their company and products, to act responsibly insofar as their business activities can affect the environment, the welfare of their employees, etc.

We do expect the same of actors and other artists. However, most actors' work involves little that would affect the environment, they do not directly employ even tens (forget thousands) of people, etc. They can be indirectly responsible for the employment of hundreds of people (since a particular film might not be made without that actor's commitment, although far more often, that's not the case--they'll just get another actor), and insofar as their behavior might affect that--by not showing up for work once they've committed to a job, or by doing things that might make them unable to finish a job they've started, they are criticized and rightly so


This isn't an argument... you are just saying "don't give CEO's or actors a hard time for controversial opinions"

And for the record I really don't think racial slurs are "controversial" in this day and age.

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It's not not an argument just because you're declaring that it's not. And re "I'm just saying . . ." maybe that's all you read, but that's not all I'm saying.


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He is right, it's not an argument, it's a statement or rather your opinion

made you look xD

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That is a great response, and totally true.

It made me think of this big debate we had in high school, started in an english class but became so big the school made an event out of it and a parents' night.

Basically, people were divided into groups and had to pick a topic to debate, and the best debate idea was voted on, and the best debates were decided for the evening.

I remember the top debate as well. It was about censorship and ratings in movies of all things. But the topic did not matter. One side was two unpopular, you could say homely, guys. The other was a very attractive guy and girl.

The debate was a landslide. The two unpopular boys were extremely well prepared, spoke well, and just smashed the other side. The other side had only a handful of good points, and poorly executed their side.

The unpopular boys debate team DID win, but only by a few votes. It should have been, like I said, a landslide. But people wanted to BELIEVE that the other side was better, and they had the looks.

And this continues on into adulthood. This is why we have the President we do.

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Yes it can. That is what makes them good at their jobs....that what they create be it a movie or a character, we forget about reality and exist in the story that is presented to us.

So YES the person an actor/director is in reality can be "divorced" from their job performance in a suspended reality.

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Why because she's a lesbian?? What exactly do you know about depression?? Never mind, don't answer that, I don't want to know. My statement was in direct response to you saying that what a person is can't be divorced from what they do....so what you just wrote back to me makes absolutely NO SENSE!! I knew I couldn't discuss this with you in a rational manner. I'm not sure what it is that you are looking for, but you are no better for disliking Jodie Foster for being a lesbian than Mel is for disliking Jews.

Haters just gonna Hate!!



Who will be first to have their backs against the wall when the revolution comes?

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Big Whoopie Ding Dong you had a lesbian for a roommate, what has that got to do with the nasty remarks you have made about her in regards to her being a lesbian. It's the first thing you mentioned in your description of her.

"Also, consider that Jodie Foster is a leftist Lesbian who: a) took Arab money* to produce this movie, which stars an openly avowed, rabid Jew-hater, and; b) gave fellow lesbian, Terry Gross, a cameo in the film."

If the lesbian thing wasn't an issue for you then why mention it at all? Why not just call her a leftist? You are the one that brought the fact that she is one into the debate. You called Terry Gross her "fellow lesbian" like it's some sort of a "Conspiratorial Lesbian Club".

I can't begin to tell you how embarassed I was when you mentioned that you were a gifted child and an MD to boot. I am so humiliated to have questioned your judgement of anothers knowledge, when you're a godforsaken gifted child and a flippin' real life doctor..ooooooo.

It was, however, finally nice to hear you say something regarding their actual movies. Although you could've left out "an old, dried-up, thin-lipped, super uptight WASP" as a description, but what was that I said about Haters gonna Hate??

Obviously I know Jodie Foster is a lesbian "dummy"! I don't need to check the internet!! Don't be a complete ass!!

Oh yeah! And I'm the Queen of England!



Who will be first to have their backs against the wall when the revolution comes?

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Big Whoopie Ding Dong you had a lesbian for a roommate, what has that got to do with the nasty remarks you have made about her in regards to her being a lesbian. It's the first thing you mentioned in your description of her.

"Also, consider that Jodie Foster is a leftist Lesbian who: a) took Arab money* to produce this movie, which stars an openly avowed, rabid Jew-hater, and; b) gave fellow lesbian, Terry Gross, a cameo in the film."

If the lesbian thing wasn't an issue for you then why mention it at all? Why not just call her a leftist? You are the one that brought the fact that she is one into the debate. You called Terry Gross her "fellow lesbian" like it's some sort of a "Conspiratorial Lesbian Club".

I can't begin to tell you how embarassed I was when you mentioned that you were a gifted child and an MD to boot. I am so humiliated to have questioned your judgement of anothers knowledge, when you're a godforsaken gifted child and a flippin' real life doctor..ooooooo.

It was, however, finally nice to hear you say something regarding their actual movies. Although you could've left out "an old, dried-up, thin-lipped, super uptight WASP" as a description, [b]but what was that I said about Haters gonna Hate??[b]

Obviously I know Jodie Foster is a lesbian "dummy"! I don't need to check the internet!! Don't be a complete ass!!

Oh yeah! And I'm the Queen of England!


what was that I said about Haters gonna Hate??


Judging from your insulting post: I would say you're very adept at hating.

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Did you even read, I mean actually read what I wrote? And did you read the comments I was directly responding to?? You seem to want to just call me out, but you leave out the discussion that was occuring between myself and another. Why??




Who will be first to have their backs against the wall when the revolution comes?

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Homosexuality and pedophilia are not the same thing, so don't compare them.

"I feel like you get me. And you know why? Because we're both extremely beautiful."

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A lot of serial killers are heterosexual, does this associate heterosexuality with murderous instincts?, homosexuality is normal and it's between 2 consenting ADULTS, pedophilia is NOT. They are not the same.

"I feel like you get me. And you know why? Because we're both extremely beautiful."

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All that says is most pedophiles are gay, not that most gay people are pedophiles. Huge freaking difference. Pedophilia is sick and demented. Homosexuality is natural and should not be feared.



We made a land where crap is king, and the good don't last too long.

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That's why it is called ACTING.

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See what happens every time on the internet? Some one poses an argument and someone counters with "HITLER". Way to be an internet cliche.

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Hitler was actually a fairly decent architectural artist. Imagine how things might have turned out had his talent been encouraged rather than dismissed.

Watta ya lookn here for?

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What Mel did was beyond what almost any other actor out there has done. He isn't like Sheen or Cruise. It isn't typical Hollywood bullcrap. Yes, he is a brilliant actor and a talented movie maker. But what he said about Jews was just horrendous. It was disgusting and wrong.

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@bluesdoctor

Shut the Hell Up Already!!!!....You are so annoying with this trolling around. Just stop it already. I mean how many times are you going to say the same thing over and over again?? Go hang out at some political forum somewhere and lay off us poor movie watching folks. PLEASE!!!

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Don't you ever get tired of telling everyone what to do! I've seen you all over these boards. All you do is tell people they are wrong if their opinions differs from yours, so that would seem to make you a bit of a hypocrit.

I wasn't speaking to you in this case, but of course you feel the need to butt in and share your self important wisdom of what you think is wrong with what I've written and how I'm acting. Mind your own business and find someone else to boss around!

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A lot of comments in this thread evidence that people (amazingly) do not understand the basic idea of acting. Acting is the art of portraying someone other than yourself, someone usually fictional. It's not at all important that you share any qualities with the person you're portraying. You do not need a similar personality, similar behavior, similar views, a similar background, and you do not even need to be the same age or gender. Thinking that any of those things needs to be similar evidences that one does not understand the core idea of acting.

Related to this, a lot of people say that some actor or another "just plays themselves" repeatedly, but unless you actually know that actor personally, on a relatively intimate level--so that you're actually good friends, or you're a family member, say--you can't say that some actor who gives similar performances in film after film is "just playing themselves". You do not at all know what the actor is really like if they're just hanging out casually, out of the public eye (as many actors are still performing whenever they're on camera, giving interviews, etc.). They may just have a narrow stylistic focus in their acting, and that narrow range of characters may be nothing like what the person is like in real life. It doesn't have to be. They're acting. They're playing a role. That's their job.


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Agree. All these stupid preaching: he is "Jew-hater", but brilliant actor...He is brilliant actor, but...Who gives a f*k? It is movie board. The film was made on the "Arab's money"? I assume, the rest of them were made on "Jewish money"? Oh my...)) F*king haters don't know where to stop to avoid looking just like another breed of the Nazis.

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"Who the hell cares about what actors do in their private lives?"

Anyone with a soul. I don't want to buy a ticket knowing a part of the proceeds go to a talented but sociopathic individual. Call it the "Michael Vick Principle" - no amount of ability excuses a lack of ethics.

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