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'I really wanted you'


Why did the Devil want that guy? That made no sense to me, at all. I understand that he wanted the souls and all of that, but why was that guy so important that the Devil had to specify that He really WANTED him?

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Cuz that guy was a murderer, and not just an insurance scammer or a street thug.

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I think because he was a good guy really, but had one incidence of bad luck other than the rest of them who knowingly and willingly committed the acts they did. The devil wants to postulate the idea that all people are evil and rotten and wanted him to believe that about himself.

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Good answer.

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^^This.

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Well thought out. That's further than I got.

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Did you see all of the beer cans in his car? That's not "bad luck"; that's manslaughter. Well, except in California... there it's considered slightly worse than jaywalking.

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Manslaughter is still not murder. A child playing with a ball in the middle of a road is stupid, and manslaughter if the child is hit. Then again, if the driver swerved off the road it is still manslaughter on the child. Neither action was intended to end the life of another. In the case of alcoholism, collateral damage is likely a better term. Drunks are killing themselves, but often kill another.

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But that's not evil, per se. That's just stupidity.

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It WAS bad luck. Not a car or person for miles, then he reaches down for the beer and he hits someone.
I'm not saying it wasn't stupid, but it can both be bad luck and stupidity.

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yet he just happened to kill the wife and child of the detective who would be involved - years later - investigating the murders in the elevator all around him ... I think it's Fate or Karma, and is the traditional circular Shyamalan story.

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It WAS bad luck. Not a car or person for miles, then he reaches down for the beer and he hits someone.
I'm not saying it wasn't stupid, but it can both be bad luck and stupidity.


This.

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I agree...plus his death would fuel the despair in the detective making him a future devils advocate or suicide.

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very good answer 'ss5mmyers'

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well said!!!! ss5mmyers

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I agree that it was because he was a good guy. We should remember, however, that he was not _just_ a good guy who made one bad decision. He was a soldier in Afghanistan, and he implied during the conversation that he saw people dying before, so it is likely that he was in active combat and possible that he did kill someone before (at war). Which is arguably an act committed knowingly and willingly, although beyond a doubt for a cause, as opposed to evil acts committed by other people in the elevator.
So, he was not an angel who made one bad life choice. He had a complicated story and thus might have been a particularly interesting case to the Devil. We can speculate about it further. Perhaps the Devil wanted to see if the challenges that soldiers face somehow corrupt their souls or a man can stay pure through an experience of killing others at war.
The detective in this situation is also tried by the Devil: he is capable of killing but can choose to forgive and stay pure.

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It was implied that the street thug had murdered as well when we hear him say that it takes a few hours for the eyes to close after they are dead.

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I think the devil really wanted him because his sin (the hit & run) was so evil...

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yep

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The Devil wanted him because many go through their lives with no conscience. We ought to take responsibility, we ought to let our conscience guide us and we ought to "own up."

The mechanic's confession almost made me think that if the Devil didn't want him, then the cop would exact his own revenge, especially if the mechanic was still in the elevator, and the cop held the mechanic's life literally in his hands. The cop could have also said to the devil, "No. Take the mechanic! He DESERVES it." Yet the cop said nothing; he knew the mechanic was truly sorry.

(The note left behind at the crash was a callous choice, though.)

I think it would have worked better had the movie opened with the crash on the Penn Pike and then set up that final scene, because it's our choices that we make that will come back to haunt us. The crash scene looked unnatural where it was in the movie.) Thankfully, there is a a "God," and the cop also forgave.

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I think ss5mmyers got the answer really well!

Tony really was a good person, but one flaw made him put onto the list to get condemned. So the devil wanted to get him at the moment, but ultimately failed in the end.

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"I think the devil really wanted him because his sin (the hit & run) was so evil..."

An accidental hit & run isn't evil. Besides, the devil is evil, so presumably he'd reward, not punish, an evil act.

To venture an hypothesis, the devil wanted him because he was GOOD. Yes, he ran from the accident, but he felt genuine remorse for what he had done. He was a salvageable soul. The devil, you see, is in the business of stealing souls from God (at least according to some of the sillier theology I've read), and a good soul is a soul that belongs to God. The devil wanted him, desperately wanted him, because to get him would be to get a soul that could have possibly belonged to God.

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Umm I would agree that a car accident isn't evil.

But selfishly running from the scene simply to escape punishment as you know you were under the influence is definitely very very wrong in anyone's eyes! Evil is a strong word but if it was my family, I would probably consider evil someone who has killed them, deliberately evaded justice, and in doing so to some extent reduced my ability to properly grieve / move on.

Having said that, I think you're spot on in terms of him being fundamentally good and the devil wanting to snaffle a soul that had the potential to belong to God.

Moreso, seeing as God is 'all-seeing', the Devil would know very well that God would be watching the unfolding situation and the Devil would have taken pleasure in taking his soul right in full view of God. The devil wanted the fiancée there for his grand finale and maximum suffering, both for the fiancée and God (as God loves all his children etc and would also be hurt).

He didn't bank on God working in "mysterious ways", however, and planting the cop at the scene to allow a chance of absolution.

I'm not at all religious, just using a considerable suspension of disbelief!




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He didn't bank on God working in "mysterious ways", however, and planting the cop at the scene to allow a chance of absolution.
The mechanic wasn't really the main character of the movie, the detective was. It was about the cop making the right choice: would he stay on track after having overcome his depression, or would he fall back to alcoholism and become a cynic or even a criminal after getting the chance to get even with the guy who was responsible for the loss of his wife and child? The detective's soul was what the Devil was really preying on. But indeed God was working in mysterious ways, as the mechanic turned out to be a decent guy and the detective chose to see him that way (despite his cynism).

The characters in the elevator were merely used as pawns by the Devil in order to lure the detective into falling from grace (that's why they were also nameless in the end credits; not just to hide the twist of who was the killer). The people in the elevator were already corrupted to some point; the Devil was seeking to corrupt a next victim.

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The detective's soul was what the Devil was really preying on.
oooh, I like that theory. Nicely done.

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It was because he murdered two people. Plus Tony's soul really wasn't evil, he just did a very dumb thing. The Devil would rather take a good soul to hell to prove to God that all men are evil in some way, whether their soul is good or bad. He really wanted him because of those reasons. He couldn't take him once Tony confessed to his crime/sins and the detective forgave him. Confessing his sins freed his soul.

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The Devil's contention is that all men do good for selfish reasons. Give him a chance to be selfless, and he will dissapoint God all the time.

See the bible book of Job



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Yeah...pretty much what everyone else said. The devil thought he was bad b/c of the hit and run and how he seemingly went on with his life. But he lived with guilt and hated it. And when he got the chance, he repented.

Repentence seems to be a tough thing for bad/evil people to do - and actually mean it.

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Yeah, it was impossible for Tom Riddle. aka LORD VOLDEMORT.

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In "hit and run", the hit is much less serious than the run (and the alchole if applied)

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I think that quote sums it up for Tony. He knew what he did was wrong. He said he spent time in Afghanistan, I think as a punishment to himself for what he did...but he never truly claimed responsibility or remorse for killing the mother and child and driving off leaving them in a ditch dead with a note that said I'm so sorry. The lie he told himself, I think, is if I sign up for a tour of duty during a time of war that evens it out. He was remorseful on the inside but never came out and took responsibility and told anyone. He kept it to himself and punished himself...that's not how it works with the devil or God. Just as God sees all so does the devil.


" Ramirez: "You're never going to get these people to see themselves as they really are, 'cause it's the lies that we tell ourselves, they introduce us to him."

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Actually, the devil does not see all as God according to The Bible. The devil is given power in this realm, but not "sees all" power like God.

I don't think the line had any special meaning. I think it just meant the devil just really wanted to claim yet another soul, no more or less.

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If I remember correctly Ramirez explained that the end of these scenarios is that the last victim will be dying in front of their most loved ones.
The fiancee was there, right?
So maybe the devil had arranged everything and then he/she couldn't do the planned cruel ending. The devil really wanted him for the big showdown.

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I think both ss5mmyers and kiwiiimiller have the best answers in this thread.

The devil wanted Tony precisely because he was still salvageable - the other three were already lost causes. Vince was still being sleazy and slick, despite being under investigation for that very "sin." Ben was still violent. Sarah was still manipulative (and armed - I like to think it was her own, hidden mirror shard that the devil used on her).

But the devil also wanted Tony's girlfriend to see him die, and probably wanted Bowden to know what Tony had done as well.

Tony messed it up by confessing out of sincere remorse instead of fear.

In a way, the movie's final line wasn't truly accurate. The devil wasn't defeated by god. Instead, it was human choices to feel and express genuine remorse and enlightened forgiveness saved both Tony and Bowden.

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I look at it as God put Bowden there. Otherwise, Tony's apology and confession wouldn't have had as much resonance and the Devil wouldn't present such an opportunity for forgiveness I wouldn't think.

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I think the moral of the story was that the Devil punished all those people because they lacked conscience about their bad behaviour but while the bully, the gold-digger, the crook (the old lady), the charlatan were only commonly petty evil persons (not murderers), Tony was the most ''juicy'' as being the last because he was, indeed a true criminal, and he also coped pretty well with his being a coward for not admitting his responsability in front of the law..( remember that he was a also coward by hiding his tools on the day he had the interview in the building, not wanting to disclose the fact he was just a mechanic)

It took the Devil to look him straight in the eye in order for him to reactualize the accident in his conscience and disclose the truth...At first he would have rather die then admit what he did because it was easier for him...

All the characters were symbols for human vices and all were supposed to disappear but the director wanted to give the last one the possibility to live and suffer and then find a path to redempt himself to make evil disappear in the exterior world because he overcame his major flaw: cowardice

(This was also a way for the cop to find the path to faith by forgiving and letting the past behind and the story to come full circle)The story was very fluid indeed.


The old lady was not the Devil all through the story. There were two instances of her.

1. The lady in flesh was flawed herself and by being old enough it means she was going on like this for a very long time without her being caught or punished in any way. At the same time for the viewer she was kept as the most incapable to injure others the way they were because she was rather too weak physically to inflict that amount of harm.

So no viewer could suspect the old woman as being anything but a a tease to the story,so that the director could prepare the twist in the end.

2. Later on she was a vehicle for the so called Devil as a concept in itself to point his finger at those who lead apparently normal and innoncent lives without paying for their flaws and deeds.

So the conclusion is 1. The devil always appears in disguise

2. The Devil is not that evil in itself in the light of truth, it's only a consequence stirred by people for being evil themselves. It's their evil ( their lack of conscience) who makes the Devil as something exterior and foreign. When the air is cleared out, people can get a better understanding about their own evil inside and restore peace in the outer world.

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The whole idea of the devil makes no sense. He supposedly causes people to commit evil, yet in the end he berates and punishes them. Wouldn't that make him an agent of good?

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This makes no sense - you're saying he causes people to commit evil, and then punishes, OK, so if he didn't cause them to commit evil they'd go to the good place, now they don't, so how is he an agent of good?

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He doesn't cause people to commit evil, but he does persuade, cajole, and manipulate as much as possible to create a situation wherein people want to commit evil...but it's always the persons choice. In the mechanic's case, the evil wasn't in the hitting, it was in the running. He ran because he didn't want to be punished. Then when it was down to the wire, and he'd had 5 years of stewing over it because he really was a good person and it had just become unbearable to him, he confessed his sin and was absolved, thus taking his soul off the market for the devil.




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