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Am I the only one that thinks that maybe?


Yes, it's tragic that this young girl was abducted, and good lord knows exactly WHAT has happened to her, but, if her parents had showed more concern to begin with, and not allowed a senior in high school to leave the country on a practically unsupervised (very lightly, anyway) trip, then this whole fiasco would not continue to play it's self out in the public conciousness.
It's a little late to start showing parental concern after your child is more than likely dead. That would have been more convincing if you had set the limits to begin with, and said "no". That's why you're the grown up. Tragedy follows when you let a child make the grown-up decisions.

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You can hardly call an 18-year old a child. I lived on my own already in that period of my life, with all the responsibilities that came with it. If anyone is at fault, it is Natalee herself for coming into a situation that others could abuse her in.

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I was on my own at that age as well, but, that's the exception,rather than the rule. Psychologically speaking, adolescence ends usually concurrent to the end of formal education, until that point, it is usually the parents who assume responsibility for the safety and welfare of their child. That being said, it's seemingly un-genuine to be a permissive parent one minute, and then to act like mother of the year the next. If Mrs.Holloway had been less permissive and somewhat more authoritative about her daughters life, she might very well be with the living this very day.

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But we all know that the late teens is a tricky period for any parent. If you forbid them to do something, they might do exactly the opposite of what you want. I believe that the best way to guide your older children is by making them as worldwise as possible. Give them the space to make their own mistakes but do make them aware of certain consequences. In that light it's not even that bad if a young person goes abroad to extend their horizon. Beth Holloway can't have any blame as to how Natalee ended up on that beach. She should've stayed with her friends and probably nothing would've happened.

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Plenty of parents allow their children to go on spring break, etc..this doesn't mean they aren't concerned about their children. It's often a tough decision for parents because they want their children to be happy and be with their friends, but be safe at the same time. I'm sure if her parents could do it over, they would have kept her home. Plenty of 18 year olds go on vacation, and come home safely. You just never know.

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"Yes, it's tragic that this young girl was abducted, and good lord knows exactly WHAT has happened to her, but, if her parents had showed more concern to begin with, and not allowed a senior in high school to leave the country "

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On my Senior trip (may of 2002) I was in Toronto Canada (I'm a New Yorker)11:30 at night playing hacky sack in a subway, watching 2 lesbos have a fight over a girl they were both dating. You'd have this memory taken away from me??

But I'm not a alchy drug addict like Natalee is accused of being so that's why I didn't go to a party 5 miles away with people I don't know at 2am like I was asked to do by girls I met in the lobby.




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I agree with Ryu and not the origial poster of this message. Nothing happened to the other girls that went with Natalee. It was Natalee's fault, NOT her parent's fault for letting her go. If she hadn't gotten in the damn car she wouldn't have died. Simple. I would never go in a car with someone I don't know. hello..."stranger dancer"! I think maybe her upbringing was so restricted and so maybe she wasn't aware of the worldly dangers, but that would be the parent's only fault-babying her too much. But I entirely blame Natalee. She trusted that guy and the other girls didn't. Simple.

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Natalee didn't deserve to be killed...but she and her parents were definitely asking for trouble. I can't feel sorry for a girl who went to a party island where she could underage drink, who went off with strange boys living there to scam on tourist chicks. I can't feel sorry for the parents who condoned the whole thing by paying for it.

I agree with the original poster. If the daughter and parents had shown better judgment and common sense, they would not have gone through this tragedy. We're not talking about a little girl abducted from her front yard while playing with Barbies - we're talking about grown people making naive choices.

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So if that's the case, why don't we just go ahead and move the high school graduating age to our early twenties because if this is Natalee's fault or Beth's then I guess every college student who goes missing-I guess their parents are at fault for trusting their "kids" to go away unsupervised...right? And I guess when parents of murdered college kids who are at out of state colleges, I guess they shouldn't show any concern right?

All 18 year olds make mistakes and yes, it was irresponsible, the decision Natalee made to go off with Joran, but how about the reality that no one really knows what happened because everyone was completely wasted, how about it's not her fault that she got murdered (if that's the case) or sold into sex traffiking (if that's the case). I wouldn't be so quick to judge since you're not in Beth's shoes. And by the way, her father didn't want her to go but her mother was trying to cut her some slack for the hard work she did that year. She really was intelligent, that's not some lie they made up to make her look good. She was a smart, sweet girl who made a mistake and it doesn't show lack of concern to wonder what the *beep* happened to your daughter; how much concern would it have shown if she just did nothing?

Gosh, sorry if I sound harsh, but I was a couple of years ahead of Natalee in school and it's so infuriating to see Beth every Christmas with tears in her eyes while people like you want to say she wasn't a good parent....geez.

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Excuse me, but Natalee was 18 a legal adult,capable of making her own decisions.

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" capable of making her own decisions"

Um.... Obviously not. Just because you're "of age" doesn't mean you are always capable in the decisions you make. Natalee Holloway... Exhibit A
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There's old saying that I like to use, whick is: "Just because you can doesn't mean you should." In no way does being "Legal" make one a grown up. It's a different thing for everyone, 18 is an arbitrary number. Obviously she wasn't mature enough to handle this, her parents should have known.
What kills me is tha LMN tries to paint Mrs. Halloway as some kind of hero; firstly being a victim doesn't make one a hero, just a victim. This holds even truer as the parent of a victim. Second, if they had just carried out their parental obligations, we would have never needed to hear about them in the first place.

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I went to Mexico right after graduating at age 18 (in 2003) and we came back just fine. I don't think its fair to blame the parents for something Natalee didn't need permission to do in the first place. She needed them to pay for it but if she could've gotten the money herself she could have gotten on the plane with her mother attached to her leg screaming for her not to go and there wouldn't have been a damn thing they could do about it.

If you want to blame someone I would look more at her friends who shouldn't have let her get into that car. When we were in Mexico I had a friend who got incredibally wasted and I made sure I knew exactly where she was and when we were leaving the club I made sure she was right there with us. I would have chased down that car if she had gotten in it. I would not have waited until morning. These kids may have been a bit immature and that obviously worked against them but if the parents thought their child was mature enough to go there at age 18 I don't see how you can blame them. Also remember that over 100 students went on that trip and only ONE didn't come home. Its not like this is common occurance.

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Most parents, especially when their child has done very little if anything wrong (as was the case with Natalee, who was in general a "good girl") and was a good student (she received multiple scholarships to the University of Alabama) would have allowed their child to go on a graduation trip. A lot of kids go on senior trips and a lot of them, even good ones make mistakes ... the thing is most of them don't end up dead and therefore you never hear about it. Any kids that age can go out with their friends and make the same mistake Natalee did (I know I did at that age and I am now 20+ years removed from my h.s. graduation), but not end up like she most likely did if for no other reason but luck (luck that we didn't flirt with the wrong person, like she most likely did).

Also, I just have to say that I think its rather counterproductive at this point to judge.

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The Twitty's/Mr. Holloway allowed Natalee to go to Aruba knowing FULL WELL that there would be drinking and gambling. There were only SEVEN chaperones (for 124 kids). They are sorry excuses for parents. I would NEVER allow my daughter to go to a foreign country knowing that she wouldn't really be supervised.

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^Would you allow your son to go?

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Not to mention:

Natalee (as well as many of the others on the trip) was 18 years old, therefore, legally an adult. And the parents were told the drinking age in Aruba wis 18.

The trip took place AFTER graduation. So, what real authority would the chaperones have had over adult ex-students anyway? Would they tell them "For that, you would have had detention!" if they did something wrong?

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Well unfortunately rty33 once your child turns 18 there really isn't a damn thing you can do to stop them. You don't have to pay for it buf if your child gets the money themself they are free to travel wherever with whoever they wish.

Also many, many, many , many 18+ year olds go on trip whether it be for spring break or for graduating and frankly there are a lot of responsible 18 year olds (like myself) who were full aware of the risks and had a plan in case anything happened. The funny thing is is that when I drove to California with my friend at age 23, I did the same thing. My parents were worried when I went to Mexico and they were worried when I went to California but they trusted my judgement and knew I was an adult. They are parents, they always worry but sooner or later you gotta let 'em go.

Natalee made a bad mistake by trusting someone she really didn't know and her friends made a mistake by not doing enough to get her out of that car and by not alerting someone that she had left with some guy she just met.

If Natalee was my friend I would've ripped her out of that car and I'd tell her she'll thank me in the morning.

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You can't protect your kid from everything in life and once they hit that 18 mark and are getting ready to go away to college, you can protect them even less then. You just have to do your best and hope and pray that they'll have good judgment. There is absolutely no reason why Natalee's parents shouldn't have let her go. She had always been responsible, she was a good student and a good daughter. Unfortunately she just made one really big error in judgment by going off with those boys. I'm sure its something that most of us have done. I know I did.

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I'm sure its something that most of us have done. I know I did.


I know I didn't, wouldn't, wouldn't have even crossed my mind, if someone had asked me it wouldn't have even weighed on my mind more than a second. No way in hell would I have even contemplated doing something so stupid. And if people were bothered to teach their kids not to be stupid as hell, instead of, in my own words, treating this idiotic behavior as some sort of twisted right of passage for teenagers, most wouldn't either.

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Well then you were (are?) the exception to most other kids. Most kids are going to get into some sort of trouble and make stupid mistakes. How else are they going to learn otherwise?? Yeah, sure, some kids have their parents ... "don't do this, don't do that" and they listen and learn, but a lot don't. A lot of kids only learn after they have made the mistakes.

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Most kids are going to get into some sort of trouble and make stupid mistakes.


1) What you seem to have decided are a stupid mistakes are not things I at all consider stupid mistakes. Those are idiotic decisions made that only by the Grace of God and pure luck didn't turn into a Natalee Holloway (who in her case only took herself out) or Carla Wagner/Helen Witty (Who, unfortunately in this case, took out an innocent girl. Yeah, not national news but tragic all the same).

2) The reason I'm an exception (though fortunately not too rare since there are some other parents out there actually interested in being parents) is because my mom sees views these things with the seriousness they deserve and made sure to put a brain in my head, something that a lot of parents don't seem to feel the need to do. If people continue to view these things as 'stupid mistakes' that kids learn from and don't treat them with the seriousness it deserves this WIDESPREAD problem will never end. Unfortunately I think your an example of the severely flawed thought process of parents/adults out there and that's sad to me.



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Well we obviously have differing opinions, so you just think what you want to think and I'll just think what I think. Thanks ... nice talking to you.

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IT'S CALLED SENIOR TRIP. It happens every year in May. Graduates go to such places as Florida, Cancun, South Padre Island, Aruba, etc... This particular story has been beaten down our throats from the media a millions times by now and there "were over a 100 of her classmates PLUS CHAPERONE'S." How do you not know this by now? This has nothing to do with BH. NH was drugged more than likely the date rape drug and it went from there. This could have easily happened in Florida or anywhere else besides she's was about to enter a major college The University of Alabama and Natalee's mom wouldn't be there to hold her hand there either. This was a tragedy period.

Did you not take a Senior trip with a bunch of your classmates and go somewhere? We went to Florida (no chaperone's thank you very much) and stayed hammered all week. If nothing more this story has brought awareness for futures party seekers. Peace

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