Manic Pixie Dream Girl


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Pixie_Dream_Girl

Annoyed me a lot in this movie.

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I agree. While I enjoy this movie, the MPDG is a concept that I wish would just up and disappear.

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The Manic Pixie Dream Girl (MPDG) was defined by Nathan Rabin as "that bubbly, shallow cinematic creature that exists solely in the fevered imaginations of sensitive writer-directors to teach broodingly soulful young men to embrace life and its infinite mysteries and adventures”. He used it to describe the Kirsten Dunst character in Elizabethtown but the Natalie Portman character in Garden State came even earlier - and that character actually fulfilled the criterion “manic” (she was a pathological liar) while Kirsten’s character (strictly speaking) did not. Since then, MPDGs have been identified for other movies but very often they lacked one or more important characteristics of MPDGs, and I doubt Penny in the present movie was one, though Keira’s appearance and dress in the poster suggested some degree of quirkiness in her character.

Unlike the Kirsten and Natalie characters, Penny did not even seem to be interested in Dodge at the beginning. MPDGs are supposed to be of the Bohemian type able to “teach” the men to “embrace” and appreciate life through their imagination and knowledge (e.g. of folk music and history like in the case of Kirsten’s character). There was no evidence that Penny was able to do any of such things. Penny collected old vinyl records, but other than that I see little indication that she had artistic or literary interests. There was also little unconventionality in her thinking, behaviors and actions. Her first thought after learning of the impending catastrophe was to unite with the rest of her family – just like most people in that situation would have wanted to do. I look upon Dodge and Penny as just people desperately in need of companionship (after both had been deserted by their love interests) as the world was coming to an end, and they found each other.

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"The Manic Pixie Dream Girl (MPDG) was defined by Nathan Rabin as "that bubbly, shallow cinematic creature that exists solely in the fevered imaginations of sensitive writer-directors to teach broodingly soulful young men to embrace life and its infinite mysteries and adventures”. He used it to describe the Kirsten Dunst character in Elizabethtown but the Natalie Portman character in Garden State came even earlier"

Hang on, this trope has been around for much much longer than that. See Madonna in WHO's THAT GIRL. Or Sandra bulloock in FORCES OF NATURE. I'm pretty sure Goldie Hawn did this role many a times in her career. I specifically remember this one film with Steve Martin where she lies throughout, is a handful for him etc etc.

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That TERM was first used by Nathan Rabin in his film review written for Elizabethtown. No poster here in this thread was saying that such characters (in films or in reality) could not have existed earlier.

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I see. (I keep seeing this term pop up a lot nowadays.)

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I'll do better than all those. Breakfast at Tiffany's.

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I don't think so. Hepburn's character might have been a little manic, but she didn't solely exist for the writer—she went through her own metamorphosis.

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I agree with this assessment. I did at first think "Oh, here we go again" but actually her role was very different from the MPDG I feared. I can see why some would categorize her thus, but I don't believe she ticked the boxes for that and think she was a much more fleshed out character playing a very different role in plot and character development for the film.

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I really don't mind MPDG's at all, but Knightley needs to make this her last foray into the MPDG realm. I would have preferred a repeat performance by Zooey Deschanel in this film.

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Honestly, I didn't think she had that much MPDG in her. She had sprinkles, but she wasn't full fledged manic pixie dream girl. She had quirkiness, but she wasn't over the top or at the point where I felt like it was being shoved down my throat.

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"She had sprinkles, but she wasn't full fledged manic pixie dream girl."


Ah, but context is key. When the world's going to end in three weeks, and your main thought when escaping your apartment is preserving your precious LPs, rather than, say, the ipod that not only has your favorite music but pictures of your family and friends also... you're a MPDG through and through.

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Her speech about the beauty of vinyl surely answers that question for that. I didn't get a MPDG off her at all, she was just a girl who loved music in its pure form but kept making bad choices, kept spending time with people who didn't matter because she couldn't stand to be alone. She never taught Dodge anything, it was the fact that he found someone who he loved right now which changed him, not the safety-net of a childhood romance, but something new and scary. It was his letting go of fear and routine which 'saved' him. That's an internal epiphany, nothing to do with Penny.

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The hilarious video explaining girls with this condition - State Home for Manic Pixie Dream Girls: youtu.be/FBNss2PMj60

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The lady administrator at the State Home (the one carrying a clipboard) looks a lot like Missy Pyle, especially in manners and the way she speaks.

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"Her speech about the beauty of vinyl surely answers that question for that."

It could, if she were hosting a party and playing records. When you're running out of your apartment but stopping to carry out an armful of records, that's MPDG territory.


"It was his letting go of fear and routine which 'saved' him. That's an internal epiphany, nothing to do with Penny."

And JGL has an internal epiphany in (Unending) Days of Lameness. Zooey was still an MPDG in that movie.

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Their sentimental value in relation to her family was rather clearly laid out in the film.

There are definitely elements of MPDG but the movie never goes full bore with them. As others have pointed out, Penny doesn't save Dodge. Dodge saves Dodge. I don't think the two ever would have worked out long-term together but they were the right person at the right time for each other.

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Thank you for that; I think you're right on.

Personally I thought this was the best film of 2012 until I saw "Silver Linings Playbook."

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Too easy to place that label. Overused.

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Agreed, and I also think it somewhat misses the point anyway. There's only so much time to get across a story in your average movie. Generally these kinds of characters are in movies where there are a whole lot of zany ups and downs and whatnot, and the "MPDG" helps drive that. The exaggerated character helps to keep things moving along at a pace that wouldn't necessarily otherwise happen without skipping large chunks of time and then having to try explain how things changed over that period. It's like taking a normal person's lifetime of dreams and hopes, successes and failures, up and down times, small personal quirks, etc., and compressing it down into a... err... movie character waiting to happen? And like with any other kind of movie or character, some are done well, others make you wish you could punch people through the screen. It's certainly not restricted to the "MPDC" though.

Do you watch the old 80s/90s action movies going, "No way, ridiculous. No one man can go through that much carnage for days straight without sleeping, not to the mention several unattended wounds he probably should have died from somewhere along the way"?

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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManicPixieDreamGirl

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Katherine Hepburn in Bringing Up Baby immediately sprung to mind while reading this thread. That type of character has been around a LONG time. I don't mind them. Anything based on the Great Kate is fine with me.

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I read the link and though most of the films listed I have not seen, I was intrigued by this notion, until it listed Zooey's character in Summer in 500 Days of Summer and at that point the article lost all credibility; 500 Days of Summer is about unrequited love and the film clearly points out that his POV is not an accurate depiction of events... that is he thinks she is his dream girl, she's not so sure about it because of all of the fighting so she dumps him, moves out of town, and marries someone else and he was far more brooding after she dumps him than before. That's more of an anti-pixie as is Annie Hall (according to the Wikipedia article).

I disagree anyway for this film, he does as much for her as she does for him. They need each other as friends. Note for example that he abandons his own needs to be with her; For example, instead of getting back together with his highschool sweetheart he stays with her, and he sends her off to England to be with her family even though she is now the "love of my live". Does that make him a manic pixie dream guy?

Also she is clearly not shallow or solely focused on his happiness. Look at the scene where she finds the letter with the address of his highschool sweetheart. She is torn between her own need to be with him, and her friendship for him... so after some soul searching she gives him the letter (a beautifully done scene by the way with some some fabulous acting).

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Talking about Manic Pixie Dream Girl is now more cliche than the concept itself

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The Manic Pixie Dream Girl is okay by me as long as she is also a good actress. It's the ones who fail to inhabit and convey the depth of their characters that make me tired early in a film. There are some who are better at it than others. And those actors drive the film, and keep the film interesting. Also, they seem to always get their man, which implies that while the MPDG's purpose is to constantly frustrate the man, the man seems to think it's worth the trouble because at the end of the day, it's the craziest women who are the best lovers!
And most MPDG's are also beautiful. That's why they're called DREAM girls. All that aside, I don't see any of that chaotic ingredient of the MPDG in this film.
This character is simply young, 28, I believe she said. And her occupation was "dabbling." Also, she suffered from hypersomnia, serial monogamy, and was a self professed optimist. But when the waiters and waitresses at Friendsy's got too friendly, she was as freaked out as Dodge, so in that scene it seemed she was a little bit more grounded than an MPDG. Also she had a close relationship with a marine played by Derek Luke. And she was able to appreciate and enjoy mingling with friendly families of strangers in the beach scene. So, not manic, just young. Definitely a pixie with her gamin face and exceptional bone structure.
I was skeptical as to whether Knightley and Carrell would have chemistry, but they did...and it seemed natural, under the dreadful circumstances of waiting to explode into oblivion. I think Keira could play a really good MPDG if she was called upon to do so. But I don't think Penny was that character.

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There's not generally a heck of a lot of depth in the MPDG though.

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is that when a gal consumes too much sugar?



We have a pool and a pond...pond be good for you.

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Agreed, I love keira as an actress but this particular part was just...not great. Don't know if I just didn't like her character or the MPDG archetype in general...can't think of one ever played that I really enjoy. Unless you count Kate Winslet in Eternal Sunshine as one!?

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