Glaring omission


I can tell that this film is supposed to be some grand treatise about the evil of the Soviet Union, how it served as a model for Hitler and the Nazis, and how the two governments actively assisted one another. While I am no lover of Stalin and his actions, I do have a rather simple question: If the USSR and Nazi Germany were ideological and logistical allies, why did Germany invade the Soviet Union in June of 1941? This action, known as Operation Barbarossa, was only casually mentioned by the French professor interviewed for the film and never fully addressed in the narration.

Let me reiterate: I am no admirer of Josef Stalin. I make no denial of the Ukrainian Famine, the Katyn massacre, mass deportations, the Allied complicity in the Soviet subjugation of Eastern Europe after the War, or any other such atrocities. I understand that my words might make me sound like a Soviet apologist to some. But the question bears repeating: If Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were such good friends, why did Hitler invade? The film seems to have no answer.

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As soon as I finished writing the previous entry, I remembered that there is another, much better film which covers much of the same material. It is titled "World War II Behind Closed Doors" and I encourage anyone reading this to seek it out. You will hopefully find it informative and enlightening, whether or not you enjoyed Mr. Snore's film.

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well theres a fairly simply answer to that, and thats that the nazis were.... welll, nazis. they had the ultimate superiority complex, there systems were essentially identical the only difference being that communists believe in international socialism, and Nazis believe in national socialism... hence the name. the Nazis wanted to take over the world... literally... all of it. they had plans drawn up on how to invade south america and the USA. they developed the first stealth bomber and were ready to implement nuclear weapons to destroy NYC and Washington DC by 1947. they wanted to rule the world, hitler had intentions on being the new roman empire.. the third German Reich, and above all being the supreme leader of the world. they invaded the soviet union because they reallized that the soviets were gearing up for war against them anyways, and by that time they were running severely low on oil and the Soviets had lots of oil fields within a close distance of there borders in Poland.

so basically, they Nazi's invaded the USSR out of necessity, but they had no problem with it because they were Nazis and they thought they were better than everyone else and wanted to take over the world.

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The film is a story about Soviet Union, not about WW2 in general. The reason why Nazis invaded Soviet Union was because it was for them a Jewish State.

Play it again Frank, I don't give a damn.

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There is no glaring omission.
You seem a thoughtful person who considers different angles. Have you considered the oldest truth in humanity? Thieves fall out. There is no honor among thieves. Those who are driven by greed and lust for power will murder even their friends and "loved ones," if they perceive them a threat. Hitler invaded because the Ribbentop pact gave him the time he needed to build an army he thought would beat everyone. It almost did.

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Mr. Hirschman asks why would Hitler invade Stalin's domain, if the two were such good friends. The friendship was staged. They were using each other. In a speech to the Politburo, Stalin explained his strategy of helping unleash Nazi Germany to invade Western Europe to tie up the Western democracies in a long, stalemated war, and then, once the West was exhausted, to come in with the Red Army to liberate the "downtrodden workers" and win dominion over all of Europe. The Communist Revolution was always aimed at world conquest. The Red Army was stopped at the gates of Warsaw on their way to "liberate" Central Europe in 1920, but their goal remained intact. And Stalin never wavered from that goal.

Hitler, on the other hand, wanted a free hand to subue Poland and to defeat his western adversaries, which the Molotov-Ribbentrop Non-Agression Pact gave him. Stalin was in fact massing his vastly larger armies on the Reich's borders when the German invasion came. Any good numerical comparison of the Wehrmacht versus the Red Army at that time will demonstrate truly overwhelming firepower and manpower favoring the Reds. Correct, Mr. Hirschman, Hitler always intended to take Ukraine for German Lebensraum -- as he clearly stated in Mein Kampf. With Germany strong and surprisingly victorious in the West and with the Red Army buildup, both dictators had to accelerate their timetables of invasion. With the Red Army shock troops suspiciously positioned to take Romania's oil fields, which supplied the Reich with 60% of its fuel, the time for a lighting surprise blow against the Soviet Union had arrived. Now or never!

The two dictators were never friends, but merely used each other. It's an interesting historical question of how outfoxed whom.

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Hitler and Stalin was never friends. Thats nothing but a bunch of right winged propaganda. Hitler and Stalin were bitter enemies even before World War 2. Hitler had to explain himself when he decided to pact with Stalin. His ministers almost dropped their jaws when they heard of this pact. The pact was nothing but strategic. Hitler wanted to keep Soviet out of the way so that he could take over Europe and defeat France and Britain without having to deal with Soviet.

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So your question is, why do seemingly "allied" States war with one another? For the same reason why lords, monarchs, and despots fought one another in earlier centuries (in spite of being homogenous in their beliefs and goals): The State by its nature is an aggressor. There is no magic mystery answer that need go any farther than this.

Two friends who are partners in crime may find their arrangement mutually beneficial for the time being, yet at some point the relationship always breaks down. Why? Because between partners who are devoid of any ethical responsibility (already implicit in their job choice) there is always that unspoken willingness to backstab when the opportunity presents itself.

So to be dumbfounded as to why the Nazis attacked the Soviets, is like being confused when "Bank Robber A" kills "Bank Robber B" for the larger portion of the steal.

A criminal acts the criminal.

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lol :-D thumbs up

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