Interviews with canonical sources: history professors from Russia, United States and England. Snore does his homework and backs it up with real evidence. Russians will have you fooled that it is all fabricated. The truth is the Russians don't know reality if it bit them in the ass. It's a country of cloak and daggers - where more oft than naught you'll find that you've been stabbed in the back.
shareJust seen it, and indeed it appears well-documented. It wIll make anybody question the mainstream views on WWII and nazism and communism.
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let me guess, russian? ;)
share1930's German propaganda films about Russia would probably picture how well things were done in a country that was their ally.
Play it again Frank, I don't give a damn.
Well, since the Nazi's were virulently anti-socialist I higly doubt taht.
This documentary was a disgrace.
"Well, since the Nazi's were virulently anti-socialist I higly doubt taht. "
Yes, the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party was "virulently anti-socialist." That's why NAZI is the acronym for it, including the word 'Socialist.'
There's very little leftists won't lie about.
Maybe you should go read your history. You seem to be terrible at it. Lol Soviet were allies of Nazi Germany? HAHAHAHAHA!! They hated eachothers guts and made hate propaganda againts eachother all the time. I have even seen a Soviet anti-Nazi Germany film on youtube.
But sure, they did make some agreements to eachother in 1939. But that was only a strategic alliance. Hitler's people were very surprised when they heard that Hitler wanted to make an agreement with the Soviet. Hitler even had to explain himself to them.
Funny how Russians say that facism and nazism is spreading in europe from Lithunia, Ukraine and Estonia even though statistically Russia has probably a lot more neo-nazis.
shareThe truth is the Russians don't know reality if it bit them in the ass
Your grandfather was an NKVD lieutenant? How many innocent people did he murder?
Somewhere around 0. He was attached to an infantry unit to serve a role as infantry officer and political commisar. I can't remember the Russian word for these soldiers, but they were expected to enforce Soviet law upon the soldiers under their command. The only Soviet person my grandfather ever shot was a corporal in his unit who had beaten another soldier and called him a "filthy Jew". My grandfather didn't speak much about his time in the RKKA before he died, but what he did mention is that he also executed several SS officers who were found guilty of committing pogroms in the Ukraine. So, it's up to you to decide if they were "innocent" or not.
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Not to mention how utterly offensive it is that you're denigrating my grandfather's sacrifice in the war against Nazism. I don't mind that you are opposed to communism, but only a fascist would make such a rediculous statement. I don't go around insulting Western veterans of the Second World War, because they served tirelessly to defeat fascism. But none of them had to go through what my grandfather did; fighting for four years without relief, only to find out that his father, mother, sisters and brother had all been reduced to eating the wallpaper in their home before starving to death during the siege of Leningrad. If you're a Nazi sympathiser just say so right now; if not, you certainly sound like one, and should re-evalutate your perspective.
shareHey. Don't let fools like the previous idiot get you defensive. These people have no idea what they're talking about. They have no idea what people had to go through during that horrific time. They think it's a crisis and panic if their damn power goes out for an hour. My Ukrainian grandparents with my mother and her sister(my aunt) as very small children, fled Ukraine during the invasion of the Nazis traveling by foot at night, hiding in haystacks during the day while fleeing in the same direction as the Germans. How scary is that? Do people today even realize what that would be like to leave everything in order to save your life and the lives of your family? When they finally got to Germany, the only thing that saved them was my grandfather was also half German and he was an educated man. They never really talked of the horrors of wartime, only that they hated war. They just kept feeding us grandkids constantly,lol. Seriously, ofcourse afterwards, they were all in a Displaced Persons camp for a few years suffering lack of food, filthy conditions, running for cover during air raids. Can you even imaging being a young child, coming out after a raid to see the unfortunates that didn't take cover in time? To see the image of a playmate's mother dead, being dragged by her feet with her long hair trailing in the dirt with her child crying for her? I don't apologize for feeling that most people in this great country of ours don't appreciate the privilages we have here in the United States. However, someone made a comment on the board, ( In conclusion, watching this documentary will form critical approach towards similarities of Communism and Nazism.) Well, you know what? I think people should take heed of history, especially some issues that seem to be proposed by THIS adminstration. Anyway, it was the Ukrainian Orthodox Church that sponsored them and many others to the United States in 1949. By the way, Goverment had no hand in giving these families ANYTHING at all. No handouts, just hard, honest work and an intense appreciation and love for their new counrty that promised freedom and liberty. I didn't mean to go on so but all these years later, now that my grandparents are gone, I just wish I knew back then what I know now so I could thank them for the life they gave me by taking the risk they did.
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Im a westerner, UK in fact, and we were taught about the horrors the russian people went through during the war and in Leningrad especially and how heroic the people and soldiers were, wall paper and everything. So I don't know where the above idiot is from but don't assume he is a fascist, he may be just less educated (although I see that as one of the requirements of being a fascist).
Anyway props to your grandfather.
I know the post is a few months old, but thanks for bringing some insight into this conversation and sharing some personal details.
I cannot imagine living through such a seige that you would eat your cats before wallpaper and starving - but in my research I have come across several such stories and everything that I have learned jibes with my overall impression of your post.
There is no question that the Soviet union was a MAJOR part of liberating Europe; probably more so than the rest of the allies. Without the Soviets (though they weren't perfect and did treat the German civilians, particularly the women quite brutally) in their massive numbers and the soviet winter, WWII would have been drastically different and not in a good way.
I think the post insinuating that your grandfather murdered people was out of line. Not all people in the NKVD were murderous martinets any more than all agents of the CIA are or were.
One thing I will say regarding the pre WII, WWII and "cold war" years is that many people have told me that it's close to impossible for someone who grew up in America to understand what it was like to grow up and live under such a regime - It was complex, and they have told me people tend to usually look upon it in a very pro-western, simplistic black and white way which doesn't take any of that complexity into account.
I cannot comment on this particular doc yet as I haven't seen it yet, I came here to read the reviews and see what it is all about. I'm looking forward to seeing this documentary. I am sure I will have something to post afterward.
I have nothing but respect for the foot soldiers of the Red Army and the civilians who lost their lives and homes defeating Hitler. But stop there. Don't say that the political entity that was the USSR liberated Europe, because by any honest, informed person's lights, the Soviets merely replaced the tyranny of Nazism with the tyranny of Communism.
shareThe truth is - either people in Russia live in fear or they live in total blindness believing everything that their lying and murderous government says. I have recommended all my friends in US and Canada to watch the horrible truth about our history and the reality of Soviet/Russia history. Mister Putin - a coward, a liar, a murderer and extremely small-minded person strives this country again towards the hell praising the Stalin regime. Too bad for the people of Russia and the entire world.
shareThe original poster may be right, people here are discussing the ordeals of World War II rather than the more pertinent subject matter of genocide, torture, relocation etc.
The collaboration with the Nazis further cements the Kremlin's reputation as a criminal enterprise, maybe if they had refused to co-operate the the Nazi threat would have been contained. Although it should be mentioned that the Nazis were heavily financed by US industrialists so there's a lot of blame to spread around for the lives lost during WWII.
Dear friends, I am a Romanian from Eastern Europe and I lived under the boot of this catastrophe of the XX-th century named The Soviet Union (or the Russian Empire). I lived under an oppressive communist regime and can certify the terror on most of the population and the destruction of entire social classes! Every bit of this film is true. The Russian "friends" have literally obliterated local populations from large chunks of territories in Eastern Europe and replaced them with ethnic invasion Russians. See the case of eastern part of Romania, now the former soviet Republic of Moldavia, the case of the Baltic Countries were up to 40% of the population is Russian, the Eastern Poland now part of Ukraine etc...
When the Russians came in my grandmothers village they killed hundreds civilians and those peasants who could, ran into woods and Mountains. Shortly after the Communists took the power with the help of the Russians invaders, my grandfather, who was a rich peasant with a lot of land was beaten almost to death to give up his properties won through many years of hard work. He died several years later because of the illnesses from those beatings. Hundreds of thousands of doctors, lawyers, judges, writers, politicians, business owners, diplomats... all that this country had best, have been killed in jails. All was copied in Romania and in all the communist regimes after the Stalin's methods.
It would be a terrible loss for the Humanity to forget what the Soviet Union really meant, a genocidal system as never before. Thanks God the Russian Empire is DEAD. I sincerely wish that something so abominable never recovers.
Stalin was the biggest mass murderer in the entire World and restoring his image anywhere in the world is brazen and shameful. The real figure of civil victims of the former USSR is around 50 million to 60 million people of all nationalities within the empire, including Russians.
You hit the nail on the head!
The FSB is more powerful today than the KGB ever was and it has more spies than the KGB ever had. I think I read that it's about one spy for every 250 people living in Russia. That's a lot of spies, spying on the population.
Read the news today about all those state sponsored assassinations of journalists and people who investigate/critique the Russian government.
An FSB agent was found guilty and got 2 years in a minimum security prison for "accidently" shooting a journalist in his car. No one else was charged nor arrested in this assassination, I bet ya dollars to donuts he'll be pardoned by Putin.
(A court in southern Russia has convicted a policeman of involuntary homicide in the death of a journalist critical of the government. The former head of a local police chief's guard service today received a two-year sentence for shooting journalist Magomed Yevloyev in 2008; Yevloyev's relatives, who claim the killing was premeditated, reacted angrily to the light sentence. Yevloyev ran a website that reported on abuses, abductions and killings in the southern Ingushetia province.)
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I wonder what the outcome would of been if the FBI had of investigated this heinous crime, with all their forensic abilities/technologies...GSR, ballistics tests etc.
saeedjango says: "Snore does his homework and backs it up with real evidence."
The proof of Stalin´s treachery has been documented long before this film came along so "Snore´s homework" need be nothing more than watching footage of documentary films available to anyone at all.
As far as his assertion that fundamental Communist priciples demand the mass murder of its citizens, he´s given NO EVIDENCE at all! It looks to me that he´s merely repeated the bed time stories that his babushka told him when he was a wee child. Furthermore, and worse yet, is that he maintains that anyone backing Communist philosophy does so not "despite" Stalin-orderd killing but "BECAUSE OF IT"! I say send Snore to the gullag where he can snore all he likes for the next 100 years for spreading missinformation.
The chief mission of all other races and peoples, large and small, is to perish in the revolutionary holocaust." -Karl Marx Die Neue Rheinische Zeitung NZR January 1849
Interviews with canonical sources: history professors from Russia, United States and England. Snore does his homework and backs it up with real evidence.
The truth is the Russians don't know reality if it bit them in the ass.
Yet many Russians, socialists, and communists will lecture other people on their countries. It goes without saying that people know far more about their own nation, culture, and history than some prejudiced, hate-filled people from some loser Russian controlled country.
shareWatch the Chekist, if you can.
It's really hard to watch.
You'll use the pause button quite often.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103949/
As someone once wrote here, watching it, is like driving past a horrific car accident, you just have to look but can't tear your eyes away.
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There is one really humourous scene.
Any idea where I can find The Chekist? It's not available at amazon, ebay, netflix, etc.
shareHi guys, I'm from Croatia, a country which used to be a part of Yugoslavia in south-eastern Europe. I've just watched this doc and would like to share some of my views.
Firstly, at the end of the movie a person called Ratko Mladic is shown together with the Russian representative to NATO. One might get the impression that Mr. Mladic is also Russian. He's not. He is a Serb from Bosnia who is indicted by the Hague Tribunal for war crimes (genocide according to the ICJ rulling a couple of years ago) in Srebrenica, eastern Bosnia in July 1995. The man ordered the killings of 8000 Muslim men (civilians and POW's). Although the autor of this movie mentions that he did that it is not clear where these killings took place.
That much about my first hand experience as I've lived through the war in ex-Yugoslavia in the early 90's. The said Mr. Mladic is still at large hiding somewhere in Serbia (there are some who claim he even found a safe heaven in Russia, but I don't wanna speculate on that.) However, that Russian ambassador to NATO wasn't the only Russian official who backed the war criminals in Serbia and Bosnia at that time.
Having said that, I fully agree with the Latvian director's statement at the start of the movie. Communism is just another utopia. We have seen it in ex-Yugoslavia. It just perpetuates the hathred and killings. Nazis, their Croatian backers the Ustashe, then Stalinist-Communists, then Tito's socialists after the brake-up with Stalin...all of these regimes killed political oponents or even members of other nationalities because they were Serbian, Roma, Jewish, Croatian...and plundered my land. And their mouth were full of great ideas of freedom and progress. That was the story in whole of Eastern Europe. We haven't dealt properly with the legacy of WW2. The communists were showing their "truth". And the hate and revenge lived on. And this is the reason why so many neo-nazis are showing up, they were just put in a kind of an icebox and they just re-animated themselves today. Us Croatians have felt those horrors once again at the end of the 20th century - adding another utopia to the list - ethnically cleansed onenation-states.
So, I guess, there's a valuable lesson to learn from this movie. Mankind should be smart enough not to let lunatics who in their nature are legalised criminals perform social experiments on their people. Cause it usually spells only two words - HORROR and INJUSTICE. Democracy isn't perfect but it atleast stops people from filling new graves with bodies of innocent men and women.
Greetz!!