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Why most of russian people will call this movie a propaganda


It's very simple - because most the so called "history books" that are being used in Russian schools, have been rewritten to accommodate "Russian translation" of Word War 2.
So basically every russian who hasn't read any other history books than their own, automatically thinks this movie is a lie and a propaganda.

And this isn't just a theory of mine, read all about it via Google - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rewriting+russian+history


And another interesting thing is that almost everyone who says this movie is a propaganda, starts to talk about how the soviet army did this and that to defeat the nazis, as in the movie said otherwise. But when in fact the movie was telling about instances where soviets were cooperating with nazis and at the time of war deporting their own people as well people form Baltic states to Siberia etc etc.

The movie did not once say that the soviet army in the end did not bring down the nazis, yes it did, this movie isn't denying that. But still, all the haters start to talk about how the soviets defeated the nazis.. :S

But in fact the point of this movie was to show people the cruel acts that were commited during the war by the soviets, not how the war ended.

And many of these facts haven't made their way to the school history books because it could raise some serious issues especially between European countries and Russia and former don't want that because many of them are on a smaller or bigger degree economically dependent on Russia.




To haters - Im not even going to argue with you. Arguing with a russian-loving is like trying to convince a muslim suicide terrorist that blowing himself up doesn't mean he goes to heaven and get his 72 virgins.

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very well put.
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:To haters - Im not even going to argue with you:



You're stupid. You like "I have an opinion but every person that has another opinion - don't answer me" - What the purpose of your post?

By the way , you say that the history was rewritten in russian way , have you any idea how many history facts were rewritten during Cold War by United States?

C'mon , it's politics , don't try to present this piece of sh*t , sorry , this movie like it's some sort of documentary

Anyway , you're more likely a teenager who hasn't any idea how the world works - grow up

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To: suckamerica

Do you really think this movie is a 'piece of sh*t'??

Dear friend, I am a Romanian from Eastern Europe and I lived under the boot of this catastrophe of the XX-th century named The Soviet Union (or the Russian Empire). I lived under an oppressive communist regime and can certify the terror on most of the population and the destruction of entire social classes! Every bit of this film is true. The Russian "friends" have literally obliterated local populations from large chunks of territories in Eastern Europe and replaced them with ethnic invasion Russians. See the case of eastern part of Romania, now the former soviet Republic of Moldavia, the case of the Baltic Countries were up to 40% of the population is Russian, the Eastern Poland now part of Ukraine etc...

Stalin was the biggest mass murderer in the entire World and restoring his image anywhere in the world is brazen and shameful. The real figure of civil victims of the former USSR is around 50 million to 60 million people of all nationalities within the empire, including Russians.

P.S. We are not talking about America here. Please refer to the subject of the movie and bring proofs it is a lie and don't come with the tricky answers as "you're a criminal too" or "C'mon, it's politics".
Even if they (USA) falsified some events of their recent history, there is no talking of them committing GENOCIDES in the XX-th century. They don't come even near to the communists and the nazis. There are plenty of documentaries criticizing the Americans too, but please don't derail from the subject of this discussion.

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Uhm look up El Salvador Guatemala, Chile Argentina Uruguay, Not to mention the million we starved in Iraq in the 90's or the million we've killed in Iraq since 2003, 2 million in Vietnam. If all the victims of our puppet dictators in Latin America, Africa, and Asia during the cold war were added up you can be sure we've killed a comparable number of people.

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Very well said. Sir.

I like Armageddon. A lot.

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SuckAmerica is another useful idiot, brainwashed by post-Soviet media. He cannot even fathom that his nation killed tens of millions of people, and that fascism, the supposed enemy of communism, is rising in Russia.

You are the one that doesn't know how the real world works.

If anything, he may be the sort of barbarian that supports the murderous crimes in this video. That is why he is probably protesting, because he agrees with it.

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" ... have you any idea how many history facts were rewritten during Cold War by United States?"

NO. I DON'T THINK HE HAS ANY IDEA about it.

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I do find it interesting how the obviously left leaning reviews are so upset.....
It makes me want to believe the movie reveals more than they want us to know about the link between communism and eugenics. If I were a mass murdering power hungry dictator, I wouldn't want the masses that I intended to kill or enslave to know my plans either.....

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It's simply the history of the victors: had the Nazis won this had been the precept of history and their holocaust had been a distant myth.

Play it again Frank, I don't give a damn.

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It is ironic that Churchill's told that, the man who starved 6-7 million Indians to death.
for more info: http://www.countercurrents.org/polya230109.htm
But the quote is very good, that's why the history is never 'true', but it's important to spread the information and to not only learn about your own country history.
And the problem of world war II and Cold War is that there is no good or bad countries, there's only bad and worst. I personally think that Hitler and Stalin are equally evil and USA are still bad but less evil.

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2Apu - what necessarily makes you think that if Germans won at that time, there would be no research done in tens of years to disclose the Holocaust, and if Germans themselves didn't develop a sense of national guilt, wouldn't there still be enough powers outside in other countries that would find it out and force them to admit to Holocaust so the whole world will know about it respectably so?

I mean - how exactly can you hide the fact of killing millions just like that?

And if Germany today still feels national guilt over WW2 AND we know they lost it, why would they not feel it even if they won, like after the death of Hitler in, say, the late 1960s?

I mean even at the time, I'm sure, there were plenty of ordinary and powerful Germans who were AGAINST Hitler and his dominating plans. So they DID have a conscience then even before they lost.

Why would they all of a sudden not have it if Hitler won?

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Hi, Indiepoo.

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Can I ask a few questions?

How do we, personally, know who is telling the truth, given that different countries (and I gather that Russia is NOT the only one here, right?) have different approaches to teaching different sides of history?

How do we know, for instance, where propaganda lies and where ACTUAL truth lies? And how exactly can and do history books get "re-written" to accomodate one's "own" version of truth?

Also - do you personally believe that, say, the people who write Russian history books and leave a lot of (negative) details out, do so because they KNOW something is wrong but can't help but hide it (whatever the reasons are, probably political above others but maybe others as well) or could it actually be that they DON'T KNOW certain details, because if they DID, wouldn't at least some resources, perhaps more well-known in smaller circles, in Russia or otherwise, write about it?

I mean, there are just some things that CANNOT be completely concealed from the public eye, right?

And when people say history is written by the winners or something to that extent, can I ask - does that necessarily HAVE to mean that such winners who write history must ensure their work is laden with bias, deceits, half-truths, overt glamorization of this and leaving out facts of that, propaganda etc etc etc and why OR could it simply be that they cannot HELP IT due to some kind of political or MAYBE even social circumstances, and do they ever fear that in future, the truth will be revealed and that such writers will be condemned further more as liars and traitors and the kind of evil worse than evil on grounds that they successfully attempted to CONCEAL their evil from their country's or even the world's eyes for many years if not outright DECADES? Or do they never think that far ahead? (Then again, bit of black humor there - I bet some 70 years ago those people did not even think that today the internet would be invented and have users investigate truths for their own and engage in their own condemnation here and there, among many OTHER things.)

So who IS telling the ACTUAL truth in this global information war on history and even if we cannot pick either sides as good or bad, how can we end up picking what's called a lesser evil and assume the position that, perhaps in a grand scheme, one side was more moral than the other, just how honest with ourselves both CAN and SHOULD we be?

And once again - does any OTHER country, besides Russia, regardless of how much it is or isn't true, have history books "re-written" in order to accomodate their OWN version of truth - whatever the reason(s) and why, and bearing this in mind, where can and SHOULD we go in order to learn the actual truth and form our own correct opinions? Or is Russia unique on the world's radar in their own historical bias?

Anyone know and do any Russians want to shade some personal light on any of this? Thanks!

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