lil cubanita, i won't spend much time at all responding to your post, not only because you have me so badly misplaced as a "douche", but because of the disrespect you showed towards my view of things. If you want to see a douche bag, i highly recommend www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com. For a better representation of who I am, strip down the goofy behavior, tattoos, stupid facial hair, sunglasses indoors and spray tans. The only thing I do that could even be considered as a "douche" trait would be that I lift weights and exercise to stay healthy and improve who I am, and wear the occasional graphic t-shirt, but because I like the design. So there's your view of who I am, thanks for the time of your response. Make sure next time you know who I am before you jump to conclusions mat.
kami-c. I will try to answer your post as best I can, as I cannot see your post at the same time as I am writing this.
-I'm glad you don't judge people, and are friends regardless of skin color. I give everyone a chance regardless of who they are (though admittedly I'm hesitant with some people based on the way they carry themselves...i.e a shady looking guy with a trench coat...sorry, got to keep myself safe, and I'm unwilling to risk said safety if I deem the person may be dangerous. I'd like to think I'm a decently good judge of character) But honestly, I do know what I'm talking about. I wouldn't form an opinion this strong without a reason. I understand there are exceptions to rules, and you seem like a nice person, but unfortunately, and even you can admit, there are a lot of bad eggs that ruin it for people like you.
-I understand that you're different because of the whole skin thing and a few other physical differences, but how different does that really make someone? Doesn't mean they have to act differently than everybody else. Sorry to say, but if you've ever seen south park, the best way I can describe it to you (and no, this didn't form my opinion) is the way Chef explained it to Mr. Garrison when black people came up with some form of slang, and white people would copy off that slang, so black people would try to stay ahead of the white people as far as slang went to create that separation between whites and blacks. As long as black people feel a need to continue to separate themselves from white people, that's all there will be...separation. I just wish people wouldn't try to distance themselves from one another, and everyone could get along. But there is so much of a gap between people like myself, and the typical thug wannabe that I'm speaking about. No, not every black person does this, but it's obviously common enough that I would mention it.
-I don't understand where I said racism no longer exists. It surely does, but the way I see it now, black people tend to be more racist nowadays than white people are. (Though there are still racist white people, clearly.) I know everyone tries to legitimize this in favor of the black population, but take the presidential election as an example. Black people had statistically low voter turnout, and the year a black man runs, the black voter turnout was huge, and I guarantee it wasn't in favor of McCain. Now in order for Obama to win, he couldn't just have black support. The amount of white supporters, and people who voted for who they saw as the best candidate was very high. I'm really curious as to how many black people voted for McCain. I know no black let alone a guy that's partially black has ever been a major candidate for president before, but there were so many things wrong with that election. (for the record, I don't care for politics and think the majority of the government is out of touch with the American public)
-I don't think I've ever seen blacks being excluded from anything. If anything there has been inclusion of black people in nearly everything for a while. There were a ton of mostly black sitcoms in the past decades: Cosby Show, Fresh-Prince, Family Matters, Those Tyler Perry sitcoms on TBS, Sister Sister, Kenan and Kel and Moesha just to name a few. So I'm not seeing how black people still feel excluded for things. The public is embracing the black population more than ever. I don't see why there's animosity anymore. These times are the best for any minority to live in. A lot of the racism that exists nowadays is stupid, petty things, like that Rooney Rule (requiring black coaches be interviewed in the NFL) a talk show person like Don Imus "insulting" a woman's basketball team or stuff like that.
-Schools that appear to be segregated nowadays are because of the minorities (read the paragraph before you assume the meaning behind that sentence). When black students see themselves as being different from white people is when that segregation occurs. When there is that discomfort, the black students tend to migrate towards each other black students so they don't have to feel awkward. It's a shame that this happens, and I'm sure it's the same for white students in city schools where the population is mostly black. The area I'm from is unique in that there are wealthy areas, like where I went to school, and then several schools that are polar opposites just a few miles away. I've heard at some of those less fortunate schools black students harass and jump white students, and I'm sure they're in the same financial situation. I never saw any hateful acts carried through in my mostly white school. If anything the kids did what they could to make those students feel at home. I understand these city schools are in rough areas, but no one is forced to act violent, and anyone has the will power to be a good individual. I see that there is a difference, but I'm a no excuses kind of guy. I was always told never to make excuses when I was younger, as I used to think I should get a pass pertaining to me being smaller than a lot of people. I eventually learned to do everything I could to get stronger and never make excuses for myself again. So there's no excuse to act violently.
I appreciate your side of the argument, but this is just the way I see things, and I think anyone that truly reads this long post will find many points to agree with. I by no mean think every single black person is bad, and in fact my frustration comes from the the media or whoever is involved insisting on never letting the race issue die. Since it's being kept alive and well, I felt this was an opportunity for me to express my view of the situation and the problems this truly causes towards never letting the race issue die. I understand there's a long history of black people being treated the way they were, but I want to go from black people, white people, mexican people, asian people to just "Americans"
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kami-c
14 years ago
It seems to me that you are coming from a baised pointed of view. I do respect your opinion, I just feel that you will never understand our situation fully because you are not Black. Although you say that you judge people on an individual basis you are still making generalizations about people based on a few incidents (like the one you mentioned about blacks attacking white at a high school). Furthermore, how could you use an example from "Southpark" to make a point about what Black people feel? "Southpark" does NOT speak for Black people. I'm also tired of people complaining about the Obama election. The president is Black, ok. Why the whining? It's not the end of the world. I also think it is interesting that you are blaming the segregation on the minorities. We didn't start it. Yes some prefer to stick to their own, but that is because they have been made to feel uncomfortable (most likely by someone of another race/class). Lastly, I don't appreciate being referred to as, "people like you". I thought I was an
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totallyfly
14 years ago
-The mention of south park wasn't an example, but rather just the best way to tell you about what I was speaking about. I couldn't think of a good way to explain what I was trying to say, so I thought that would clear things up.
-The president is half black and half white to clear things up.
-I'm unsure you read the segregation being caused by minorities thing very well. This could refer to black students in a mostly white school or white students in a mostly black school. White students in a mostly black school are the minority as well.
-And when people start worrying about really vague statements such as "people like you" is when problems start. First off, I don't know where I said it or how I said it, second of all I guarantee it wasn't used how you think it was. If I said it, it was probably referring to politically correct people (which I think political correctness is one of downfalls of free speech) So don't get upset over that.
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kami-c
14 years ago
I'm not upset, just felt that my intelligence was being insulted. And yes, I know that Obama is biracial...Why did you feel the need to mention that? Regardless, it is obvious that you have some issues with Black people. The fact of the matter is, your original post was a setup to start a never ending dialogue and push your own agenda. We can go back and forth about this forever, but I choose to leave you off with this cliched statement: "Never judge a book by it's cover." Although overused, it is a true statement. One can only hope that an enire race of people will not always be judged based on a few negative incidents (this goes for any race, not just Black people).
Peace and Love.
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totallyfly
14 years ago
Like i said before, everyone gets a chance to prove what kind of person they are.
Peace and Love.
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makawahi
13 years ago
Kami, well said.
I decided to read this thread because I thought it was a discussion of the overt stereotypes in the movie, rather than cleverly handling the whole divergent culture issues.
OP, I have only read about half of what you have written because it goes on and on, without a succinct point. Getting into a huff about a movie that did not included "white people" when the plot was not related to it, is so not an issue. As to BET and ethnic/racially-bases awards, so what. There are gads of awards out there for any type of special group or reason you can think of.
You know that sound Goofy makes when he falls? That's my quote.
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