Propagandistic Trash


There is something stupid about humans meddling with nature for wealth and energy exploration - poisoning our natural commons when alternative energy is here.

Without considering the cyclical nature of existence, in particular the Sun, one falls into folly of believing that collective human activity is the cause. Fact in point: Why is ice melting on other planets in our solar system?

My opinion on alternative energy is simple: Don't rely on some corporation to offer up turn key solutions. Its time I did it myself and encourage all mavericks to do the same.

We are beautiful, spiritual humans caught in a world of forced scarcity, perpetrated upon all by a misdirected elite hell bent upon retaining their power. We are not ants consuming everything.

For parents: Time to remove all TV's and start home schooling your beautiful children for if you cannot see the underlying messages of media then perhaps you may gladly accept your carbon tax.

I wish all could see that al gore (Bilderberg attendee) is a lying con man. I wish the makers of this film could move past their misconceptions and if they, like gore, are perpetrators of misinformation, then I wish them a slow freezing death.

reply

This would be the worst con ever... Who's profiting off of it? There are so many easier cons you could pull. (Saddam Hussein having WMDs spring to mind).

I mean, come on. Consider the fact that "ExxonMobil has funneled nearly $16 million between 1998 and 2005 to a network of 43 advocacy organizations that seek to confuse the public on global warming science"

http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/global_warming/exxon_report.pdf

reply

Climate gate is here:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/

reply

"Climategate" just further proves the point that the "skeptics" are a joke.

First off, let's have us a look at the author of the linked blog shall we? He's obviously very conservative, with a strong dislike for Obama and liberals. I mean, "How to be Right: The Essential Guide to Making Lefty Liberals History", really? He's obviously very biased.

Then we look at the actual "Climategate". I think RealClimate's quote was pretty awesome: "There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to 'get rid of the MWP' [Medieval Warm Period], no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no 'marching orders' from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords."

The only people who seem to have taken "Climategate" seriously are people who were "skeptics" against global warming long before "Climategate". So people who have been denying global warming all along, probably quoting groups that ExxonMobil funded to confuse the public, took "Climategate" as the evidence they've been looking for all these years? Wow, that's a shocker.

The least biased newspaper or organization I found on the side of claiming "Climategate" disproves climate change, was the Washington Post, which has a long history of distorting facts and reality to appease conservatives and 'skeptics' of global warming.

In short? The only people claiming "Climategate" proves something are people who have a record of distorting facts for the simple reason that they dislike Obama, Gore, and all liberals.

reply

Brainwashed automatons always seem to think anyone against the tripe being strewn about by the puppet masters are right-wing extremists who hate Obama. Why is that? It's the same type of phenomena we see in the blind worship of climate change blowhards like Al Gore. If you believe politicians like Obama and Gore have the answer to anything...well, I hope one day you'll snap out of your trance and begin to think for yourself.

This film is just another one-sided pile of steaming propaganda. I don't give a hoot in hell who was behind this lie infested fantasy flick. If Jesus was the executive producer I would still have a problem with it. If you believe these jackasses then you are more than welcome to pay my share of the carbon tax.

reply

Please die

reply

Who's profiting?

The enormous crowd of people who are now basing their everyday lives around working with Global Warming.

You'd shut down an entire industry of science if you had to admit the truth. That humans represent only 4% of the global carbon dioxide usage. A volcano erupting releases more CO2 into our ozone than USA does in a year (and Americans are the most poluting nation on the face of this planet).

I'm by no means advocating the continuation of the gluttony America is displaying. But there's a limit to how many lies I'll live with the public swallowing because the intentions are good. Because yes - we should try and preserve this earth better, but not because otherwise it might kill us all. Instead we should do it for the sake of our children and grand children.

But once against capitalistic interests enforce whatever suits their intended profit gain. Even with all the hoax of global warming, nothing is really being done. Carbon taxes? Are you kidding? You think you can pay yourself out of this issue?
It'll just give rich people another reason to stay leasurely rich, because there's another means of consumption that must be met with payment. The only people this will actually force into a different route is not the actual sinners. It's another means to exterminate the middle class and force more every day people into the working class.

American Dream indeed...
Hoarding oil and petrol only gives you a higher chance to ignite yourselves. Just like hoarding money only gives you a higher chance to lose your connection to your human race and therein lose any track of empathy you might've been left with.

reply

Watch this "The Great Global Warming Swindle" and respond.

reply

Seen it.

reply

The fossil fuel industry is waaaaaay bigger, and richer! get a life!

reply

$16 million is nothing.


Look at Al Gore's personal net worth now as opposed to what it used to be.

I have been told that it has gone from $2 or $4 million up to $100 million.

Admittedly, I do not know how to verify this.

However I do believe that there is very very good money in climate change. Entire industries will be started up from scratch and those who can invest on the ground floor stand to make billions of dollars. Meanwhile, old industries will be shut down and people will lose businesses and jobs and homes.

Those "scientist's" and "politician's" and "activists" who are trying very very hard to ram all of the changes through in a short amount of time stand to actually make money. I don't believe that any of them face prospects of making less money, let alone losing jobs or businesses or homes.

I agree with the need for conservation and to take better care of the earth, but there is a need for balance. and perspective. It also needs to be paced properly.

Also, many of the same scientists who are on the global warming band wagon were on the global cooling bandwagon in the 70's. They've been wrong before.

I do agree in the direction that they want us to go, just not the speed.








reply

Hi, Indiepoo.

reply

i couldnt agree more,al gores movie was chock full of lies and miscalculations and this is just going to be more of the same...
follow the $$$$ and see were big money men are putting there dollars and you will know that this is pure business "going Green" means big $$$$$$$$
facts are are facts and one day a volcano puts out more CO2 than all man made CO2 from the dawn of the industrial revolution.
humans are so arrogant to think we are significant enough to save or destroy this planet,i hate to be the bearer of bad news but were an arrogant race of people to think by lifestyle changes and saving your plastic bottles ans electric cars will save this world,this world will keep right on rolling along only we wont be here for the ride,and that has no bearing at all on anything we as a human civilization have done.

check out some great documentries in regards to the truth about global warming"called"the great global warming swindle" produced by the BBC and "global warming:doomsday called off",plenty of hard facts that the mainstream media does not care for the public to know.
inconvienient truth had 9 factual errors proven and yet the mainstream media does nothing to correct mr gore the fat cheeseburger munching,hypocryte flying on his personal jet plane using 12 times what the average american uses in energy consumption...and when some swedish documentry maker calls him out on his 9 factual errors at a conference he has the journo's mike turned off and has him ejected from the building,cant question authority???i dont know how it works elsewere but mr gore knows in America that out very 1st ammendment right as citizens,the right to free speech,i guess since he was of in scandinavia somewere making his millions the rules dont apply to the hypocrite any longer.all these do-gooders better get there facts straight before they rush to save the world like some half assed super hero,heres a tip,live a good clean life,dont litter,do the right thing but dont be so arrogant to think when a volcano spits out more CO2 in a day than every bit of C02 since the industrial revolution day one that we can change anything,now just go on and be good little boys and girls.live clean,dont be a pig and drop this nonsense about man made CO2...we have had some of coldest winters in years by the way and the record # of hurricanes as predicted this year never happened..its all best guess???just live clean as best you can,take care of yourself and your family and stop the crusade to save the planet,she will be fine,unless an asteriod hits us buts that another story..right

reply

"facts are are facts and one day a volcano puts out more CO2 than all man made CO2 from the dawn of the industrial revolution. "

That's just lying. The US Geological Survey states that human activities release more then 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes, thats like the equivalent of more then 8000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea.

Get your facts straight. The great global swindle has been debunked completely and is filled with lies. Two scientists who appear in that movie even said so. They were lied to and didn't even know what that "documentary" was all about.
It is pure propaganda.

Going green indeed means creating $. What's wrong with creating new industries? It is called capitalism.

My apologies if there are mistakes in my vocabulary. English is not my mother tongue.

reply

on top of that we have climategate here in the states and also the 9 proven factual errors in al whores film a very convienient lie..you are pretty arrogant to think that the human race can destroy this planet..
we are stupid enough to kill ourselves off but this planet will keep on rockin n rollin never skipping a beat.

humans are so arrogant especially the greenie do-gooders with there noses high in the air and superior attitudes,but i know its just an illusion.

reply

"you are pretty arrogant to think that the human race can destroy this planet.."

Nobody's gonna destroy this planet, we're only making it a hell of a lot less habitable for our grandchildren. Bacteriae and the likes will be just fine. Humans will be pretty much *beep*ed.




reply

another indoctrinated left wing loon buying into the biggest hoax the world has ever seen with the exception of religion,"man made climate change"...it does NOT exist...live a clean life do right by yourself and your family but dont try to push this B.S. agenda down sane peoples throats,we have enough on our hands trying to keep lefty kooks from turning the greatest country in the world into a socialist nation.

reply

...and yet I'm the one using facts from a neutral institution and you are just saying things...

I'm not pushing any agenda. It's possible to combat pollution without destroying our way of life. On the contrary, it's about creating new industries and removing our connections with the Middle East.

If global warming doesn't concern you, well... think about the fine particles in the air. Think about our health (at least if you are living in a major city).

There is absolutly no reason to keep using these old technologies, especially if we have the possibilities to change our ways...

reply

It amazes me how politically polarized this issue has become. It seems to me that our politicians have done a great job at convincing half of us that this is some soft of massive conspiracy by "left wing loons". Here come the carbon taxes to tax the hell out of you! At the same time the other side is busy convincing us the earth is being rapped to death by the capitalist bulldozing all of the rain forests for oil and the end is near!

It's so bad that the trust in the debate process is gone. Junk science, political lobbyist, anti-tax neo cons, left wing loons all aside, I think about it this way.

What if I were wrong? Which side would I want to error on?

reply

Okay sorry to go off on a tangent, but that right there, in case any Americans are wondering, is one of the reasons the rest of the world thinks the U.S. is so ridiculously arrogant and thus not liked so much - people who constantly call the U.S. 'the greatest country in the world', can everyone see how eye-rollingly egotistical that sounds?

Sure there's nothing wrong with being proud of your homeland, but I can't think of another country where so many of its citizens feel the need to constantly say they live in the greatest nation on Earth. Of course the U.S. has a lot going for it, but I personally wouldn't want to live there permanently going by how polarised it seems to be (politics/religion/race/education/health etc).
Honestly I think my own country has its faults but is still fairly cool overall, but that's because I've experienced other countries and cultures, some of them great, some of them not so great.

The US State Dept says that two thirds of Americans don't have passports, so surely it's kinda hard to qualify a 'greatest country in the world' statement if all you've experienced of other countries is on TV? Now if you've been to every country on the planet and experienced every culture for a good amount of time, but still say 'U.S. is the best', then fair enough. Otherwise, GIMME A BREAK! The size of a nation's army/land mass/nukes/number of TV channels it has does not equate to how brilliant it is.

Think of it like this: if you're at a bar with friends and one friend boasts he/she has the best wife/husband in the room, you're going to think they're a bit of a d*ck, but if they are just honest and friendly, then chances are you're going to think a lot more of them.
I've nothing against Americans or the U.S. (the governments are a different story), I can think of MANY worse countries, but sometimes I wonder if the word modesty even exists over there..

Back on point, I agree with what another poster said (lamastre73 I think): even if 99.9%+ of scientists are wrong and climate change isn't man-made, it is still vital that we change our polluting ways soon (oil running out/oil dependencies on dodgy foreign governments INCLUDING Russia, etc). Carbon taxing is merely a (probably) necessary evil designed to make positive environmental change happen through the most effective driving force on the planet - money.

And for the record mobstar, I for one don't just talk the talk, I do my own little bit too (which is all everyone has to do to make a difference..which makes it all the more maddening that so many people are seemingly too lazy to do even that!). If people didn't say as well as do, then climate change wouldn't even be on the agenda and this film wouldn't have been made!

reply

Sorry Thats a Farce.

I don't take credit for outdated data or fabricated data. 98% of Scientists have concluded that Global Warming is real. Many have actually agreed Al Gore got it right, but thousands of scientists have known about this longer than he's been making his slide shows. Science is settled and theres no stopping, it means we have to take responsibilty for our actions or we'll all face deadly consequences on the long term. Propaganda my ass!!! all denialist are idiots!

reply

Since you believe ice is a liquid obviously nothing you say is relevant. You do realize that in Mars the ice turns straight to vapor? Right? There are OBVIOUS pictures of ice packs on Mars from years past and recent pictures of the same spot with no ice.

I love when people act like they know everything but prove themselves to be aboslute morons.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

reply

Mars,,i live in Florida and New York..and who are you..A M.I.T. grad....you know it all,maybee you should be Obamas chiefe science czar(well that would be czar #197) scrap that idea.i'm well informed,calling me a moron pretty much makes you seem well....moronic or childish

anyway..have fun saving the planet...save it for the GIPPER!!!!!or how bout Ted Kennedy!!!

maybee you'll get a gold star from the guy that invented the internet that made that documentry that had at least 9 factual errors..Al Gore!!maybee you can get a certificate of merit for saving planet Earth!!!I'm pullin for ya guy!!good luck with your adventure.

on a final note dont worry about lil ole me,i live 4-5 months in the mountains,i'll do my part,but i wont tell anyone else how to live or call them morons for the way they do.i guess CHINA are ALL MORONS..yet they own us..i guess INDIA are all morons also..

if your gonna talk the talk ya best be able to back it up,most of you save the world people dont really do much but talk about it and call people names.

AL GORE the cheeseburger munchin using more energy than 10 -12 american familes,he's no hypocrite,private jets ect ect ect,


id be happy like when i grew up in sicilia with my Vespa and my grandfathers donkey..


you people just love to critisize

reply

go ahead guy SAVE THE PLANET..me im just gonna live ny life clean,do what i can do within my influence but i will not push this agenda that has not been proven or disproven.just be a good boy and dont make a mess...the planet will be fine,as for the human race,our best days are probably behind us so enjoy life,i do what i can do to keep the water clean,dont litter,i personally own 300 acres in the Appalachian mtns thats like the land time forgot,so in the summer(June through October) when im sick of you kooks arguing over how hot the worlds getting i go live on my land with its natural springs,waterfalls ,lake and realize that just because you live in suburbia or some urban *beep* do you expect when you got millions of ignorant kooks crammed in a tightly wound city who dare so uninformed that they think the worlds gonna be over in 2012..yeah i remember Y2K also..That was a bust.

arguing with idiots..i think a very smart man titled his new book with that phrase.

reply

Because you don't like the facts you say it's propaganda? That's such a cheap review. It seems you are still in the state of denial.

reply

such denial????trying to scare the uneducated masses with liberal newspapers,liberal television,public school indoctrination that man made C02 is destroying the planet is twisted .if you eat at Mickey D's then your a hypocrite,cows let out more CO2 than an SUV.a volcano in one day lets out more CO2 since the begining of the industrial revolution to the present in one day!!thats the fact jack!
im all for a clean planet.but dont try to force your liberal crap down americans throats,these big time green people have no problem doing business with CHINA or INDIA wich could give a S#*t about global warming..oops..now that all those internal emails(climategate) were leaked to the public but scarcley reported on by the mainstream media they no longer call if "global warming" since they know its not true so now they will decieve the niave public with "climate control"the worst administration ever!!!!!!!!!!!

what happened to transparency like was talked about on the commander in chiefs campaign trail that he mentioned over and over,i believe the quote was "everything above board behind no closed doors,with c-span there for the public to view.another HOAX,these guys lock the door and change the locks once there in,another fact.transparency!!a quote from a great WHO song in regards to mr president..meet the old boss,same as the old boss..he may be a puppet of the Bilderburg group.i suggest you view some of alex jones documentries.

America is waking up people!!!!2010 will be a rout in the senate/congressional races,Say goodbye to Harry reid and so manny of these socialists who would sell there soul to keep there power instead of protecting our constitution.

reply

Lalalalalala. Mankind is led by monkees with their ears covered. And it's not just climate change, watch what happens when the oil runs out. But nobody cares until it hits their own selfish doorstep. We only have one btw, the earth.

Caring for a fellow man, our one and only home in the universe, nature, all has somehow become 'ridiculous' and reason for slander and mud. I find that quite selfdestructing and frightening. But go ahead, be tough and hard, supressing other views. Let's see what happens. Small hint: War, general misery etc.

reply

The funniest part is that 15,000 people FLEW to the climate change conference in Copenhagen.

Yes, that's right. They took the plane.

Carbon taxes hurt the poor most.

reply

this guys got the right idea with the 1,500 planes and there big concern for CO2..just follow the money and you will see than this is nothing more than the biggest hoax of the past couple centries, just to scare ordinary folks, local news watching poor ignorant people,or just plain ole do-gooders can save the planet when this whole thing boils down to one thing and its big $$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!!!!!

follow the money and see were the fat cats are putting there doe...now that we have climategate and a convienient lie by cheeseburger munching al gore with it very convienient lies are exposed americans are starting to wake up to the facts,unfortunately we have much work to do that the ultra liberal public school systems have been indoctrinating the nations children since the 80's..

wake up America!!!!!!!!World!!!!!!!!i an happy to see more and more people are seeing the light more and more each day.

reply

What lies? Yes, there are factual errors in 'An Inconvenient Truth', but they are minor and do not discredit the movie.

The movie 'The great global climate swindle' is FILLED with factual ERRORS. Showing graphics from NASA, that NASA scientists had never seen before. Lying to scientists who appear in the "documentary" and completely skewing up and removing data on graphical charts. Lying about Vulcanoes producing more CO2 then humanity and so forth. The list is endless...

The director of the movie was blown away by journalists on an Australian channel. Look it up, you might learn more.

Talking about 15000 people flying to a convention and producing CO2 is just sad, if that is your counter-argument. Yes, planes are a problem, but the convention is there to combat these problems in the future, through technology.

OKAY, let's for instance say that global warming isn't happening. Give me a good reason why we should keep on using oil?

Cars still pollute our cities with toxic gasses and particulate matter. Thousands of older and weak people die from these particulates.

It also is an energy source that will only last for +- 50 more years. It won't be there forever and it also still binds us to the Middle East.

The technology is there to replace it. It is actually creating jobs in the western world (in my town here in Belgium it has created already 150 new jobs, thanks to new factories producing solar power panels and wind mills). Why in gods name should we NOT change? I fail to see your point.

Because it is big $$$? YES! That is what capitalism is all about, as if stated before. The strong destroy the weak! Change, though technology, is always happening.

Seriously? Who are you gonna believe? Thousands of scientists around the world doing years of research or a small lobby group who hacked in their network and 'found' evidence. That is the most insane conspiracy theory i've heard in ages. It's just not maintainable. Every government, university and research institution around the world would have to be in on it. Like saying the US government was behind 9/11 or the earth will perish in 2012.
:D

Even the Bush administration said global warming was happening after doing their own research. It's funny how it's mostly the EDUCATED people who believe that this is something we must address. I'm an engineer myself.

Almost not a single scientific magazine has countered global warming, but the 'simple' magazines tell another story, thanks to external influences. The same thing happened in the 50's (or so I wasn't born yet) with the tobacco industry spreading doubt about whether cigarettes were unhealthy.

(Once again I apologize for certain errors in my English)

reply

like i said,i'm for a clean a environment,clean air and clean water,i am a outdoors person and have the utmost respect for the pure nature as i own 300 acres in the mountains in upstate new york and its virtually like another planet in comparison to the urban "south florida" were i live 7 months a year,this urban environment disgusts me.
but now that global warming has pretty much been discredited and the new term is now man made climate change is just political nonsense,major players with the big bucks trying to make more big bucks..talk about capitalism,if this isnt capitolism on the grandest scale then you are blind.its not change!!!just different but more of the same,same game different name...BIG MONEY,,

hey if it were up to me we can all go back to horses and covered wagons,i truly could live like that,but most of the so called environmentalists still drive SUV's if they have families and many talk the talk but dont walk the walk.i spend over half the year living in the mountains and if i had too could be self sufficient living off the land..i wish it could be that simple but America no longer produces.all of our production is done in foriegn countries who care less about C02 or anything but $$$$$$ and unfortunately most are American companies.

like i said,this is just a major $$$$$$$ maker for the heavy hitters and man made C02 is inevitable because people will not change...i could care less if its oil,clean coal,new tech,whatever,if it works great,but too many preachers and not enough towing the line so to speak.

clean air,clean water,clean living,all good to me but you wont change the mcdonald eating masses or the rich fat cats or even the millions of hypocrites that are going green..all talk and scare tactics with few following through.

even if man made C02 were truly destroying the planet,man will not change when the only green they care about is$$$$$$$$$

reply

I can actually agree on what you say here. I for one also don't believe that man will change. Humans are great at changing when the danger is right in front of their noses, but preventing something is a whole other story.

Only time will tell. Both sides are spewing propaganda. You are right, a lot of hypocrites out there. It starts by living a clean life ourselves.

reply

nice post lemastre73,couldnt agree more!!!

reply

Ah, so, according to "skeptics" (aka the paranoid), anything suggested and strongly, nearly unanimously accepted by the scientific community = liberal propaganda.

I really wish the scientifically illiterate wouldn't bother trying to debunk actual science.

reply

Ignorance is a bliss

reply

LIBERALSSSS!!!

reply

Isn't it sad that the arguments against this movie are predominantly based on personal situations particularly the US citizens' adversity to taxation as in carbon taxes (George III has a lot to answer for),and against any new f angled theory that would result in them paying taxes, whilst ignoring the essential facts.

1. Available oil in the future is limited and we can foresee its end, probably within the next 50 years.
2. Our planet is undergoing serious climatic changes (look at melting glaciers) and it is more than likely due to human intervention.

The movie showed an enormous collage of TV news footage which have recorded these climatic changes. To infer these news footages from such a diversity of sources are the result of collusion or conspiracy fails to understand the independence of the media outside the US. Whilst Mobil may have contributed $3 billion or whatever to George Bush, (and the $billions contributed to lobbyists) no corporate entity contributed to the BBC which is funded solely by funds raised from the viewers.

What is also sad is that the contributor who argues against man made global warming, but has the 200 acre spread in the mountains will actually be best positioned to survive.

Like I said, its all purely how it effects me.
As mankind goes down the toilet.

There are of course a few who believe it should not be like that.
This movie shows how it will probably be if a lot more don't realise that action will be required, before tax fearing US citizens take us all down.

reply