I'm confused, The ending of the book also pivoted on the giant squid, not Dr. Manhattan energy pulses, which was created in part by the writer of TOTBF. So what relevance does the Comic Within A Comic (or now, Film Within A Film) have to the Watchmen movie?
shareNothing at all....
Watchmen Babies in V for Vacation.
And it's not even basically a film within a film 'cause that would require Bernie to watch parts of a pirate-horror movie at some street corner. Things lost in translation...
So yea, it's just nod, sign of Snyder's fanboyism. But fun enough.
Just because the comic is represented in animated form really doesn't change it at all. For the purposes of adding it to the movie, I think it'd be perfectly acceptable to show Bernie reading the comic, and then cut or fade to an animated version. It's still clear that the animation represents a comic (much in the way that the rest of the movie's live-action represents the graphic novel).
Equally unimportant is the fact that, in the book, the writer helped conjure up the squid. Max Shae's involvement in the plot, while somewhat pivotal, is so extremely minor, and revealed long after "Tales of the Black Freighter" has already engaged the reader that it's more of an "oh, that's clever" moment than an "aaaah, now that pointless pirate story makes sense" revelation.
What will be more difficult is the pacing when/if they edit the movie and the animation together as it was in the book. In many cases, the book shifts from the main story to Black Freighter every other panel, or includes pieces of Black Freighter narration over panels that would otherwise be unrelated. This will be much more difficult to accomplish with film, particularly if the movie and animation were originally crafted as standalone pieces (which it appears they were).
"Just because the comic is represented in animated form really doesn't change it at all."
Yeah, but I kinda think it should. Watchmen was above all a commentary on comics in the form of a comic. And the inner comic is as far from the Watchmen-world as Watchmen is from our world. That's why I think this should be presented as a movie within a movie too, demonstrating the distance of "fiction" from "real world" with the same medium.
They didn't realize this to the full potential in the movie (though suits looking like typical comic movie suits was a fine try), especially with Adrian referring to "comic book villain" etc.
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I mean the movie of TOTBF takes the "point" out. If it was part of the Watchmen movie, it would make sense, but doing a direct to dvd just makes you go "So, it's aout Adrian and him using dead bodies to help him.........great."
Watchmen Babies in V for Vacation.
I haven't seen TotBF yet, and unless they bungled the ending of that (which I doubt) the point is still there. What you discuss being missed isn't the core theme of the comic-within-a-comic; it was a random thread thread of connectivity.
If you must know (I suggest rereading the book to better understand this) the idea has to do with being a self-recognized hero and all that it entails.
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The Black Freighter story was a reflection of what was happening in the main story, specifically Veidt's character. He had noble intentions and yet committed unspeakable atrocities to achieve his plans. The fact that the writer of the Black Freighter comic was involved in Veidt's plan is not as important.
Our children are old enough to read icculous.
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I think it'll still be a comic, but simply portrayed onscreen as the animated version. Simply having a shot of the comic in the reader's hands and then cutting to the animation will make it quite clear that the animation is supposed to be depicting the comic's story. Just like Watchmen-the-movie is depicting Watchmen-the-comic's story.
Movie-version-of-comic within a movie-version-of-comic.
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Yeah, I think Snyder just wanted to include it, fully knowing the whole squid thing doesn't happen in the film. I'm sure he also wanted to reassure the fans of the graohic novel that he is fully aware of the changes he had to make for the film to work as a film, so this is a little nod to the fans, I think. But, even though the whole squid payoff doesn't occur outside the comic, the comic still reflects the main story with the heroes. It's simply just an added bonus. I liked the changes the film made. That squid was always so damned strange.
shareAmen to that, I much prefer the film's ending, and I'm glad they went with it. I don't think an audience unfamiliar with the graphic novel would have been able to accept a giant squid being a part of any superhero film that's supposed to be "serious" and "mature." I barely accepted it in the graphic novel, and everything was new, then.
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