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Problems with this movie

posted 15 years ago by bigtuna2168
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So I watch this movie as a devoted Independent. I understand what this woman is saying and I do get her point. The torture thing and the crying of the Constitution. The Constitution protects AMERICAN citizens. Secondly, the Geneva Conventions has specific rules that have to be followed. The idea that it's wrong that the Bush Administration cannot "torture", but Saddam Hussein can torture, murder, kill, SLAUGHTER his own people and no one care. Also, Hitler was welcomed into power, the German Republic in the twenties and thirties was a complete MESS before Hitler took power. To claim that Blackwater is a paramilitary force is goofy. Paramilitary forces would need to operate on American Soil and actually attack the people. You do not see KGB tactics or Brown Shirt tactics in Chicago or LA. If you really want to take a look at problems with a "democracy" look at England. There is no right to protection of yourself, there is no expectation of privacy. The National Guard is not a "militia". The National Guard derives it's funding from the Federal Government. They answer the Federal Government, as they are a derivative of the Federal Government hence the ARMY NATIONAL GUARD. I also do not see this woman complaining about the LEFT (I know this guy must now be a conservative because he's not salivating over Obama and is standing up for Bush) wanting to DISARM the citizens. I do not like the Bush government, nor the Clinton, or the current Administration. The news media is a terrible place to get information from. I live in a city where the Octamom gets daily coverage, but the protests in Oakland for the support of the man who killed the four police officers was not covered. The directors also neglect to point out that Democrats did vote for the PATRIOT ACT. This is not an unbiased report, but a report by someone who was paid a tremendous amount of money by both the Clinton and Gore parties to work for them. I also despise how they act as if Hussein was such a wonderful guy and that he didn't do anything wrong, that it was unjust to remove such a madman. Should we have invaded in 2003, no. should we have removed him in 1990, YES. Many people forget that the UN is to blame for so many problems in the world today. Darfur, another place with the slaughter of people, is a place that is on the something to be done list after everyone is killed. Also, the complaints about government kidnapping, RENDITION, as it has been called, has gone on for years. I guarantee that Naomi will not write anything about Obama taking over the financial institutions and demanding that the economic plan must go his way, despite everyone saying that what they are doing is a terrible idea. I just find this book to be load of bashing purely president Bush and nothing else. There are just so many problems with this, and you really want to see the styfiling of freedom of speech, look at the Fairness Doctrine. Nothing says free speech like saying you need to say things you don't agree with. I despise these people and really wish they would look past the We hate Bush and everything is his fault people. Remember, the tree of liberty needs to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots.

I am just disagreeing with you. In America, we have the freedom of speech. The right to disagree.

[–] Angiers 15 years ago

Oh so only AMERICAN citizens have the right to not be tortured? right....

[–] bigtuna2168 15 years ago

By the American Government, yes. When you fight without a flag and hide in a populous, no.

I am just disagreeing with you. In America, we have the freedom of speech. The right to disagree.

[–] Angiers 15 years ago

No our government has the right to detain themand put them on trial. The geneva(sp) convention is a good guideline to follow on what is torture and what is not torture. Torture is not acceptable under any circumstances, just like it's unacceptable to torture animals.

[–] Derek-18 15 years ago

"The Constitution protects AMERICAN citizens"

NO, the constitution defines how we shall behave in this republic, and the rights we recognize, which we should be vigilant to defend.

Perhaps you never read this part of the Declaration of Independence, buried deep, deep in the second paragraph:

...that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

You see, the US government derives its power through consent of AMERICAN citizens, but within our jurisdiction, people's rights are inherent, endowed, and unalienable.

Learn it. Know it. Live it. It is precisely when some moron starts spouting that we should only apply these core beliefs in certain times, or for certain people that the rest of us should get prepared to fight. Explain to me again how you think it's constitutional to alienate someone from their rights?

Oh, and if you dig a little deeper, into the founding father's list of grievances against old King George, you'll find these two gems:
"For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury; For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences." In 1776, that was cause for revolution, but you think we should do the same to the douchebags in Gitmo.

Getting constitutional, please point out where in the 5th and 6th amendments it suggests the Bill of Rights only applies to citizens. The 5th specifically says "no person" shall be "...deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

You, like too many others, think you stand by the Constitution, but you also think it says whatever you want it to say.

[–] babybird-imdb 11 years ago

I'm glad you said it, because otherwise I would have had to. I don't get where people arrive at this notion that the Constitution only protects our own citizens. Even the Pledge of Allegiance, authored by a socialist, recognizes this-- "with liberty, and justice for ALL".

If it doesn't apply to EVERYONE, then it doesn't REALLY apply to ANYONE, and we're no better than any other despotic government scattered across human history.

Remember, no justice for all is no justice at all.

[–] strattford 14 years ago

I am just disagreeing with you. In America, we have the freedom of speech. The right to disagree.

I wonder if Russia or China would wake up and realize about the CRIMES happening in the Iraq soil. There's a fascist upraising there taking away thousands of civilians lives. They're supported by the biggest pos-war terrorist country in the world, and they should tell the true to their citizens.

Democracy is not equal to freedom by any means. This "we are free unlike the rest of the world" worked in the 50's, but it's ludicrous to say that now. It's just an worthless propaganda that unbelievable still works for some US citizens, so it's a misleading tool that justifies every threat outside USA.

Do you really think that there are no free press elsewhere? That people can't protest, or make public their dis contempt?

It's sad when people say that Saddam should be taken off from Iraq in 1990 because it wouldn't make sense. If you're old enough, there where no such thing as taking Saddam of the Iraq leadership because he was an US pivot against Iran and to protect US interest in the Middle-East.

So, after (if) this whole thing is over and USA ultimately get right again, there will be enough enemies to threat the country forever and excuses for other countries, Allies, UN or whatever, to remember what Bush legacy made against the world's consensus and under the "freedom of speak US citizens" democratic liability.

Everyone with good sense did suffer watching people getting burn or jumping from the WTC. You can easily find it on Google; search in other languages and you will find a huge number of foreign supporters that will most likely surprises you. But the afterwards just subverted the empathic commitment to support it.

Just like the Jews didn't forget the Holocaust, the US citizens didn't forget the 9/11. And the world will not forget Iraq and Afghanistan wars. IMO, "The End Of America" is about that.

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[–] Lady_Elaine_Fairchild 8 years ago

To claim that Blackwater is a paramilitary force is goofy. Paramilitary forces would need to operate on American Soil

They were involved in he Oregon standoff

You do not see KGB tactics or Brown Shirt tactics in Chicago or LA.

Holman Square

The news media is a terrible place to get information from.

Not all media... The Intercept, Wired, The Guardian, Breitbart, Quanta...

I live in a city where the Octamom gets daily coverage,

Wow almost forgot about her thanks for that blast from the past (I think).

I also despise how they act as if Hussein was such a wonderful guy and that he didn't do anything wrong, that it was unjust to remove such a madman.

Case where you cut off the head of a monster and an uglier head grows in its place -we shouldn't be in the ME at all.

I can't hear you over the volume of my hair.

[–] Jeorj Euler 7 years ago

All state actors belonging to the United States of American are bound by United States law. While there is no obligation for them to protect foreigners, beyond what duly-ratified treaties require, they are forbidden from carrying out cruel and usual punishment on anybody, and furthermore they cannot be made exempt from common law.