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Is this really possible?


I was wondering whether such a big fall from grace (short of actually ending up in prison which, as we all know, HAS happened in real life) is really possible. Could someone really go from being featured in "Forbes" and the "New York Times" to being a counter man in a college hangout? Can anyone think of a prominent person who actually has undergone such a precipitous downfall?

Martha Stewart seems to have bounced back, although I personally will never buy anything with her name on it. But I can't think of anyone whose life has fallen apart on the public stage and who has stayed that far down. Thanks

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It is possible and it happens more often that you would think.
There are many people who went from being millionaire to bankrupt and they bounced back.
Why will you never buy anything with Martha Stewart name?
I think that almost all people with her status do similar things what she did.
She was just punished as an example,just scapegoat.

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No, I don't mean, "Do any prominent people fall to the bottom and bounce back?" I mean, "Do any prominent people fall to the bottom and find themselves unable ever to get back up again?" If so, who?

I won't buy anything with Martha Stewart's name on it because she was convicted of and went to prison for using insider information to financially profit. This, to me, is indicative of a very poor character; she is someone who was comfortable with profitting from cheating. Great wealth was more important to here than integrity. I hope that, if, as you wrote, "almost all people with her status do similar things," they are caught and punished too.

Martha Stewart's whole image is based on an appreciation for traditional values and a sense of refinement and class. Her behavior proved that these are anything but accurate descriptions of her. And I'll be damned if I'll put money in her pocket, thereby rewarding a liar and cheat.

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Ladies and Gentlemen.....
I give you, for example.....
One Paul Rubens.....
Known professionally as PeeWee Herman......


Who got caught taking things into his own hands in a movie theater, and then found himself jailed. Nobody has seen him for longer than 30 seconds in public since that fateful porno movie in Florida. If the headlines are to be believed it was a guy-guy porno showing that day.

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gary coleman was famous, worth alot but was used and abused by his parents and ended up working security

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I just read the following on a celebrity news website:

"Pee-wee Herman has seen a major resurgence lately, with a live stage show receiving glowing reviews in LA and set to come to Broadway this fall, as well as talks of new films possibly produced by Judd Apatow."

Also, IMDB has quite a few appearances or voice-over roles in movies listed for him since his 1991 arrest. Looks like Pee-wee Herman/Paul Rubens is not a good example of a prominent person who fell permanently from the heights.

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I hope you dont take what I am about to say as offensive pamactress... but you seem very naieve about the world. Your original question, of course its possible. How difficult would it be to be in the public limelight and then fall apart? Why even need an example? It just seems like an odd question to me... it's like saying, is it possible to have be educated and have a good job and then end up a drug addict in prison? or something along those lines.

And about Martha Stewart... I would be shocked and surprised to find out if the vast majority of millionaires/biollionaires were any different. They clearly got that way BECAUSE they care more about money than almost anything else.... I mean if you don't want to buy her products because of bad character, all I'm saying is... you need to cross a lot of items off your list. *beep* I hope you never go to wal mart as the vast majority of the crap they sell there is probably put together in sweat shops making all the profits off of treating poor villagers like slave laborers

My name is Khan... and I am not a terrorist!!!

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The plot was absolute tripe. we are supposed to believe that this bill gates type guy has such a fall from grace that he goes to work in a deli? RUBBISH.

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It is not.

I live in Budapest, Hungary and my mother works at the local hospital. One day a guy shows up, and applies for a job as a male nurse assistant. It was strange, because his name started with a "Dr.Something", so they did a little background check, turned out he was a star lawyer at some fancy agency till he got fired because they found him in his own piss and vomit in the office... he was too drunk to get out to the restroom. So he was a strong alcoholic by that time they found out about the problem ( or it just went too out of control ) and he couldn't get a job as a lawyer anymore ( or in any decent profession ), so he got to the bottom. I haven't heard anything about him since then, but I bet he is still towing patients to the operating rooms, or sweeping the street or something.

The point is: yes you can get to the very bottom from the top, with a little help from the booze or in this movie's case an angry bitch, sex addiction and your midlife crisis.

ps.: Sorry for the bad english.

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First of all, yes this happens. Start counting you will see it alot if you live long enough. You will even see people so sick of the corporate grind and lust for money they do something like this entirely by choice. In any event, by the time he worked at the deli, he was on the upside of sitting in the dark all day and not bathing or shaving. Second of all, don't you think part of his trip back to Boston and that campus was the girl? And his obsession with her was part of this whole story of how immature he really was. And how that immaturity undid him. I mean drinking beer with undergraduates at a keg party is about as low as a grown up can go, no offense to you undergraduates who are loving it right now as you should. Working at a deli is a step up. At least it's an honest day's work for an honest day's pay -- something it doesn't look like Ben had ever done in his life, despite his success. Another thing that job gave him was something he needed most of all, i.e., spending time with a real friend who wasn't trying to use him for something.

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Hi, Nazia -

No, I don't think I'm naive. It's just that I couldn't myself think of any people who had been on top of the world, plummeted to the bottom, and permanently stayed down. I guess mine was a rhetorical question which included a request for examples.

Even the three examples which were graciously provided by GoldEagle didn't really fit the bill, except in one case. Jay Cooke bounced back. Nelson Hunt, by 1999, was buying over $2 million in race horses. Only William Durant remained impoverished. But his case does prove: it is possible. Just not very common.

And, Nazia, you're right - I don't shop at Walmart for exactly the reasons you mention. It's not THAT difficult to be a conscientious consumer.

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It happens to women all the time when they turn 40.

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Probably not. Look at some of the biggest scammers in the world who went to jail and they came right back. Martha Stewart for one. The junk bond trader ... forget his name. They have so much money they can hire PR firms to question their convictions, and lots of friends doing the same thing. What I found funny was the portrayal of the car business as so honorable.

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I think it does happen on a fairly regular basis. The only ones we hear about are those that bounce back into the limelight. If they remain at the bottom out of the mainstream, what reason would the media have to cover their lives. A conundrum of sorts: they were famous, now they're not, but if we report on where they are after the fall from grace and success, then they become infamous.

I think the movie works. I saw it last night and it is still with me.

Stanislacker

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such change is very common

In the 1920s, Durant became a major "player" on Wall Street and on Black Tuesday joined with members of the Rockefeller family and other financial giants to buy large quantities of stocks, against the advice of friends,[2] in order to demonstrate to the public their confidence in the stock market. His effort proved costly and failed to stop the market slide. By 1936, the 75-year-old Durant was bankrupt.[2]

After the fall of Durant Motors, Durant and his second wife lived on a small pension provided by Alfred P. Sloan on behalf of General Motors. He suffered a stroke in 1942, which left him "a semi-invalid",[2] and managed a bowling alley in Flint, Michigan until his death in 1947. He was buried in a private mausoleum at the Woodlawn Cemetery in the Bronx, New York.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_C._Durant#Wall_Street_and_later_y ears


After the war, Cooke became interested in the development of the northwest, and in 1870 his firm financed the construction of the Northern Pacific Railway. Cooke fell in love with Duluth, Minnesota, and decided he must make it successful, the new Chicago. To this end he began purchasing railways with the dream of reaching the Pacific to bring goods through Duluth into the Great Lakes shipping system and on to the markets of Europe. In advancing the money for the work, the firm overestimated its capital, and at the approach of the Panic of 1873 it was forced to suspend. Cooke himself was forced into bankruptcy. Jay Cooke was heavily involved in financial scandals with the Canadian Government and caused the Prime Minister Sir John A. Macdonald to lose his office in the 1873 election. Cooke's shares in the Northern Pacific Railway were purchased for pennies on the dollar by George Stephen and Donald Smith who then finished building the Canadian Pacific Railway.

By 1880 Cooke had met all his financial obligations, and through an investment in a silver mine in Utah, had again become wealthy. He died in the Ogontz (now Elkins Park) section of Cheltenham Township, Pennsylvania, on February 8, 1905.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Cooke#Northern_Pacific_Railway


Beginning in the early 1970s, Hunt and his brother William Herbert Hunt began accumulating large amounts of silver. By 1979, they had nearly cornered the global market.[6] In the last nine months of 1979, the brothers profited by an estimated $2 billion to $4 billion in silver speculation, with estimated silver holdings of 100 million ounces.[7]

During the Hunt brothers' accumulation of the precious metal, prices of silver futures contracts and silver bullion during 1979 and 1980 rose from $11 an ounce in September 1979 to $50 an ounce in January 1980. Silver prices ultimately collapsed to below $11 an ounce two months later. The largest single day drop in the price of silver occurred on Silver Thursday.[1]

Hunt filed for bankruptcy under Chapter 11 of the Federal Bankruptcy Code in September 1988, largely due to lawsuits incurred as a result of his silver speculation.[1]

In 1989 in a settlement with the United States Commodity Futures Trading Commission, Nelson Bunker Hunt was fined US$10 million and banned from trading in the commodity markets as a result of charges of conspiring to manipulate the silver market stemming from his attempt to corner the market in silver.[1] This fine was in addition to a multimillion-dollar settlement to pay back taxes, fines and interest to the Internal Revenue Service for the same period.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt_brothers#Silver_Thursday

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Happens all the time in sports. Dwight Gooden come to mind. Cy young. Sports Illustrated, top of the world.....then, drugs, jail, divorce and he has now abandon his daughter and ex leaving them on food stamps.

"light is faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright until they open their mouth"

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Is the name O.J Simpson ringing any bells? Or a *beep* of E True Hollywood stories about celebrities that were on top of the World at one point and now are virtually unheard of. Unless they invested their money properly, they could, and are, working for peanuts now. Another good example is famous Wrestlers. Go do a search on "What Are They Doing Now?-Famous Wrestlers of the 80's".

I honestly can't believe you're asking this question. The list is endless.

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right wrestlers are a great example, and many athletes in general though if they are great players they get other chances...

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Does the name MC Hammer ring any bells? The man had millions and millions of dollars, and basically went bankrupt.

Also, Michael Jackson's reputation went down the drain, along with most of his money because of the whole scandal about pedophilia. Ofcourse, he has now become a being of myth and legend, but this is after his death.

"Be it a grain of sand or rock, in water they sink as the same."

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