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Is this what Kevin Trudeau did with all that money...


...he promised as a prize purse at that billiards competition he sponspored with the money he's been getting from those "They Don't Want You To Know About" books?

It's like those fake news magazine infomercials you see with Kevin Trudeau and that other one with the old guy from 20/20. Books full of crackpot health remedies, old wives tales, supsicious sources and some outright false claims.

Sure the food and health industry may be crooked. But movies and books and infomercials like this are just as or are even more because OF the food and health industry. "They" may lie to you but hey, we're gone to sell you something even more freaking UNBELIEVABLE, so unbelievable that it must be true!

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I have to say that you hit the nail on the head when you said that science and medicine are profoundly different. However, I don't think you understand what falls in the realm of science and what falls in the realm of medicine.

It is the role of science (one of them at least) to study diseases and present treatments to the medical community.

It is the role of medicine to study patients, diagnose illnesses and apply the treatments provided by the scientific community.

It is not a doctor's job to test alternative theories or treatments for the betterment of mankind. That's the scientist's job. Likewise, it is not the scientist's job to treat patients. It is his job to test new theories with the patients. In fact, if the scientist attempts to treat the patient, it is poor methodology.

So you're right. No doctor is going to get funding to test alternative therapies. It's not his job.

It is true that many doctors also run clinical trials and scientific experiments. However, this is a completely different activity from normal medicine. It can almost be likened to a hobby because of it's distinctness from their normal job description.

Gerson was treating his patients like a doctor, not like a scientist. As a result, most of his evidence ended up being anecdotal, and did not hold up under scrutiny.

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But the thing is, you CAN'T be both a doctor and a scientist at the same time. If you start treating your subjects as patients, you loose your objectivity. and if you loose your objectivity, ALL of your results are questionable and your study is inconclusive. that's why we use double blind trials: so that the doctors who actually interact with the patient can't skew the results.

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You've actually touched on a fairly important issue in the manner in which science is funded. The fact of the matter is, hardly anyone (in the private sector) funds research. People fund things to make a profit. Funding research is inherently risky because researching takes an unknowable amount of time and the final output may or may not be financially viable. Fortunately, in this country, the government picks up the slack and funds research fairly well (or at least it did until the bush administration messed it all up).

In addition, most scientists prefer to work for public grant money because it provides more freedom. In the private sector, projects are normally decided by beuracrats or whoever happens to be in charge and are then handed out to whatever laboratories will take them. In the public sector, the scientist in charge of the laboratory (or one of his subordinates) drafts a grant proposal which outlines the hypothesis and the testing protocol. After a thorough editing process the grant is then submitted to the grant review board in washington. Depending on the quality of the grant proposal, the amount of money in the budget (which has been pitifully low as of late), and the amount of competition in the field, the grant is either rejected or accepted.

Obviously, most scientists prefer the public sector because they can choose to pursue projects that <i>they</i> think will work and that <i>they</i> find intellectually stimulating. They can hang out in the comfortable zone that is far enough removed from real life that their compassion can't skew experiments and remain safely outside of the political and financial beuracracy of the private sector.

So in summary, yes we should leave it to the scientists to decide proper treatments. Funding comes mostly from the government for two reasons: more money and fewer vested interests. If you want to worry about a lack of research in cancer treatment blame the iraq war. don't cry about pharmaceutical oligarchies blocking research or novel treatment methods. there certainly are issues with pharmaceuticals in this country, but for better or for worse they really don't invest in research.

I know this is kind of off on a tangent, but i think it's worth mentioning:
The truth about pharmeceuticals in this country is that they mooch their successes off the victories of others. I can't think of a single drug breakthrough in recent memory that was funded by pharmeceutical companies. Typically a drug is developed by scientists working in the public sector, and if and when it is demonstrated to be financially viable, it is bought up by pharmeceuticals to be sold for profit. In this way, the taxpayers shoulder the risk and expense of research (which is by no means trivial) and pharmeceutical companies cherry pick the successful ventures.

Hopefully some of this might change under Obama, but I personally doubt it.

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Already the idiot factor at work -- using Wikipedia as an authority.

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Believing that a healthy diet will help you to stay or become healthy isn't freaking unbelievable, it's calling out all the suspects in the conspiracy theories that hurt the validity of the movie, I think.

The diet is also presented as an absolute cure, when that is not even possible.

I personally know a young woman that died of cancer, and she tried many types of treatment, and certainly she made radical and healthy changes to her diet. Nothing artificial, all good, high quality, natural foods.

Didn't it just seem like the movie was trying to freak you out about all the common paranoia things, aspartame, mercury/amalgam fillings, raw vs cooked food, organic vs 'regular' produce, irradiation, genetically modified seed, fluoride, vaccines, Kirlian photography.

With a little more effort they might have worked in who shot Kennedy.

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Good news. Kevin Trudeau has just been punished with a 37 million dollar fine, for publishing lies:

http://www1.ftc.gov/opa/2009/01/trudeau.shtm

That's one quack down, about a million left to go...

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The good news would be if he was diagnosed with a handful of the diseases he would claim to cure and then was put on a strict regimen of nothing but his own charlatan cures, and they could make it a weekly show where we could watch his progress until he died slowly and painfully with all his little sheep watching. I'm sure however that they'd create some elaborate conspiracy propagated by Evil Big Pharma and never really accept that he's a money hungry anarch-capitalist that doesn't care a whit about them or their families more than what they can profit him personally.

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Ah! That would explain why I see him back on the tv now, shilling some new book to pay for the 37M. Using BIG-busted blondes in bikinis to keep us watching.

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It's unbelievable that a vegan, preferably very unprocessed, organic, diet most likely will not give you cancer / prevent against cancer / combat cancer?

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