Killing for taste and pleasure

It's natural to kill opposing tribes and rape women in the past and yet we've grown out of doing that as much (or at least now we do it under the context of war). Our bodies are designed to squat and yet we use toilets. Eating meat, like anything is purely cultural and of course we're designed to be able to do it but it doesn't mean we have to.

Eating meat was an evolutionary advantage. Almost as much as cooking food. The combination of cooking and meat allowed us to have smaller stomachs and spend less time eating and have more time to concentrate on other things.

This in turn allowed us to be human so meat has been a huge advantage for us. It doesn't mean we have to eat meat any more and certainly not in the quantities that we do.

Most importantly we shouldn't be subsidising the production of meat which is unsustainable when we could eat a lot less of it and produce more vegetables which would make them in turn cheaper. So much land used as cattle feed is ridiculous. We don't respect meat any more. Our ancestors would have it as a treat not minced up and stuck in everything.
Why do we have to have crappy low grade meat in everything? So much processed meat.

I'm sure many of our earlier ancestors ate meat for recreation...

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You don't know what your missing out on. Both of those taste good with the right seasoning.

A little Chianti and maybe some fava beans for the first.
For the second your right it is FULL of nutrients also tastes kinda sweet http://recipes.sparkpeople.com/recipe-calories.asp?recipe=1200523
Yum Yum!


That looks bad, have you taken anything for it?
Ah, yes, I took 4 of your birth control pills

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For those who hate humanity because of normal human eat meat, just kill yourself, do the entire humanity a favor, thanks!

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Kaustin1067; your post was by far the most ignorant post I have ever read.

"Some people can live without meat, but others can't, at least not happily."
-Did you seriously write that? Hahahaha. Actually, People can live without meat and live longer than people who do eat it. There are tons of tasty things to eat that does not involve meat.

"Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't eat the meat from a company that tortures it's animals for as long as possible before killing it."
-Companies that handle animals treat them bad from the time they come into this world, so is that not being tortured long enough? Even if the cows are being raised on farms, and then taken to a slaughter house, they still get tortured. Is being killed not bad enough? Torture is torture, no matter how long they do it for.

"But until they find a way to make meat substitutes as tasty as meat itself, I and many others will continue to eat meat because it's an easy way to get our protein."
-You are going to eat meat because it is an easy way to get protein? Beans and peanut butter are great ways to get protein...and hey...no torture involved.

"I hate it when people equate us eating meat to something like this. You and I both know that this would never happen today. If we were meant to eat only plants, we wouldn't have teeth designed to eat plants and animals."

-He was giving an example. Are we not animals ourselves? Do we not have meat and the same body parts as a cow? Yes. So how is him comparing it to this so unbelievable to fathom? It's not.

Also, are teeth evolved so we COULD eat both. It doesn't mean we have to now. At one time we did have to eat meat to survive, but there are many other choices a person could make in this day and age. People today treat animals like they are nothing to the world..if they are so important then why do people treat them so badly just for a hamburger?

"I have no problem with people being vegetarian, but I hate it when they try to paint us meat eaters as these cruel sadists."

Is feeding yourself animals just because they taste good not cruel?

I hate when meat eaters do a lot of stuff, such as:

-When they try to make arguments against non meat eaters, but have no points to prove what they are saying.

-When they act like we are stupid for not eating meat. I have never tried to convert someone to veganism, but as soon as a meat eater finds out I'm vegan all hell breaks loose.

-I really hate it when they use the argument, “God put animals on this earth for us to eat”. Maybe he did, but he would not want us to torture animals and over feed ourselves for our gluttonous pleasures. He also put veggies and fruit on this great earth for us to eat, but people are too worried how they will make it one meal without eating any meat.

If you are going to eat meat, then find, but don’t get on here to try to make stupid remarks to make your self look better.

i am sorry that you have such a limited taste palette. you're missing out on a lot of delicious and healthy foods. and it sounds like you don't eat any vegetables, meaning you problem miss out on a lot of essential nutrients. i'm sure you will have many health problems. you only have one body and one life, and eating healthy is a way to maintain that. if you could just suffer through eating 2-3 servings of vegetables today you can prevent many more years possibly of suffering from diseases later in life! and i'm not even talking about cutting meat out of your diet, this is just sound advice!

"I, for instace, probably won't become a vegetarian because it would mean more attention paid to my diet." YOU SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR DIET!! like i said you only have one body, take care of it! eliminate all tasty food?? expand your palette and be adventurous, you will find that meat is not the only source of tastiness. and no, you don't need a specific "meat substitute" there are many delicious recipes not containing meat.

choosing to eat meat only because it is tastier and you're lazy to find other food sources is a very selfish argument. however, i don't condemn meat eaters but keep that in mind.

i just encourage you to branch out! try to cook vegetarian recipes, and try to go a day or two every once in a while without eating meat.

Kaustin1067; Such as anything. I never have much luck going to the store and finding what I want already ready for me. I usually have to look online to find recipes that I like. I can eat pretty much make any dessert; it just takes a bit longer to find recipes that work with what I'm making. You name, we can pretty much all ways make it. And you were right about the replacement meat, it’s not good and it doesn’t taste the same; however in certain recipes it mixes well and works...just really depends.

"You can still be healthy with meat.”
--That is true. There are even some overweight vegans. I made the statement that I did because you said that people can’t live without meat, at least not happily. Everyone could, they just have to be willing to do so.

“I hate beans and peanut butter.”
--You stated that meat was an easy way to get protein. I was just trying to inform you that there are a lot of easier ways to get protein. It’s actually better and easier to digest the protein in plants than so in meat.

“Have you watched Temple Grandin? That women invented a machine to calm the cows before they get slaughtered. So your saying a few seconds of pain is still torture? What about hunters, who I'm pretty sure kill their prey instantly.”
--No I have not watched it. I was not arguing against hunters. I don’t like hunters, but I feel if they do it to feed their family then that is fine. I don’t like it when people treat hunting as a sport however. It also depends on what methods the hunter uses to kill their prey. If they used a bow and arrow for instance, they usually don’t die instantly.

I know that people are still going to eat meat no matter what, but I feel as though the animal deservers respect. I actually respected the farmer that raised his own animals in this documentary. There is no need to treat animals as though they can't feel or as though they have no fear, because they do.

“We are animals yes, just sentient animals who can talk and have big brains and know what's happening.”
--I don't think animals always know, say when they are going to get their throat cut, but animals are a lot smarter than what people give them credit for. I’m not completely agreeing with the original poster. I don’t think that we will ever actually eat humans, but I do see where he is coming from. People do things to animals and each other because they feel they are less than them. I’m defiantly not saying a cow should earn more respect than a human does, but I can see his point.

“What? Your kind of contradicting yourself there.“
--Yeah…don’t really know where I was going on that one. :/

“If we all became Vegan, what would we do with all those domestic animals."
--We would not have all those animals today if the food industry did not produce them. The industry keeps these cows coming for the people who eat them. And for the putting them down part, are they not already going to be “put down” for us in the first place?

“I never think people are stupid for being vegitarian or even vegan.”
--Well thank you, I guess I just know some really crappy people.

“As long as they don't suffer. It happens in nature all the time.”
--The circle of life does happen all the time in nature, but I wouldn’t consider mass killings for fast profit as something that would happen naturally.

“I never said that God Put animals on earth for us."
--I know you did not say this, I was just stating a few things that meat eaters do that gets under my skin.

“Yes, to you it may sound horrible but it's just the way things are. People eat meat because they have different tastes than you."

I know people will always eat meat, and I know me not eating meat is not really helping a lot of animals out in the long run. I would still be eating meat today if people still had consideration for them. If I ever ate meat again (which is not likely) it would probably be if I bought it from an actual farmer, someone who actually has respect for them, ya know?

You hate it when people try to make it out like every meat eater is cruel, I know this is not true. The meat industry is cruel however. I hate it when people try to make it out like ever animal lover is a nut job (I’m not saying you are doing this). People will always pin others in a group just because we have a few things in common. I don’t assume you beat and torture animals just because you eat meat, and I hope you don't assume I'm insane. I can tell that we have some things in common, but I guess we are just going to have to learn to (I hate this saying) agree to disagree on some things.

just in reference to the first part of your reply - somebody sneaking veggies into your food is NOT the same as you sneaking bacon into theirs. Sneaking meat into their food would violate their moral code. not to mention cause digestion problems. sneaking vegetables into your food is harmless and only beneficial to your health anyway.

i've never seen an unhealthy looking vegetarian/vegan, and i've seen plenty of unhealthy looking omnivores. i guess the vegan diet would need to be specific because Twizzlers and Cokes for all meals = vegan

the following athletes are/were vegan: Mac Danzig, Daniel Bryan (aka Bryan Danielson), Keith Holmes, Brendan Brazier, Carl Lewis, Mike Tyson, Tony Gonzalez, Adam Myerson, Jack Lalanne, Killer Kowalski, Van Willaims, and Jackie Chan

the following hot women are all vegan: Carrie Underwood, Natalie Portman, Marilu Henner, Alicia Silverstone, Shania Twain, Lisa Kudrow, and Shannon Elizabeth

and i'm sure both lists could be added to

saying every vegetarian looks sick and undernourished with no muscle tone is flat out wrong. i guess a homeless person who has not eaten anything in a while might qualify under your definition

i could make a list of the non vegetarians who have no muscle on their body due to all of their fat, who look sick from walking 10 feet, etc... and there is nothing natural about that, but a list that long would crash the internet

You haven't read the other extensive posts have you?

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