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'and they have a Plan'

posted 15 years ago by glynne482060
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Subject text taken from so many episodes from the series.

Spoiler below...

I watched this expecting to see something new - to find out what the plan was. Instead we find out that this plan was the destruction of the colonies which as we all know happened in the mini series. So it would have been more accurate in the series to say "and they had a plan". I watched this series expecting "the plan" to unfold at some point. We were all misled. Well that's one way of looking at it. The other way would have been to write in a plan but of course doing it without interfering with the "All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again." would be tricky.

Also during this the cylon brother Cavill looked at some of the final five as if he knew they were cylons. In the series his line boxed another model for seeing the final five saying it was forbidden knowledge.

I don't like it when the writers fail - I really don't.

[–] hikaricore 15 years ago

The plan was to show a closeup of a wang in the shower scene.

[–] frankguthrie 15 years ago

Not to forget tits in the shower!

This movie was a epic Fail. Nothing new. But then again the whole of BSG failed after the writers didn't know were to go with the series.

[–] glynne482060 15 years ago

Yeah the shower scene made a change. Better than walking down a plain corridor :)

[–] frankguthrie 15 years ago

Better then looking at old footage.

[–] c4rter 15 years ago

lol, yeah, I was shocked to the the wang in the shower scene

[–] glynne482060 15 years ago

lol - I didn't even notice it at first. Perhaps there's a new equality rule out or some kinda 'titwang' ratio.

[–] tad-32 14 years ago

I'll never understand people being 'shocked' by seeing genitalia.

I'm shocked by how stupid we behave in trying to pixelize it on modern tv or showing people wearing shorts in situations where 99.9% of people never do (like when they get out of bed).

Half of EVERYONE came down a 'wang' and ALL of EVERYONE came down a 'pussy', for pete's sake. I'll never understand it, like some kind of collective prudish insanity.

[–] TheStantz 15 years ago

Also during this the cylon brother Cavill looked at some of the final five as if he knew they were cylons. In the series his line boxed another model for seeing the final five saying it was forbidden knowledge.

He always knew. He was the only one that knew. Did you even watch the series? They even showed at the beginning of this movie.

[–] Pootmatoot 15 years ago

"He always knew. He was the only one that knew. Did you even watch the series? They even showed at the beginning of this movie."

Exactly.

I love the fact that the Cylon Plan essentially totally fell apart and went to complete *beep* It makes the whole "Cylons and Humans are essentially the same" motif so much better. They were making everything up as they went along, and their opinions changing screwed everything. I loved that.

If we found out that there was some super secret ingenious plot, i would have been disappointed.

[–] glynne482060 15 years ago

If he always knew then fair enough - I stand corrected on that point. Yeah I remember he certainly knew about Ellen. So with that being the case why did he have a whole line of cylon boxed? Was it that he felt threatened by others knowing?

Re the rest of it though "cylon plan falling apart", etc. It still doesn't change the fact that the episodes stated "and they have a plan". In other words it doesn't say "they had a plan but it wasn't completely successful".

[–] The_MaddogUK 15 years ago

*****SPOILERS******

Of course he felt threatened!

Listen to the final speech made by Dean Stockwell / One / Cavil in the movie. It was pretty much a statement that he hated being / looking like a human.

For me it tied in nicely with the series and gave it a very nice Cylon perspective. We saw certain models showing human traits. The cylon commiting suicide rather than kill his human family was a rather touching scene. It shows (as we know from the series anyway) that they Cylon skin jobs WHERE more than machines but (from "The Plans" timeline/perspective)it was something the Galactica One / Cavil couldnt grasp or didnt want to accept. However we saw that the One / Cavil that joined the Freedom Fighters on Capric DID learn (he didnt kill Kara when he had the chance) because he realised that it the Cylons who needed to learn, not the humans (or perhaps the original 5). Thats exactly why the Galactica One / Cavil states (and obviously succeded) he's going to "box" the Caprica One / Cavil.

For me, this stated there was never a plan other than "kill all humans" and it was was all One / Cavil pulling the strings since day one.

Well that my interpretation anyway.

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[–] ethankling 15 years ago

Seems the plan would be to make the "final five" learn. While killing humanity was a plan the overarching plan seems to be more about Cavil teaching his parents a lesson, beginning by placing them into humanity and ending when resistance Cavil finally understood they were the one's that were wrong. So, yeah, it was a fly by the seat of your pants plan most of the time but it was all directed to one end.

[–] LittleMissDysthymia 15 years ago

Seems the plan would be to make the "final five" learn. While killing humanity was a plan the overarching plan seems to be more about Cavil teaching his parents a lesson, beginning by placing them into humanity and ending when resistance Cavil finally understood they were the one's that were wrong. So, yeah, it was a fly by the seat of your pants plan most of the time but it was all directed to one end.

I agree. I was just about to post something similar when I saw this.

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[–] PapaMihel 15 years ago

Apart from excessive nudity the movie added nothing new.

[–] The_MaddogUK 15 years ago

Perhaps.Perhaps not!

It was better than nothing and i did enjoy it..and on the bright side, it leaves an opening for a new movie covering the cylon civil wars..if they choose to do that!

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[–] jack-crow 15 years ago

The series failed at the end (well, actually halfway through), but I really enjoyed this movie.

Too bad the writers never had "a plan".

[–] The_MaddogUK 15 years ago

Its a matter of opinion I suppose!

For me, BSG (as a whole) was not something I expected (having watched the original as a kid).

I expected one thing but got another. I dont feel it failed at any point, it just had it's moments where it felt slightly directionless and lost (mostly with the Starbuck re-birth story line that just left a whole bunch of questions and no answers) but then considering the subject matter and setting it didnt really detract much from the show. As series endings go, I think BSG has offered the best ending (or worse if you want more) of any TV show I've watched.

That said, I look forward to Bryan Singers BSG with baited breath. I have ZERO problems with any re-imaginings, remakes or reboots as long as they are well done.

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[–] MParthes 15 years ago

I actually agree with most of what you say. I found the movie to be amazing (maybe because I have been craving a "fix" since the series ended), and that it tied in perfectly with the series as well as revealing alot of tiny bits that we didnt know before.

Too all those that think season 4 blew, well BSG was never about giving you right or wrong answers served on a platter, but about questioning your own humanity. Alot of people fear to treat those waters, becase sometimes what you end up with isnt pretty or what you expected. Thats just my 5 cents, feel free to disagree. :)

[–] biffo-1 15 years ago

I agree with you, BSG was all about examining ourselves, but that's why S4 went downhill because they didn't do a good job of it. I don't want right and wrong answers, just decent writing that makes sense and doesn't resort to a deity get-out clause for resolution.

I'm glad they tried to swim in those waters but I think it was more drowning than swimming in the end.

Holmes: (after poking a dead man with a stick) "It is my opinion ... that he is dead"

[–] ArchStanton1862 12 years ago

Yeah, I remember sitting down after the miniseries and I thought up all the possible ways it could end. There were only really three options.
1. They could never find earth.
2. They could find earth and it would have no relation to our earth.
3. They could find our earth and become our ancestors.
I suppose that there's also a fourth one where they arrive on earth and it's the present, but they tried that in the original Battlestar and it just didn't work.

Two of those are ideas that could work, although one would be a bit disappointing. The third is the one that I sat and thought, "What is the worst possible ending they could have?" And of course that's the one they went with. Though not before toying around with me for a while by making it seem like they took another route. So having concluded in the worst possible scenario I could imagine the series left rather a bitter taste in my mouth. Not that it ruins the earlier seasons, but the knowledge of what is to come certainly dampens them. Which brings us to this movie. One which I have no intention of watching. Bringing much of what I dislike about the later seasons back into the first few is not an endearing idea.

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[–] Baxteritis 10 years ago

Cavil was Number One. He ALWAYS knew who the final five were. He's the one who forbade the others to know anything about them. He didn't want them questioning his motives or plan to not only attack the colonies but to completely wipe out humanity and rub the final five's noses in it.

The plan was all an act of vengeful spiteness of a child against his parents. All of the Cavils always knew who the final five were.

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