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There would be no survivors.


In the event of a zombie apocalypse, mosquitoes and similar insects would eventually spread the infection to everyone.









If that's not good enough for you, also consider the possibility that the virus could mutate and adapt over time so that it a) is easily carried by small animals/insects (if this is not already the case) or b) becomes airborne.

Just a few things for you to think about there.

And before anyone feels the need to rant and rave about how I am so wrong and am SUCH A DISGRACE OMG HOW DARE YOU BE WRONG, please don't waste your time. I'm just pointing out a few things people usually fail to consider, not trying to start some kind of epic war over it.

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You are so wrong and such a disgrace.

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I know, I should totally go kill myself right now and do the world a favour

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By that logic, everyone on Earth would have every virus in existence.

It doesn't work like that.

Mosquitoes would help spread the virus (provided it was a virus, in Dead Set we have no idea what's causing the dead to rise). And that's working off a lot of assumptions. Maybe mosquitoes would instinctively avoid the blood of rotting corpses, maybe mosquitoes would die as soon as they drank infected blood, etc.

And again, the virus mutating and adapting is working off the assumption that it's a virus. And it could just as easily not mutate or adapt. And even if it did, that doesn't mean it could suddenly infect everyone.

There would most likely be small pockets of survivors.

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But if the virus isn't airborne or unable to be carried by animals and insects, how did the plague reach Great Britain?? Surely if the virus had spread on a plane or a ship then (a) the plane would have crashed and (b) the ship would have veered off course or gone around in circles wherever in the ocean it was located.

The only assumption is that the virus can infect birds and insects and that's how it reached Great Britain. Once these birds or insects caught sight of humans, they attacked and from there it spread.

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What's to say it didn't originate in Britain?

We don't know if it effected anywhere outside of the UK.

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Well my question actually originated from what Riq said to Kelly in the final episode - "this thing is global" - implying that the whole planet had been infected. I don't know how he came to that assumption mind, as there was nothing in the show to imply the plague had spread globally.

So it's hard to surmise whether the virus originated in Britain or elsewhere. Either way, how would the virus have travelled over the ocean to reach or leave Britain?! The only way it could have done so is if the virus was airborne or had travelled through birds or even rats disembarking from ships (which is how the Great Plague of the 15th century started).

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Nothing says it was even a virus causing it all.

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It certainly looked like virus if Angel's deep bite mark looked very vivid and festering from something.

There was no real proof the zombie invasion was global, we don't know beyond what the characters have seen first hand, since Riq was in the middle of remote(ish) countryside and briefly picked up a weak radio signal.

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Yeah, and I never did pick up what exactly was transmitted over that radio broadcast. But then it seemed pointless and irrelevant to the story if Riq then so boldly asserted that the plague was global and there would be no help overseas.

As I and gregforttmags have said though, there is no proof the zombie plague was happening worldwide. So Riq's statement seemed to serve as an empty justification for the housemates not to leave the compound and therefore pave the way for Patrick to go mental. Indeed, what was then the whole point of wasting half of episode 4 preparing their getaway with the flesh throwing??

cyber-turnip - if it wasn't a virus, then what do you think might have caused it??

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Whilst I think it was most likely a virus, it could have been anything. God's will, alien's using some weird technology on us, radiation, some sort of chemical, who knows?

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Didn't the European Space Agency send a space probe to Venus a few years back?

Hmmmm......


PAX...

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The ESA's launch facilities are in French Guana and New Caledonia, so if it was a European space mission South America or Australia would have been struck first. :P





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I got the feeling Riq only said that to try and convice Kelly not to attempt to leave. there was nothing to say it was global, it was suggested france was suffering from it (so maybe europe) but beyond that who knows.

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But then the findings of said probe were clearly brought back to the UK for study...

Hmmmmm.......


PAX....

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It couldn't be a virus, it couldn't be radiation (that seriously makes no sense, it's like saying commercials caused zombies), nor could it be crazy space dust.

It would have to be a parasite or a very advanced fungus and it would only be able to affect the newly dead and intact, not half-people or people who have been dead for longer than a day, what with rigor-mortis and all.

Anyways, zombie movies aren't about wondering how zombies could actually happen because they are always a metaphor for our paranoia of those around us.

They were big during the cold war because the current propaganda led us to believe anyone could be a spy, therefore we didn't trust anyone. In the 70's and 80's they were popular again because of a public fear of AIDS, or so the film analysts say. Now I would guess they are coming back because of 9/11 and the fear of "terror cells" and the constant threat of "bio terrorism".

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Anyways, zombie movies aren't about wondering how zombies could actually happen because they are always a metaphor for our paranoia of those around us.


That's too bad because I like to find out WHY an outbreak happens. I am always disappointed when it is never discussed or even mentioned.



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If you like to read, read the Newsflesh series by Mira Grant. She goes into detail on how the outbreaks in her universe started and how they continue till this day,

"What's Pre-Revolutionary France doing on a spaceship? Get a little perspective!"

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I think fiction caused it.

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Best. Answer. Ever.

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in the french radio message they did say tout le monde and I believe that means the whole world (dont pin me down on it)

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"in the french radio message they did say tout le monde and I believe that means the whole world (dont pin me down on it)"

French doesn't always translate literally. In that case, it means "everyone"... which is more like what you would say when addressing a nation ('everyone should seek shelter'). It doesn't mean anything about the world itself, basically. We really don't know.

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or it STARTED in Britain....

What's all this shouting? We'll have no trouble here

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What? YOu mean you DON'T have every virus in existence? My doctor told me I was normal!

My name is Ebola Typhoid-Mary Feverson, by the way and I reek of soiled bananas.

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well, no, simply no.
imagine this: mosquito or any other flying object gets bitten by zombie (cause their blood is not enouh, at least not in dead set). he turns into a zmobie, which means a retarded slum that tosses himself around. HE CANT FLY. so he cant carry disease anywhere. also if you are baricated in building, it is not likely a mosquito will fly miles jsut to bite you if he managed to find a hole.
also, lets imagine its a virus, which is a littel chance too, it wont mutate by itself so it become airborne, otherwise, it would have already done that.

"If you have a gun, you don't need to work out"

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When there's no more room in hell, the dead shall walk the Earth..

The world will look up and shout, "Save us!" And I'll whisper..."No." ...

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thats from rise of the dead not from dead set. two different zombie ideologies.

"If you have a gun, you don't need to work out"

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Don't forget that some people might be naturally immune to whatever it is.

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For those debating whether it was global and how Riq knew, it was from the French broadcast. I took French in high school, so it is very rusty and was never that good anyway, but I did catch the phrase "tout le monde" which means "all the world." Alex, at least, seemed to understand French as she mentioned the ports being bad based on the broadcast.

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Tout le monde in this case means everybody. But your memory is correct :)

"It is strongly advised that everybody reach the closest emergency shelter now...
It is strongly advised not to come to any port. The ships are more than full and nobody can leave or enter the country".

English translation might sound broken but not my mother tongue, sorry. :/

At least, it seems to indicate that it spreads from UK as the french seem a bit more prepared. But as the message is repeating itself several times, it can be a recording. So could be as dead as UK.

*beep* we didn't have time to surrender ;)

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I'm French and you sir are RIGHT!Perfect translation and I think you've got the good point

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tout le monde means everyone, the direct translation is all the world, but it means everyone. That broadcast could very well have been a french radio explaining the evacuation procedures, unlikely though.

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But do mosquitos feed on corpses?

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1. Virus?

2. Which species of mosquito do you know of that can feed on coagulated blood?

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if the virus is transmitted from bites, that suggests it's more likely to be in their saliva than their blood, so mosquitos wouldn't be a threat even if they did bite the zombies

I happen to be in possession of those documents...

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Everyone in the show that turned in to a zombie did so post mortem so I would assume it would have to be supernatural in origin. Then again they turned into zombies pretty quickly after death so you could argue their brains didn't shut down and they didn't die but fell into a coma, quickly mutated and woke up so I have no idea what point I'm trying to make here. Brrrrrrainsssssssssssssssss

What I don't get, assuming it isn't an airbourne virus, is how it manages to spread to everywhere in zombie films/shows. Obviously it just adds to the feeling of despair and the idea that we're all doomed but some countries are sparsely populated between big towns/cities and you'd think a military would become aware that one of their bases were down or would recieve a transmission from somewhere near the initial infection and prepare for a mass strike on infected areas to wipe it out. In that regard I think Shaun Of The Dead has the most plausible ending.

But it's fiction and as we don't know the fictional cause of the swarms of undead in most cases, we can but speculate with no hope of definitive answers. Fun though.

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Bob, I think you address the most crucial point in your first sentence - that people become zombies post-mortem. Zombies are, in the general tradition, walking corpses, the dead walking - note that Romero's films almost never use the word 'zombie', but refer instead to the living dead. Being dead is what makes you a zombie, and you become a zombie when you die, whether it be of old age or zombie attack.

All this talk of a virus seems rather confused, rather all-the-fault-of-28 Days Later. Is it surprising that people seriously bitten by animated corpses die quickly? It implies some extra virulence, but that doesn't have to mean a virus, and the idea of a virus having any impact on a corpse is as silly as thinking a mosquito could feed on coagulated blood. Perhaps there is a virus - but that would do no more than kill you, it certainly couldn't animate your corpse, so as you say, it's being dead that makes you zombie, not having a disease (which by definition requires a living system to exist in).

By this point the zombie apocalypse is such a well-established scenario that explanations are only necessary if the film declares it to be necessary. Even the original Night of the Living Dead didn't need much of an explanation - that was never the point.

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You're right, it wasn't the point. It's just a bit of fun to speculate. Like I said though in response to the idea that's a virus, if they fell into a coma rather than died it would explain how the brain is still active on any level. If they're dead the brain would be dead and unable to control the rest of the body so the idea of anything making a dead body get up and function on any level is also silly. They're never referred to as zombies by the characters these days anyway so if you're a purist who sticks to the idea that they're only zombies if they're dead and slow you could argue that 28 Days Later, Dawn remake and Dead Set aren't zombies. I don't get Simon Peggs argument in a guardian article that death doesn't make them superhuman because the chemicals that give us muscle fatigue wouldn't affect a corpse so they would run through pain and rigor mortis isn't permanent. However the idea of a corpse getting up anyway is inherently ridiculous so why get hung up on it?

I refer to this type as modern zombies and the old type as Romero zombies (seeing as his films made them most famous). Evil Dead zombies are demonic in their source. Considering the monsters used share so much in common it seems daft to me to say one is a zombie and the other is something else. They're different interpretations on the same basic idea. Like the vampires in Buffy being different to the vampires in Blade, still basically vampires.

As I said though, I agree the source of the zombie hordes is not the point. Romero used them for social commentary and others use them for scares which they achieve without explanation.

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You're quite right, of course, that the idea is inherently silly any way you look at it, which undermines some of my criticisms. I suppose just find it a bit... head-scratching that people talk about viruses in relation to zombies, because it seems to me that whatever similarities may exist, the idea of Infected humans (in their various forms, e.g. Rabid as well as 28DL) is a seperate (though parallel) one. I'll admit, REC clearly ploughs through this distinction, and REC is fantastic. But hey. I'm grumpy, I confess it.

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>> In the event of a zombie apocalypse, mosquitoes and similar insects would eventually spread the infection to everyone.

That depends on who's writing the script ;).
In Max Brook's "Zombie Survival Guide" & "World War Z", the virus can't be spread by animals because it kills them before it turns them. Also, animals/insects don't go near infected bodies because they can sense that something 'is wrong' with them. So, in his books it's clearly stated that insects can't become carriers.
But if I recall correctly, in Matheson "I am Legend" the vampirism virus was indeed spread by insects.
It all just depends on the imagination of the author :)

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As they did say the infected did die, I doubt insects would feed from them, especially since it seems they stopped pumping blood(that tv host's neck wound stopped bleeding).

As for the virus thing, I don't think it would become airborne so quickly, you don't just go from being communicable by blood to being able to sustain yourself in the air overnight or anything, although I do agree they would mutate, but so could the survivors, as in immunity).

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Right, this is how I see it.

As for mosquitos and insects carrying it mosquitos do not carry every disease, they do not carry HIV or AIDS. As previously mentioned there is no reason why a virus would have to cross a species barrier into birds, rats, etc.

As for how did it get to Great Britain, assuming it didn't start here. Well, imagine someone is bitten, as happened with one of the characters, they didn't transform straight away. It took time. Also, people would not have realised what was happening straight away, if someone was bitten, got on a boat, and turned into a zombie, people would have been reluctant to kill a person, they would not have known it was a zombie or anything unnatural.

Personally I think zombie films/tv shows always overestimate the strength of the zombies. I think the military would do quite well against zombies.

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Also it would be smart to assume a percentage of people would actually be immune to the virus as with most and as for mozzies I don't know if it's been said but I think the virus is transferee through syliva not blood furthermore female mozzies are the only ones who suck blood in order to draw protein for laying eggs (I think) which wouldn't be necassary if they were dead and I think we should assume that the mozzies would only be careiers if they did draw blood

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Like stated how would mosquitos draw coagulated blood? A way of saying it was spread through mosquitos would be someone was bitten by a zombie, or injected with the "virus". But some animals if not many has a sort of sense as stated maybe mosquitos would sense something was wrong. Also maybe if they draw infected blood it would kill them. Secondly as in Resident evil the virus actually reanimates the dead body with electrical impulses as to make the brain function again. Unless I'm mistaken. Also it seems that in some movies like resident evil and 28 days later the zombies can literally survive forever. But I doubt a virus of whatever kind could alter your metabolism and energy output to such a rate that u barely need any food or sustenance to be able to walk or whatever. Massive science or not they can't survive without food of some kind and since they don't eat eachother almost all of them except the ones who can find some food would die within a week. I believe food is a week and water is 3 days? Also if it's not airborne there are several places in the world that are remote or so secure nothing would get up there, especially not a zombie. Think tibet up in the mountains or area 51. You don't flash ur id you get a headshot. Imagine trying to walk in with half a limb, blood splattered over your body and mouth and no id.

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Two things: Mosquitos aren't present in all parts of the world, especially where its cold. Secondly, mosquitos don't bite people who aren't warm. Zombies would be at room temperature and ignored by them.

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I don't see how there even is a question of how the pandemic came to England. I mean, there is that tunnel. And basically, if there's an zombie outbreak in France, it could spread pretty much everywhere a zombie could walk. Which is Russia, Asia, Africa and Scandinavia. So if an outbreak occurs in Europe and it's transmitted only via biting, you'd be quite safe in the Americas and Australia. And New Zealand & Tasmania would almost certainly avoid the whole thing.

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