Terrible


Saw this at Cinema Sundays at the Charles and couldn't stay for the whole thing. Just dreadful.

The acting was on a scale between bad and pathetically bad. The engineer from Brazil...? Sorry, I don't know when I've seen someone so ill-suited to a role -- probably not in community theater. Maybe not in a high school play. Unless the script says, "walks into room grinning madly at random times." And the main character -- watching him snap pictures, I NEVER believed he was a photographer -- not for a second. Watch a photographer to see how they take pictures.

The script? Please. The conversation at the table about pollution was the least natural conversation I can imagine. Oh, and, did the guy say the space telescope had looked back to within 500 billion years of the Big Bang? That's like saying Toledo is 100,000 miles away. Since the Big Bang was some 14 billion years ago, that's a nonsensical statement. It's not a small thing -- 500 billion years is an impossibly long time. Maybe that was bad translation.

AND: if you're going to smoke in a movie, and you don't know how, find someone who smokes and watch how they do it. Hint: there's inhaling involved.

Also, if you have a photographer and he has a big, bulky camera bag that he carries around with him, it should have more than a single camera in it (and how about maybe a tripod, or a monopod, for shooting dead bodies in bad light...?) AND if it's his only camera, it should not be something that was state of the art 40-50 years ago.

I couldn't stay for the whole thing, because I had plenty of more important things to do. I kept staying because I kept thinking it was going to grow to a point, but eventually I gave up. When he discovered the bird had died and went running out of the house, I went running out of the theater AAAAAAaaaaaaahhh!

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GEORGE
And all's fair in love and war?
MRS. BAILEY
[primly] I don't know about war.

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"The conversation at the table about pollution was the least natural conversation I can imagine."
Well, I thought it was pretty true.

"Oh, and, did the guy say the space telescope had looked back to within 500 billion years of the Big Bang?"
I understood he was talking about the cosmic microwave background in rather broad terms; it's pretty clear that he is an architectural engineer, so he is not supposed to be competent in cosmology. Most people have no idea where the cosmic microwave background is located, and he's just one of them.

"AND if it's his only camera, it should not be something that was state of the art 40-50 years ago."
Many professional photographers only use old cameras, often exclusively. Just like many musicians still the same guitars that were designed 60 years ago. I met a photographer at an exhibition who exclusively used the same kind of camera the photographer did in that movie.

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Be that as it may, the movie was still painfully slow AND not compelling or engaging in any way. In my opinion.

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That's my opinion too.

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Boring. Nothing happens. Slow. Kept watching thinking something would happen, it'll get better. If you read the review you know what happens. There is no surprise to make it better. Please, folks, don't bother seeing this, save your money.

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You can't see the magic of it, you can't see the beauty of the movie. If you think you know better than a guy that has been making films for a whole life (102 years) i would like to see one of your own.
It would probably some randoom hollywood crap, but at least it wouldn't be boring right...? cut here, cut there, action, action, action, cut cut cut..!
And the point ? i guess all of you read the review.

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We like other Oliveira movies, but not this one. Do you consider Oliveira's other movies to be some "random hollywood crap" ?

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Oh c'mon man. If you saw the latest work he has been doing you could've anticipated how this would be. Especially if you watched the trailer beforehand, and knowing Manoel de Oliveira, I always do xD

If it was ur first time it would be okay if u had found the film too slow but u knew where u were getting urself into.
And damn it was absolutely what I anticipated!

La jeunesse sait ce qu'elle ne veut pas avant de savoir ce qu'elle veut

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I thought...although it wasn't exactly the best movie, it was a good story of sorts and I could appreciate. Maybe something I wouldn't mind seeing on the stage. The graphics and style that the spirits were portrayed were...very strange I suppose; gave it that classic 'ghost' in an old movie look. But I was able to catch on to some of the symbolism and that was nice.

Not horrible, not exquisite, but alright.

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I too saw this train wreck. I would rather eat rancid pork than sit through this painful cinematic bore fest that moves slower than growing mold underneath those old leftovers pushed back into the deep holds of your refridgerator. God please strike me blind if I ever have to watch this celluliod torture again!!!

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I fully agree with your comments, I lasted about 50 minutes into this dull bore,It seemed like more than one hour.

To thine own self be true
Sir Jay Harris---Sirbossman

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First of all, does this film suck? Far from it.
Do you need to know that this is a movie directed by Manoel de Oliveira before you go and see it? Absolutely.
Will you survive otherwise? Probably not.

Ths script is as simple as a common dramatic play and as heavy/slow as it should be. Scarce action and, therefore, slow pace.

Was he a professional photographer? Nope, as far as we know. He was a Jew called Isaac, interested in photography, who moved to one of the poorest places in Portugal and who was living in a traditional cheap Residencial.

I am sorry you didnt like it but again I dont think you were prepared for that. I totally understand that when we go to the cinema this is not what we normally want to find.
Luckily for me, I imagined how this would be as I've following most of his recent works and after all this time I decided I'd watched it today. I was finally 'in the zone'.

About the smoking part, many films in Portugal portray actors 'smoking' without inhaling. First I thought it was stupid not to just do a stupid smoking scene but then I saw some who are actual smokers doing the same thing while acting. I dont see the point of it but it is common practice. Ok, they are fake smoking, then they act like they are fake smoking, lol.

La jeunesse sait ce qu'elle ne veut pas avant de savoir ce qu'elle veut

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The acting was on a scale between
formal and stilted, and purposefully so. Formality is both achronic and anachrostic and both help to create an old-fashioned-yet-modern ambiance. Stilted acting is an intentionally choreographed solecism, it slows time down, bringing it to a halt (in fact through most of the film there is no camera movement) and slowing time down slows the viewers' mental thought processes and brings the viewers into the ambiance. Stilted acting also has an old-fashioned feel to it, further complimenting the anachronistic ambiance.
And the main character -- watching him snap pictures, I NEVER believed he was a photographer -- not for a second. Watch a photographer to see how they take pictures.
He took pictures the same way photographers before the digital age took pictures
The script? Please
Life? Please.
The conversation at the table about pollution was the least natural conversation I can imagine
In this day and age it's impossible to not have a conversion at the dinner table that crosses over into political/social issues, pollution included. Pollution is a dinner table issue for people who pay attention to the news.
Oh, and, did the guy say the space telescope had looked back to within 500 billion years of the Big Bang? That's like saying Toledo is 100,000 miles away. Since the Big Bang was some 14 billion years ago, that's a nonsensical statement.
There is a reason why he exaggerated the numbers, it emphasized the vast unknowability of the cosmos, how old the cosmos was compared to the age of man, the impossibility of ever truly understanding the cosmos or man's place in the cosmos or conquering death, and the timeless [exaggerated] age of the universe mirrored Isaac's timeless and "exaggerated" obsession with love and death. The discussion about the origins of the universe and its age and anti-matter intensified Isaac's distress about the brevity of human life, about how human life is a mere dust mote on the cosmic scale
Hint: there's inhaling involved.
Many European smokers do not inhale
Also, if you have a photographer and he has a big, bulky camera bag that he carries around with him, it should have more than a single camera in it (and how about maybe a tripod, or a monopod, for shooting dead bodies in bad light...?) AND if it's his only camera, it should not be something that was state of the art 40-50 years ago.
That was intentional; anachrostic and antiquated settings in the modern era that blur the timeline are the director's trademarksAt the beginning Isaac is an emotionally arrested lonely character longing to be touched, he tries to feel the poetry he's reading, Angelica triggers within him deep obsessive passion which must remain trapped and unrequited within him for obvious reasons, the work of the field labourours resembles grave-digging and that triggers in Isaac an obsession with dying/death, dig and bury and sweep over and dig and bury and sweep over and dig and bury and sweep over, in dreams he bursts into life and wakes gasping for what he can never have. As Isaac's hallucinations and mental dissociation increase, the film's ambiance becomes more pensive and meditative and filled with quietude, as if it's perpetual nighttime, a nocturne, the feeling heightened by Chopin's graceful piano strokes, a placid temporal ambiance at odds with Isaac's inner torment. Then he has an epiphany - in death he can cross the divide separating him from Angelica, he takes flight out of the house he's staying in, running down old European streets and alleys towards wish-fulfillment. It's similar to Somewhere In Time with Christopher Reeve and Jane Seymour.

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A very thoughtful and informative post.

And the acting...

formal and stilted, and purposefully so

Thank you. Why do some people think all film acting should replicate the way real people speak and emote? It’s aggravating to hear people brainlessly complain that movies by certain directors (Robert Bresson, Carl Theodor Dreyer, Jean Marie Straub and Danièle Huillet, to name a few) contain “bad acting”. You can even find different types of acting styles in modern American cinema (David Mamet’s House of Games is one that comes to mind). Look at old Hollywood before naturalistic acting became commonplace. Having such a closed mindset on film acting really restricts your enjoyment of unconventional types of films and movies from different eras.

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Beautiful, meaningful, profound film. Not boring in the least. And there's no need for verisimilitude at all _ it's like watching a tale of the Christ and complaining that he ressurects at the end.

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