Master Chief vs. Samus Aran

Of course an energy sword would harm a metroid. Do you know how powerful those things are?

I'm not proposing Samus is limted to just her regular arm cannon, I want her abilities to be consistent with the rest of the games.

When Samus tries to take on Master Chief, it's like watching John Lithgow fight Sylvester Stallone all over again.

Yes I do know how strong they are, like I said I actually prefer halo to metroid, but character for character Samus clearly has the edge.

Samus fights space pirates all the time and they carry energy swords, she shrugs it off like they're nothing. A halo energy sword would maybe kill a baby metroid with multiple strikes, but no chance against a full grown.

You clearly underestimate how powerful a metroid is, only two beings in HISTORY have survived a metroid attack, Samus and motherbrain

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-Judge Fudge

The energy sword in Metroid is clearly not the energy sword used in Halo.

If it can cut through the armor of Elites and Spartans, it can cut through the armor of Metroids and Samus.

Two problems with that statement:

1. Samus' armor is worlds superior to a Spartans

2. The metroid is a biological organism, it has no armor. Weapons literally go Through it

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-Judge Fudge

1. I've already proven Master Chief's armor to be superior.

2. The energy sword would pierce the metroid's innards.

You havent proved anything xD

He survived a light bulb laser attack, big whoop lol. Him crashing Into a spaceship is good and all, but Samus has simply taken more than chief and her armor is clearly superior lol

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-Judge Fudge

I REPEAT!

A man vs. a girl.

/discussion

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Idiots

Yeah, I have.

http://deadliestfiction.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Deadliest9600/Master_ Chief_vs_Samus_Aran

If Master Chief is unaffected by the cold of space, then he's going to be unaffected by Samus' freeze gun.

Samus' armor doesn't have any healing abilities.

Yes, because the made up story of ONE halo fan proves EVERYTHING. -.-

Chief would not have the ability to rip off samus' arm cannon, and he wouldn't be able to punch through her armor. Her wave beam alone would have killed chief instantly, not just drain his shield. Chief may be able to heal, but most of Samus' weapons would be a one shot kill to chief.

Samus has the more durable and the most damage resistant armor. It has taken MUCH more punishment than chiefs ever has. You are clearly backtracking evidence found in both games, and if you continue to deny everything put forward you either know nothing about metroid or are a RABID halo fanboy lol xD

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-Judge Fudge

lol

A MAN VS. A GIRL!

How many times do I have to say this yeesh..

Samus would be making Master Chief so man sandwiches..


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Idiots

Wow, sexism. Very classy lol

I'm pretty sure a man dies just as easily when getting shot in the face lol xD

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-Judge Fudge

The flood are capable of infecting Elites, therefore, they are able to harm armored opponents.

Even armored elites have parts of their bare bodies visibly exposed (namely their mouths and parts of their legs and arms/hands). So of course they're more susceptible to infection. Samus's armor is enclosed enough to the point where she can survive and function in the vacuum of space. On that note, it's even secure and durable enough to allow her to survive wading through pure molten lava (as shown in many of the games).

When Sergeant Johnson and Captain Keyes found an Elite who was killed by the Flood, his armored chest was torn open. Master Chief is also capable of functioning in space.

Actually, I linked that because of the most recent comment.

I only find the pro-Chief argument slightly more bearabel becuase 1) as monotonous as there arguments may be, there at least based in some form of fact, and 2) I've yet to see a pro Chief argument on this wiki that actully was attacking and insulting the other character or there franchise.

Let me remind you that Master Chief is strong enough to turn a tank over, suffer no injuries after colliding with an all metal spaceship, beat up the best trained forces of the UNSC when he was just 14, and use a rocket launcher as a melee weapon.

Of course the Chief can rip off Samus' arm cannon. He has the strength to do so. What proof do you have of Samus' wave beam killing him instantly? You're overhyping her weapons.

Do I need to remind you that Kraid is too fat to deliver precise attacks on Samus' armor? You're dropping many of the points you brought up. Now you're just using vague reasons to explain why Samus' armor is "superior."

How are my reasons any more vague than yours? Of coarse I have no proof the wave beam can insta kill chief, just like you have no proof chiefs laser/rockets can kill Samus

I'm making common comparisons between the games to make assumptions, for instance a Spartan laser instantly kills chief shield or no shield, Samus' closest weapon to the laser is her wave beam (produces around the same damage) so I can assume it would kill him In one hit, like the laser.

In the lore they're probably not the same strength, but the only proper way to conduct a character battle is to make comparisons and the wave beam seems as powerful as the laser aka insta kill

I have heard some ridiculous pro chief arguments lol like how he could take her down with a DMR shot to the face, witch doesn't even work on an elite in one shot.

I can assume Samus' armor is superior because it has taken more damage than chiefs. A shot from mother brain is AT LEAST as strong as the Spartan laser, and she can take multiple hits and still live, while the laser is a one hit KO to chief.

Chiefs armor is impressive, no doubt, but Samus' is clearly superior. It's flexible enough to turn into a ball, yet strong enough to withstand multiple hits from mother brain and Ridley, AND withstand over three tons of continual force.

Also, what PROOF do you have that the covenant energy sword is stronger than the space pirate energy sword? You have none, so for the sake of comparison we can say they are the same strength, hence Chief cannot kill Samus with the energy sword in one hit.

'I'm sorry, I was too busy... Being Delicious!'

-Judge Fudge

Master Chief's rockets are intended to destroy vehicles. They are also capable of killing Hunters. You should know how strong Hunters are.

So how would you know the wave beam produces the same amount of damage as the Spartan laser? Does it go through tanks?

The enemies Master Chief has been able to kill wear a lot more armor than Samus' enemies.

The only reason why Samus beat Mother Brain is because a baby metroid helped her.

Samus' armor is more flexible, but it is not stronger. She takes damage from just touching enemies.

What proof do I have? The energy swords kills all in enemies in one or two hits. Plus, it has a lunging attack. If it can cut right through Elite armor, Spartan armor, and Brutes, then it can cut through Samus' armor.

And that is where I must disagree with you, I know hunters are strong and all, but With patience a pistol can take it down. Metroids are much more fearsome than hunters, like I said earlier only two people in history have survived a metroid attack, being Samus and motherbrain. With a little luck and descent shooting, even a regular marine can take down a hunter.

The wave beam produces pretty much the same result as the laser (goes through cover and multiple enemies ex), and we have no idea how it would preform against a vehicle, but judging by it's performance I would say it would do just fine. and even if the wave beam ends up doing piss poor against vehicles so what, she's not shooting at vehicles, she's shooting at Chief lol xD I'm pretty sure the wave beam will do it's job

And yes, the halo sword can go through Spartan armor, great! But we've never seen a proper comparison (how a pirate energy sword would hold up anoints Spartan armor, thus rendering your argument invalid. For pure arguement sake (and having NO conclusive data), im going to say they're about equal.

And I still have to disagree over the armor issue, while Chiefs armor isn't far off, it just cannot take the kind of shots samus' suit has taken. Chief would most likely not survive a shot from motherbrain lol

And yes Samus had help killin MB, but like chief never had any help -.- *cortana cough cough* not to mention he has the UNSC backing him up most of the time, while Samus is a lone wolf 99% of the time

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-Judge Fudge

First of all, Hunters don't attack alone. A regular marine would not be able to take them down. With a pistol, you mean the original pistol, right? How are you supposed to take them down in other games that don't have that pistol? There's a reason why Sergeant Johnson tells his men to stand back when two Hunters show up in the second game.

The enemies the wave beam goes through aren't as well armored as Spartans. If it does bad against vehicles, then that means the Spartan laser is stronger. It probably has the same effect as a fully charged plasma pistol on Master Chief.

Can the pirate energy sword cut through enemies in just a few hits? That's all you need to know to figure out what's the stronger sword.

You only assume Samus's armor is better because you believe the enemies in Metroid to be stronger.

What help does Cortana provide? She doesn't boost his abilities. The UNSC usually get killed by the end of the mission. Master Chief is the one fighting off a trained army.

- MC: Even a small vehicle like a Warthog could kill Master Chief by running him over.

- SA: Samus can withstand being literally sat on by Kraid who's WAY bigger and heavier than a Scorpion Tank.


- MC: Chief actually got hurt by Guilty Spark's laser which didn't even kill a relatively normal human like Johnson right away.

- SA: Samus survived against Mother Brain's strongest laser attack. And that was BEFORE the metroid intervened to help Samus. Again, metroids are a species that only 2 beings (Samus and Mother Brain) have survived an attack from in a universe full of alien monsters. Mother Brain killed that metroid with her laser attack. And Samus has killed far stronger metroid forms (full grown Omega Metroids and the even more powerful Queen Metroids.)

- Samus has withstood blows and even missles from Ghor who was strong enough to easily pick up and throw her starship and kill a Space Pirate Berserker (big enough to make a Covenant Hunter look like a child in comparison) single-handedly with melee alone.


With all that in mind, Samus has been consistently shown to be more durable than Chief.

Master Chief survived a high-speed reentry into Earth's atmosphere, followed by a full speed impact with the Earth.

When reentering Earth's atmosphere the space shuttle (which is designed specifically to slow down and push heat away in the atmosphere) experiences temperatures up to 3000 degrees Fahrenheit. This is more than twice as hot as lava. The Chief's armor was never designed to do so and would therefor retain much of its speed, causing it to heat up past the point of 3000 degrees.

With the Chief's relatively aerodynamic armor providing very little aero-braking, he would be traveling several thousand miles per hour upon impact with the Earth's surface. A roughly 300 pound Spartan impacting the Earth at 3,000 MPH would generate 40,862 pounds of force.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1wgt340ec

Samus takes damage and dies from touching steam.




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Just like how chief instantly dies when he hits water right? Lol xD

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-Judge Fudge

No he doesn't.

He dies because he went into an undesigned area. That kills all video game characters.

The multiplayer characters aren't the same as Master Chief. Warthogs don't run over Master Chief.

Kraid is all fat, a Scorpion Tank is all metal. Kraid couldn't even kill a regular human by sitting on him.

Guilty Spark's laser still killed Johnson. A normal human would died right away. Johnson refused to die before he could help the Chief defeat Guilty Spark.

Samus would have died from Mother Brain's attack if the metroid didn't help. Those alien monsters aren't as dangerous as a powerful military force like the Covenant or the Flood, who never stop attacking.

Space Pirate Berserkers don't have the same amount of protection as Hunters do. A plasma grenade would have fried Ghor's circuits.

Once again overhyping halo creatures and downplaying metroid creatures lol

And your kraid argument is laughable, because 3 tons isn't enough to crush a human lol xD riiiigggghhhhttttt

Ghor could toss around a phantom like a plastic toy, so no a plasma grenades probably wouldn't bother him much

'I'm sorry, I was too busy... Being Delicious!'

-Judge Fudge

Master Chief survived a high-speed reentry into Earth's atmosphere, followed by a full speed impact with the Earth.

You left out the small detail that Chief needed to use a piece of the hull of the Dreadnought (a Forerunner Keyship) to protect himself. So even he knew damn well his armor wasn't strong enough to do the job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1wgt340ec

Samus takes damage and dies from touching steam.

Either you didn't notice it or you tried to pull a fast one on me. It wasn't the steam that killed Samus. It was the fact that the countdown timer (in the top right of the screen) ran out. Once it runs out, the entire space station she's in self detonates.

"You left out the small detail that Chief needed to use a piece of the hull of the Dreadnought (a Forerunner Keyship) to protect himself. So even he knew damn well his armor wasn't strong enough to do the job."

You're right. I guess being crushed against a solid piece of metal with over 40,000 pounds of force would be better than crashing directly into the soft earth. Oh, no, it's worse. That's right.

"Either you didn't notice it or you tried to pull a fast one on me. It wasn't the steam that killed Samus. It was the fact that the countdown timer (in the top right of the screen) ran out. Once it runs out, the entire space station she's in self detonates."

My apologies. I just assumed that since Samus is impervious to all manner of alien energy beams, power rays, deadly microscopic organisms, energy swords and being sat on by fat people, she wouldn't even be phased by an explosion on a space station. In fact, I was assured by your previous posts that such an event would actually make Samus even more powerful and that such an explosion would be like an amusement park ride.

But wait, just after the player reloads the game Samus gets killed by what appears to be a praying Mantis shooting lightning-jizz. So, you're saying that Master Chief can shoot Samus in the face with a rocket launcher and she would be just fine, but I can clearly see that Samus is easily killed by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1wgt340ec

An explosion and lightning-jizz,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6h8Nkx7cqg

an organism with small protective spines,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux5D_sFzv7A&NR=1

and the teeth of a blind dinosaur.

Your argument that Samus' armor is stronger than chiefs doesn't hold up to 30 seconds of searching for videos on youtube.

Yes, Master Chief can be killed by things, but so can Samus. In fact, Samus can be killed by pretty much anything she touches. To sit there and say that MC has no chance against Samus shows some serious ignorance.

YAY FOR NINJAS!

I'm not overhyping them. The Forerunners thought the only way to stop the Flood was to wipe out all life in the galaxy so the Flood would starve to death. Can any of Samus' enemies match that?

This is difficult to explain, so let me put things into perspective. If you press your finger against something metal, you'll have no physical effect on the surface. If you press your finger against body fat, your finger will go into the fat. The latter scenario is what happens when Kraid sits on Samus. His flesh is incapable of fully crushing her.

A phantom can be disabled with plasma grenades too- so, no.

The Forerunners thought the only way to stop the Flood was to wipe out all life in the galaxy so the Flood would starve to death. Can any of Samus' enemies match that?


The X Parasites can and will possess any lifeform, assimilate its memories, DNA, appearance and abilities (they could even replicate the abilities and weaponry of Samus's suit), and then digest the host once they no longer have any use for it since by then they can mimic all of the aforementioned traits they assimilated from it, and even mutate them at will. Worse still, they self-replicate on their own (by dividing like cells) or EXPONENTIALLY within a host. Unlike flood units, they are immune to weapons due to their amorphousness. And bigger still, the whole reason why the metroids were originally created (by the Chozo who are a highly advanced alien race themselves much like the Forerunners) was to kill/eat the X Parasites in order to prevent them from spreading across the galaxy and assimilating all life in it. They became an imminent threat again once the metroids on the X Parasites' native planet were destroyed by Samus.


My apologies. I just assumed that since Samus is impervious to all manner of alien energy beams, power rays, deadly microscopic organisms, energy swords and being sat on by fat people, she wouldn't even be phased by an explosion on a space station.

It's not an explosion on a space station. It's the ENTIRE space station exploding all at once. As in total annihilation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1wgt340ec

An explosion and lightning-jizz,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6h8Nkx7cqg

an organism with small protective spines,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux5D_sFzv7A&NR=1

and the teeth of a blind dinosaur.

The second vid and latter part of the first vid starts with Samus down to 9 and 14 units of suit energy out of 1400 (it's almost like you're admitting that handicapping is the only way Chief can win). And the third is still far less humiliating than Chief at full health and shields dying instantly from a short fall.

"The second vid and latter part of the first vid starts with Samus down to 9 and 14 units of suit energy out of 1400 (it's almost like you're admitting that handicapping is the only way Chief can win). And the third is still far less humiliating than Chief at full health and shields dying instantly from a short fall."

nervmeister, I'm not saying that Samus would need to be handicapped for MC to win. I'm trying to illustrate that Samus' armor is hardly as impervious as you make it sound. If she takes damage, even just a little bit, from the boney spines on that enemy, why do you believe that MC's rocket launcher to her face would be harmless? If she takes damage from those lighting bolt things, why wouldn't she take damage from a spartan laser? If she's weak enough that she has trouble escaping the jaws of a dinosaur smaller than a T-Rex, why wouldn't a biomechanically augmented Spartan wearing a suit that allows him to punch through a main battle tank be able to damage Samus by punching her in the face, or crushing her?

Sure, you can bring up Mother Brain's laser, or other attacks from enemies in Metroid, but there is absolutely no way to gauge what kind of damage those attacks are actually doing. However, it should be easy enough to take a guess at how much damage those spines on that turtle thing should be doing. Even if they were made of some sort of super strong allow, Samus never makes hard enough contact with them that they should be piercing an "impervious" battle suit. Think of those dudes that stand on the sharpened blades of swords for exhibition. Those swords are infinitely harder than their flesh, and yet they don't cut through their feet because not enough force is being exerted. So, why is Samus taking damage from such a thing if her suit is so powerful?

And as far as dying from a fall, two of the three Halo games featuring Master Chief have him taking zero damage from falls of any height. Only when you try to leave the bounds of the level will you get killed from a fall. I think we can all agree that the game was programed that way in order to keep players from reaching areas they shouldn't and doesn't effect his ability to take a fall.

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X Parasites would even be able to harm the Chief because there are no spaces in his armor. Creating a dangerous species of aliens isn't the same thing as destroying all life in the galaxy just to stop parasitic creatures.

And, angrymonkey 911, you bring absolutely nothing to this argument. Your "lol's" and "xD" faces just make you look like a blithering fool. You make no counterpoints to anyone's arguments. You just come in here spouting out lines of crap.

"Once again overhyping halo creatures and downplaying metroid creatures lol"

Not once has anyone "overhyped" the species that nearly conquered the entirety of Halo's known universe.

"And your kraid argument is laughable, because 3 tons isn't enough to crush a human lol xD riiiigggghhhhttttt"

You're obviously just not getting it. If you weigh 200 pounds and you sit on a marble, is that marble under the pressure of your entire weight? No, it's not. Unless Kraid built a solid steel platform for himself to stand on, placed Samus on another steel plate, then balanced perfectly on top of her he would never be able to exert the entire force of his weight upon her. This isn't rocket science.

And sure, an unarmored human wouldn't be able to survive much of Kraid's weight, but to compare Master Chief to an unarmored human is stupid.

"Ghor could toss around a phantom like a plastic toy, so no a plasma grenades probably wouldn't bother him much."

Did you know that plasma grenades have a secondary EMP effect that can disable electronics? So not only would the plasma burn and melt him, the EMP would fry his electronics. Again, you're bringing nothing to the table here. At least nervmeister is capable of forming a coherent thought. I think you should just sit this one out, monkey.

YAY FOR NINJAS!

stop stealing my name, get off your high horse. If you would actually read more than two or three of my posts you would know i have brought ideas to this forum (Comparing the energy swords, Kraid sitting on samus, comparing the wave beam/homing missles to the spartan laser/rocket launcher, comparing their armours ex)

Just by putting "lol" and faces in my comment you seem to think that means your opinions are worth more than mine, stop being a high and mighty twat

and if you knew what i was responding too, you would know I wasn't comparing Chief to a regular human, gsbr said that kraids weight wouldn't be able to kill even a regular human. This is an open forum and i'll post if I want to post. idiot.

anyways back to the actual topic, While the flood is impressive in their power to infect a galaxy, I think the Metroids have them beat (or at least matched) . The flood can be killed by conventional ammunition, while a Metroid is almost invincible unless frozen. As for flood vs Metroids, it would all depend if the flood could infect the metroids or not. IMO if X can't infect the Metroids, neither can the flood, but you never know.

If the flood CAN infect the metroids, the flood wins by sheer numbers, if they can't i think the Metroids take it. If you involve Gravemind and Metroid Prime, then we have a diffrent story.

'I'm sorry, I was too busy... Being Delicious!'

-Judge Fudge

"stop stealing my name, get off your high horse." "Just by putting "lol" and faces in my comment you seem to think that means your opinions are worth more than mine, stop being a high and mighty twat"

Monkey, it's you who are disrespecting other members by putting "lol" and a ridiculous grin after the end of every one of your responses. In doing so you are basically saying, "Everything you said your post was so preposterous and idiotic my body involuntarily erupts with laughter. What you just said is so stupid that my face can't help but contort itself into a gaping maw of disbelief."

I don't care whether you realize it or not, that's exactly what those expressions signify. So, it is you, monkey, that needs to get off your high and mighty horse.

"You havent proved anything xD

He survived a light bulb laser attack, big whoop lol."

"Just like how chief instantly dies when he hits water right? Lol xD"

If you can't see how disrespectful and ridiculous these comments are, then there is no hope for you. And I just found these after a quick scan. Most of your comments are disrespectful.



YAY FOR NINJAS!

Dude, it's a character battle on the Internet. There are comments that I will disagree with, granted I probably went a little overboard with some of my posts. At least my comments are on topic, I have nothing against the person who posted whatever I'm disagreeing with. Your post on the other hand, was completely off topic and for the sole purpose of trying to feel high and mighty.

Let's just get back on topic

'I'm sorry, I was too busy... Being Delicious!'

-Judge Fudge

Yeah... I take back my remark about Kraid not being able to kill a regular person. If he sat on Master Chief, I'll still argue that it won't be enough to put him out of commission.

To me, the Flood are more dangerous because of how the Forerunners reacted to their presence. Is there anyone in the Metroid universe who wants to wipe out all life to starve the Metroids?

There's also the Covenant, who I consider to be a bigger threat than most of Samus' enemies because they're a highly trained military force and they've done tremendous damage towards humanity. Other than the Metroids and X, what creatures in Metroid could stand up to them?

Well the space pirates can be fearsome, but the covenant would probably win out of sheer force in numbers. I stand by my statement that if the flood can't infect the metroids the metroids would probably win.

If Master chief can survive a fall from orbit, I doubt Kraid would be able to crush him either, hence proving both chiefs and Samus' armies can both resist AT LEAST 3 tons of pressure.

'I'm sorry, I was too busy... Being Delicious!'

-Judge Fudge

So it comes down to the Covenant and the Metroids then. And I have to side with the Covenant because-

1. They're a highly trained army.

2. They have devastating weapons.

X Parasites would even be able to harm the Chief because there are no spaces in his armor. Creating a dangerous species of aliens isn't the same thing as destroying all life in the galaxy just to stop parasitic creatures.

Didn't you say Chief got contaminated by the Flood before?

Also, when you think about it the Chozo were basically smarter or at least more resourceful than the Forerunners in that they managed to contain a parasitic galactic threat WITHOUT resorting to mass murder. p

I stand by my statement that if the flood can't infect the metroids the metroids would probably win.

The Metroids were originally bred for the purpose of killing the X Parasites, so if those couldn't infect them, the Flood aren't going to fare much better.

Sure, you can bring up Mother Brain's laser, or other attacks from enemies in Metroid, but there is absolutely no way to gauge what kind of damage those attacks are actually doing.

So lemme get this straight. Even though Ghor killed a Space Pirate Berserker (much larger than any covenant unit) singlehandedly and tossed Samus's ship with virtually no effort, Samus withstanding direct blows and weapon attacks from him doesn't prove anything? Whereas if a similar argument is made in favor of Chief, it's perfectly legit? If that's the case, then you've obviously put a double standard in place.

really the most impressive thing I've seen Chief take was surviving a fall from orbit (and recovering quickly from it), though he seems to be kind of fragile against laser/beam technology (Spartan laser is a 1 hit KO to chief, and guilty spark hurt him with his little laser). This makes me come to the conclusion Chiefs suit is incredibly resilient to blunt force trauma and can withstand intense heat of reentry. Chief also seems descently resilient to conventional ammunition, but he seems to buckle under laser/beam technology, wich Samus has.

So while a melee attack from Samus would probably not hurt chief that much, a good ol' wave beam should be able to take him down (considering my theory is right).

Samus' suit on the other hand is very resilient to laser/beam tech, hence being able to survive direct hits from mother brain and meta Ridley. Considering this I'm doubtful the Spartan laser could take her down (and if it could, it would at least take multiple shots). I think chiefs rocket launcher is his best bet for taking on Samus, though if you ever play multiplayer you know it can be dodged, and Samus is definatley agile. If she did get hit with the rocket, I doubt it would kill her instantly, but it would probably do more damage than the Spartan laser. Samus has also fought space pirates with energy swords, so I don't think chiefs sword would be much of a game changer, and even if it was I doubt he could close the distance without getting laser whipped or hit with something.

Samus has the tools to lay a beatdown on chief, though when it comes down to it they are both great warriors, neither will win this without getting banged up a bit.

I am curious as to what a plasma grenade would do against Samus, I doubt he would kill her with just one, but what would be the secondary effects on her armor? And speaking of armor what suit is Samus wearing for this fight? I'm going to assume her Varia suit, Because if she was wearing her phazon suit I doubt chief would be able to Win, but it would at least be competative in her Varia suit.

'I'm sorry, I was too busy... Being Delicious!'

-Judge Fudge

Master Chief does not have a weakness towards laser beam technology. The Spartan Laser destroys anything that gets in its way. Guilty Spark's laser is little? What are you, a propaganda minister? If you think his laser was LITTLE, I'd love to see what you consider medium sized.

So I'd say your theory is wrong. Especially when you consider how laser weapons are usually heat based and Master Chief survived the heat of reentry.

The Spartan Laser is able to go through numerous enemies and vehicles. It would easily kill Samus instantly, just like the Rocket Launcher would. I'm not saying the Rocket Launcher would be able to hit Samus, but when it's capable of obliterating vehicles in one hit, it's going to take down Samus. The Space Pirates don't have the technology to make their energy swords as strong as the ones the Covenant uses. He would easily be able to close the distance because the Energy Sword has a built in lunging attack.

Of course a plasma grenade would kill in one hit. Why wouldn't it? And Samus' need to upgrade her armor just goes to show you that's she not fully prepared to take down all of her enemies.

Didn't you say Chief got contaminated by the Flood before?

Also, when you think about it the Chozo were basically smarter or at least more resourceful than the Forerunners in that they managed to contain a parasitic galactic threat WITHOUT resorting to mass murder. p

The Metroids were originally bred for the purpose of killing the X Parasites, so if those couldn't infect them, the Flood aren't going to fare much better.

So lemme get this straight. Even though Ghor killed a Space Pirate Berserker (much larger than any covenant unit) singlehandedly and tossed Samus's ship with virtually no effort, Samus withstanding direct blows and weapon attacks from him doesn't prove anything? Whereas if a similar argument is made in favor of Chief, it's perfectly legit? If that's the case, then you've obviously put a double standard in place.

Well guilty sparks laser was little compared to some of the beams Samus has survived lol :P Johnson wasn't even killed instantly by it, and he may be badass but he's no superhuman.

Sure the Spartan laser is strong and everything, but no stronger than a beam from motherbrain (wich Samus survives, so the 1 hit KO is invalid). I have explained before that the wave beam pretty much matches the Spartan laser in firepower AND it doesn't have to charge. Samus' suit is particularly resistant against beam/laser tech, so the laser probably wouldn't kill her in one hit, may take her shields, but it won't kill her, and while chiefs charging that second shot he's gonna take a wave beam. Bye bye chief.

As for the swords, what proof do you have that the halo sword is stronger? Sure it goes through halo armor just fine, but we've never seen the pirate sword against halo armor, so to say one is stronger than the other with no proof is pure fanboyism. The lunge attack is an advantage, but samus' whip can reach further than the lunge attack, so chief may not even be able to get close enough to lunge.

Samus survived her ship exploding, so I'm pretty sure she could take a rocket without being insta killed (assuming it could actually hit her). Sus has shrugged off bigger booms than a plasma grenade, so it probably wouldn't kill her, but since it can effectively disable vehicles I'm wondering what the secondary effects would be on her armor.

And having multiple suits isn't a weakness, it's called being prepared. If Samus was in her Phazon suit or light suit, chief would stand no chance. If she was in her fusion suit or zero suit chief would probably win. The Varia suit is her only suit that makes this match competitive.

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Larger doesn't mean stronger. How many attacks from him was she able to withstand? I'll say it again. Ghor threw a spaceship. That means he's strong. Stop denying it. And even on HARD difficulty Samus can withstand a lot of attacks from him.




The Flood can harm armored beings and the X Parasites can't. So who knows what would happen if the Metroids and Flood fought each other.The X Parasites could easily harm and of course assimilate the DNA of any armored Covenant unit since parts of their bodies are exposed. Chief is more thoroughly covered, but that's no guarantee, given the X Parasites ability to morph through impossibly small openings. They still might get in through the apparatus Chief uses to breathe air from habitable environments. And as for the Metroids, they were engineered to be completely immune to parasites such as the Flood and the X Parasites (both of which infect hosts by bonding with its nervous system). And VERY few forms of weaponry hurt them at all (freezing weapons combined with concussive weapons like missles being one exception). Whereas even a regular old assault rifle could kill a Flood combat form.

Maybe that's because the Flood can't truly be contained. Which would make them the more dangerous species.

The X Parasites don't need specialized infection forms in order to reproduce their numbers. All can literally self-replicate on their own without a host, and even moreso when in a host.

It's still not little and Sergeant Johnson is not an ordinary human. He wasn't killed instantly because he refused to die before 343 Guilty Spark was destroyed for good.

The Spartan Laser cuts through everything. Armored enemies, tanks, everything. Can the wave beam do that? Can Mother Brain do that? And how many hits can Samus withstand from Mother Brain? I've already disproven your "laser weakness" theory; the wave beam isn't going to kill the Chief in one hit. It's more likely that the Spartan Laser will destroy Samus in one hit.

Like the Spartan Laser, the energy sword is stronger because it cuts through all enemies. I haven't seen any impressive feats with the pirate sword. Plus, the Covenant clearly have more technology at their disposal than the Space Pirates do. They can afford to make the superior sword. See the space in the sword? If Master Chief can't get close enough for a lunge attack, then he can at least disarm Samus when she tries to attack him by trapping her whip in the space.

At the very least, a plasma grenade would disable Samus' armor. But the Rocket would instantly kill her. If it can take down Hunters, which are far stronger than Samus, then it can take her down.

Master Chief is already prepared with his suit. He doesn't need any upgrades to take down all of his enemies.

I'll say it again. Ghor threw a spaceship. That means he's strong. Stop denying it. And even on HARD difficulty Samus can withstand a lot of attacks from him.

The X Parasites could easily harm and of course assimilate the DNA of any armored Covenant unit since parts of their bodies are exposed. Chief is more thoroughly covered, but that's no guarantee, given the X Parasites ability to morph through impossibly small openings. They still might get in through the apparatus Chief uses to breathe air from habitable environments. And as for the Metroids, they were engineered to be completely immune to parasites such as the Flood and the X Parasites (both of which infect hosts by bonding with its nervous system). And VERY few forms of weaponry hurt them at all (freezing weapons combined with concussive weapons like missles being one exception). Whereas even a regular old assault rifle could kill a Flood combat form.

The X Parasites don't need specialized infection forms in order to reproduce their numbers. All can literally self-replicate on their own without a host, and even moreso when in a host.

I'm not denying anything. You didn't specify how many attacks Samus can withstand. Nor did you prove that she's able to shrug off his blows on hard mode.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFL240Bb0l0

In this vid (it says Hard Mode in the description), she starts at half of her maximum health and yet she withstands a bunch of his attacks including plasma fire, missles, lasers, getting jump-stomped on, a full body charge, a spinning blade attack, etc. So there's your proof. Samus is NO joke in the durability department.


The Flood were able to bury themselves into an Elite's stomach. That's an armored area.Chances are, it was a combat form that did that. Not those tiny infection forms. If it was, that Elite would've been moving around under the Flood's control. It wouldn't be a prone corpse anymore.

Metroids were made to be immune to X Parasites. The Flood don't exist in that universe and there's no way of telling for certain that the Flood couldn't infect them. They may be weak on their own, but they're large in numbers and they never stop attacking.

The Flood and the X Parasites are similar in one key area which is the fact that both bond with a host's nervous system in order to infect. The metroids were engineered to be immune to this method of infection, so therefore, it's only logical that the Flood cannot infect them.

I'm not denying anything. You didn't specify how many attacks Samus can withstand. Nor did you prove that she's able to shrug off his blows on hard mode.

Chances are, it was a combat form that did that. Not those tiny infection forms. If it was, that Elite would've been moving around under the Flood's control. It wouldn't be a prone corpse anymore.

The Flood and the X Parasites are similar in one key area which is the fact that both bond with a host's nervous system in order to infect. The Metroids were engineered to be immune to this method of infection, so therefore, it's only logical that the Flood isn't going to do s**t to them.

That's not proof. At 1:50, Samus' health is at 69. At 1:56, her health goes up to 94. Whoever was playing the game healed her.

What this video does prove is Ghor isn't as strong as you made him about to be. Sure, he threw a spaceship. But he was struggling to lift it and the ship was not destroyed. Instead, it flew away.


I told you already how Samus's health works. There are 14 energy tanks, each with 100 units of energy. Starting from 100, a tank takes damage from enemies until it drains down to zero. Once that happens, that tank disappears and the next remaining tank starts from 100 again. This pattern repeats until all tanks are completely drained.

This is what I was saying earlier. There is no way to know if the flood can infect the metroids,(I doubt it since X can't, but you never know) if they can the flood will win out of sheer numbers, if the can't the metroids desimate the flood. Metroids are much harder to kill (being nearly impossible to kill without freezing). Only two beings in existence have survived a metroid attack, being Samus and motherbrain, while there have been lots of people who have survived a flood attack (anyone armed and lucky enough in fact). The two big things the flood has going is they can infect hosts (making more of them) and there's just so damn many of them, other than that the metroids outclass them in every way. If they can't infect the metroids, all they have going for them is there numbers.

As for Samus' armor, if she can take multiple hits from a cyborg who can throw a spaceship (Ghor on the hardest difficulty) that completely dismissed the argument that Chief could punch through her armor/ rip apart her armor, it's just too sturdy. Chief is incredibly strong, but he can't toss a spaceship, and even if he could Samus' could still take multiple hits.

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More people have survived Flood attacks because those people were part of the military. The Metroids attack weaker foes. And don't forget about how explosive the Carrier forms of the Flood are.

Ghor could barely toss that spaceship. He didn't damage it. Master Chief can flip over tanks effortlessly.

[More people have survived Flood attacks because those people were part of the military. The Metroids attack weaker foes. And don't forget about how explosive the Carrier forms of the Flood are.

The Galactic Federation Military sent soldiers to SR388 (The home world of the metroids) to exterminate the species. All of those soldiers basically got slaughtered. The Federation then decided to send Samus ALONE to deal with the problem because they didn't want to lose any more men.

Ghor could barely toss that spaceship. He didn't damage it. Master Chief can flip over tanks effortlessly.

Master Chief (and the Arbiter) doesn't even touch the vehicles. They flip over on their own at a button prompt. So it's really more of a mechanic to make vehicle gameplay less tedious for players. That and I did a bit of research on the Spartan IIs

**from Halo Nation**

"The SPARTAN-IIs are capable of lifting three times their body weight, which is double the normal weight of an average human due to the ceramic bone augmentations,"

In his official bio from the Halo 3 Beasturium, Master Chief's body weight is around 395 pounds (post bone augmentations). Now, we triple that number to 1185 pounds. That's how much John without his MJOLNIR exoskeleton can lift. Now we add the exoskeleton into the mix. The same source I quoted above states that MJOLNIR allows a Spartan II to double his lifting capacity. So we double the last number we produced and get an armored Master Chief's maximum lifting strength, which is a total of 2370 pounds. The bad news is that even a light tank from way back during World War II weighs around 3.1 tons (6200 pounds) and the weight only gets dramatically heavier as we move from light tanks to medium tanks and to heavy tanks (a modern M1 Abrams weighs approximately 134,000 pounds). Imagine how much an even larger futuristic tank like the Scorpion must weigh. So unless they either found an insane alloy or created an ant-gravity device for allowing a tank that big to be as light as an extra-small car (like this: http://verticulturedesigns.com/images/More%20Page/Travel/Europe%20WSU/ Mini%20Car%20Bilbao%20Spain.jpg), the idea Chief being able to flip a Scorpion is pretty preposterous, even for the sci-fi standards of the setting.

As nervmeister said, a Spartan II can lift around 1500lbs, tanks are way heavier. Being able to flip tanks in the game is purly for gameplay purposes, just like how he dies when he hits water. We all know the real chief would probably have the ability to breathe underwater, but it's just to keep players in the map. The real cannon chief couldn't lift a tank, a warthog maybe, but not a tank. This being said, Samus' ship is most likely as heavy if not heavier than a scorpion tank, and Ghor lifted it, hence Ghor is stronger than chief. This proves Samus could handle a melee attack from chief, so no punching through armor :P

But as I pointed out earlier, Samus' melee attack probably wouldn't hurt chief much either because his suit can resist the blunt force of falling from orbit.

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Are those squares next to the Samus' health bar the tanks? I count seven. If not, where are her tanks displayed?

Yeah, Ghor lifted it. But he struggled to hold on to it and he failed to do serious damage to the ship. It still flew away.

Where does it say on that wiki that Spartans can't lift over 1500 lbs?

The Galactic Federation Military sent soldiers to SR388 (The home world of the metroids) to exterminate the species. All of those soldiers basically got slaughtered. The Federation then decided to send Samus ALONE to deal with the problem because they didn't want to lose any more men.

In his official bio from the Halo 3 Beasturium, Master Chief's body weight is around 395 pounds (post bone augmentations). Now, we triple that number to 1185 pounds. That's how much John without his MJOLNIR exoskeleton can lift. Now we add the exoskeleton into the mix. The same source I quoted above states that MJOLNIR allows a Spartan II to double his lifting capacity. So we double the last number we produced and get an armored Master Chief's maximum lifting strength, which is a total of 2370 pounds. The bad news is that even a light tank from way back during World War II weighs around 3.1 tons (6200 pounds) and the weight only gets dramatically heavier as we move from light tanks to medium tanks and to heavy tanks (a modern M1 Abrams weighs approximately 134,000 pounds). Imagine how much an even larger futuristic tank like the Scorpion must weigh. So unless they either found an insane alloy or created an ant-gravity device for allowing a tank that big to be as light as an extra-small car (like this: http://verticulturedesigns.com/images/More%20Page/Travel/Europe%20WSU/ Mini%20Car%20Bilbao%20Spain.jpg), the idea Chief being able to flip a Scorpion is pretty preposterous, even for the sci-fi standards of the setting.

Halo Nation does not state what Master Chief's limit is. It states what they can do, not what they can't do. It's a Sci-Fi game, there's nothing preposterous about an augmented soldier lifting up a tankWell, Halo Nation didn't say anything about any Spartan II, let alone Master Chief being able to lift up a tank. And the info/math concerning a Spartan's enhancements only reinforces the idea that Chief cannot do it. So unless it's Clark Kent (Superman) in that armor, a Spartan II cannot lift a tank.


That's not what Wikitroid says.

"The Federation first sent a research team to the Metroid homeworld, SR388, to investigate the presence of any remaining Metroids. When contact with the research team's base and ship were lost, two additional teams were sent, first a search and rescue party then a Galactic Federation Special Squadron, but one after the other, they too were not heard from again."

The Galactic Federation Special Squadron. How well trained are they? The wiki doesn't say. But if they are soldiers as you said earlier, then they can't compare to Marines.

**from Wikitroid"

"Federation Marines are members of the Galactic Federation Marine Corps, also known as the GFMC, who wear advanced powered armorsuits. These suits allow them to use potent weapons and resist heavy damage in battle; few can match them in combat. One of the most common sights on Federation worlds, the Marines are the rank-and-file soldiers of the Galactic Federation."

Here's a picture of one.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090702120103/metroid/images/3/ 3f/Gf_Trooper.jpg

Yeah. I would rather have these guys watching my back than Halo Marines.

Well, Halo Nation didn't say anything about any Spartan II, let alone Master Chief being able to lift up a tank. And the info/math concerning a Spartan's enhancements only reinforces the idea that Chief cannot do it. So unless it's Clark Kent (Superman) in that armor, a Spartan II cannot lift a tank.

**from Wikitroid"

"Federation Marines are members of the Galactic Federation Marine Corps, also known as the GFMC, who wear advanced powered armorsuits. These suits allow them to use potent weapons and resist heavy damage in battle; few can match them in combat. One of the most common sights on Federation worlds, the Marines are the rank-and-file soldiers of the Galactic Federation."

Here's a picture of one.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090702120103/metroid/images/3/ 3f/Gf_Trooper.jpg

Yeah. I would rather have these guys watching my back than Halo Marines.

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The math only states an example of the Spartan's strength. Nowhere does it say what Master Chief's limits are. Who says he can't make himself stronger through training, anyways?

This isn't Dragonball Z. Training would make Chief stronger like it would anyone else, but not nearly enough to flip a tank. It completely contradicts the descriptions of how much extra strength the Spartan implants and MJOLNIR will allow.

Yeah, they looked cool. But they were always complaining about how their helmets restricted their vision.

Visors and gas masks are obviously not the same thing. Visors can arc along the contours of the wearer's face and past the outer corners of the eyes to allow peripheral vision. The circular eyeholes in gas masks don't extend as far and protrude outward, therefore restricting vision to only what's directly in front of the wearer's face (tunnel vision). And the point is moot anyways considering that almost all human combatants in both Metroid and Halo wear visors and apparently have no complaints about vision.

The Galactic Federation Special Squadron and the Federation Marines are different units. They have their own articles.

Any military unit can be part of a squadron. And since Marines are used heavily in the Galactic Federation's more dangerous affairs, they most likely were part of it. Especially since the term "Special" (as in special forces) is used to designate said squadron.

This isn't Dragonball Z. Training would make Chief stronger like it would anyone else, but not nearly enough to flip a tank. It completely contradicts the descriptions of how much extra strength the Spartan implants and MJOLNIR will allow.

Visors and gas masks are obviously not the same thing. Visors can arc along the contours of the wearer's face and past the outer corners of the eyes to allow peripheral vision. The circular eyeholes in gas masks don't extend as far and protrude outward, therefore restricting vision to only what's directly in front of the wearer's face (tunnel vision). And the point is moot anyways considering that almost all human combatants in both Metroid and Halo wear visors and apparently have no complaints about vision.

Any military unit can be part of a squadron. And since Marines are used heavily in the Galactic Federation's more dangerous affairs, they most likely were part of it. Especially since the term "Special" (as in special forces) is used to designate said squadron.

Who said this was Dragonball Z? Like I said before, there's no sources that state what Master Chief's limit is.

Yes there is. 6 times a Spartan's body weight (in MC's case, somewhere around 2370 lbs) is the limit. There isn't some magical upgrade or training regimen that makes them lift in upwards of 50,000-100,000 lbs (what most modern tanks weigh).


The only people in Halo that wear visors are the Spartans and ODSTs. The Spartans' visors are bigger, allowing superior vision compared to Samus.

Not really. What the player sees in the game isn't exactly how Master Chief sees things. It's more like this.

http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/7/76/H3_MkVI_HUD.jpg

The true range of Chief's vision is emcompassed by the visor-shaped outline. If Master Chief had exactly the player's vision, he'd get confused every time he took a machine gun turret off of a Warthog, since the camera switches to 3rd person.

Yes there is. 6 times a Spartan's body weight (in MC's case, somewhere around 2370 lbs) is the limit. There isn't some magical upgrade or training regimen that makes them lift in upwards of 50,000-100,000 lbs (what most modern tanks weigh).

Not really. What the player sees in the game isn't exactly how Master Chief sees things. It's more like this.

http://images.wikia.com/halo/images/7/76/H3_MkVI_HUD.jpg

The true range of Chief's vision is emcompassed by the visor-shaped outline. If Master Chief had exactly the player's vision, he'd get confused every time he took a machine gun turret off of a Warthog, since the camera switches to 3rd person.

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Lol that's kinda funny I guess :P

But on topic, have you read the halo books? If you read fall of reach you would know that chief isn't the physically strongest of the Spartan II's, or the fastest. He was definatley in the top of his class, but he wasn't the most impressive. He was the leader because he was one of the smartest and he had good leadership skills. He was able to accomplish as much as he did because in combination with his Spartan II skill set, he was also incredibly lucky. Cortana even confirms this in the 3rd game.

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That's not a visor restricting his eyesight. If that was, he wouldn't be able to see his health, ammo, and radar.

Yes he would. Those are are shown to him from the inside of his helmet. Not from the outside.

Here's what that image got its visor from:

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/17/2009/06/3642112110_5849 636bf6_b.jpg

The visor shaped outline, if it appears, is transparent to the Spartan wearing the helmet.

No, I haven't read the books. I've only read the graphic novel and Master Chief is barely in that.

Checked again. It's legit. Turns out that's simply an outlined section of the whole visor (it matches corresponding, faint line markings on the outside of it). So I'll give 1 point to Chief for having a bigger visor in his favor. However, Samus's visor does have scanning and x-ray capabilities.

I should add that's the only Halo 3 screenshot I could find with an outline and it's from a multiplayer match. My guess is that outline was only used in the Beta and it didn't make it to the final game.

I can see the advantage of Samus having X-Ray vision, but I don't see how scanning is going to help her. The reason why Master Chief dies from headshots is because the bullet has armor piercing capabilities.

This has happened already. Check out Haliod.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/haloid-monty-oum/18747

That's not Master Chief vs. Samus.

That's Master CHICK vs. Samus.

Lol haloid is hardly a reliable source xD

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I can see the advantage of Samus having X-Ray vision, but I don't see how scanning is going to help her. The reason why Master Chief dies from headshots is because the bullet has armor piercing capabilities.

So? It's probably not a good thing that Master Chief at full health and shields is vulnerable even to pistol weapons while Samus at full suit energy can take so many shots from the weaponry of boss-level opponents.

The only pistol weapons he's vulnerable to are the original one from the first game and a fully charged plasma pistol (which doesn't hurt his health, only his shield).

A fully charged plasma pistol shot takes away his shield entirely. From there, Chief's health can be drained rather quickly from normal gunfire.

But, the fully charged shot does no real damage. All it can do is drain his shield.

Still a not-so-good sign when even a pistol wielded commonly by Grunts can do away with a fully charged Spartan shield that easily. And Samus, being armed to the teeth, will be even less forgiving than that.

Grunts aren't that weak. They're able to carry Fuel Rod Cannons. Besides, they're not able to charge their pistols fully.

The fully charged plasma pistol is more like a taser than an actual gun. It's designed to disable Master Chief's shield, but not actually kill him.

The fully charged plasma pistol is more like a taser than an actual gun. It's designed to disable Master Chief's shield, but not actually kill him.

Perhaps. But then again, Samus already has missles, bombs, and her more powerful beam variants (all of which are integrated into her suit). I'd say that kind of firepower is more than sufficient enough against Chief.

She just needs to get an instant kill.

If not, he's going to bring her down.

She just needs to get an instant kill.

Why do you think I mentioned Samus having bombs, missles, and high level beam modes which, in addition to other weapons and tools, are all installed directly into her suit?

If not, he's going to bring her down.

Again, that's not likely considering Samus's aforementioned weaponry, the vast protective energy reserves of her suit, and the raw experience she's had single-handedly defeating many superpowered alien entities and abominations (Ridley, Emperor Ing, Dark Samus, Ghor, Quadraxis, Rundas, Kraid, Mega Core-X, Queen Metroid, Gandrayda, Prime Metroid, Phantoon, Nightmare, etc.). And quite a few of those menaces have returned mutated into even more powerful forms (Ridley especially), only to be beaten by Samus again. And that's aside from all the space pirates and metroids she's routinely killed. And even they both have various heavily mutated/upgraded forms of their own. The metroids in particular are dangerous to the point where Samus and Mother Brain are the only two individuals in the known universe who have even survived attacks from any of them. With ALL that in mind, it's as plain as day that Master Chief can't win this one.

The only thing that can take him down is the bomb. But it's big, bulky, and Samus can only activate it while she's in her ball mode.

Master Chief is the one fighting a war. His training is superior and he's smarter. Bigger doesn't mean stronger. He's defeated a real army and took out the Flood, along with the Halo ring containing them. Physically, he's stronger and his weapons are meant to go through armor. His health recharges, Samus' doesn't.

Samus Aran taking on Master Chief is like Claudia Cardinale taking on Charles Bronson. She has no chance at winning.

Samus was a soldier at one point. She was trained by the Chazo, a super advanced alien race. Samus is no slouch, while Personally I think that, yes Chief has some intese training under his belt, I think samus' training is comparable. I do agree that chief IS stronger, but Samus has the superior weapons and armor.

Chiefs armor seems to fold rather quick under conventional ammo, while Samus' is all but impervious to conventional ammo. Most of chiefs weapons wouldn't even crack her armour (Any one that fires conventional ammunition).

The only weapons in Chiefs arsenal that would be effecive would be the rocket launcher and the spartain Laser, all of his other guns may as well be BB guns against Samus.

The Spartan Laser would get to her sooner or later, but It would NOT kill her in one shot. Samus has taken full on shots from Mother brain AND meta ridley, whos beams match, if not surpass the spartan laser. On the other end of the pole, Samus has the wave beam. It produces the same amount of damage as the spartan laser AND doesn't have to charge, So samus would be able to one shot chief.

The rockets would also take multiple shots, Samus survived her ship exploding, a much more devistating explosion than a single rocket blast.

Chiefs Melee wouldn't do much either, considering that she has taken hits from Ghor who can lift a spaceship. My point is, yes chief is big and strong, but Samus has taken down bigger and stronger.

And honestly, if a freaking magnum can kill chief, Samus' weapons could do it too, so saying that the only weapon that can take him down is Samus' bomb is PURE fanboyism.

And no, Samus taking on Chief would be more like muhammad ali vs mike tyson, Tyson is bigger and stronger, but Muhammad is faster, more agile, and able to take him down.

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Master Chief isn't a soldier. A soldier fights for the Army. You know what Army stands for?

Aren't Ready For Marines Yet. And Master Chief is better trained than the Marines.

Kidding aside, Master Chief was accomplishing more impressive things when he and Samus were young. Like beating up a group of ODSTs.

The reason why Master Chief's armor is less effective against conventional ammo is because the conventional in the Halo games are stronger than the plasma weapons. The bullets are specifically designed to pierce through armor. Samus isn't going withstand shots from a shotgun or sniper rifle.

Last I checked, a shot from Mother Brain nearly destroyed Samus and she only survived with the help of a baby Metroid. The Spartan laser destroys everything in its path. If it can shoot through multiple Spartans and destroy a tank in one hit, it's going to kill Samus with one shot.

Was Samus right next to the explosion in her ship? If not, it's not as powerful as the rocket launcher.

Considering how Master Chief can flip tanks over and Ghor's legs were shaking under the weight of the spaceship (which he couldn't even destroy), I'd say Master Chief is just as strong, if not more, than Ghor.

If you're talking about Halo 1's pistol, that's a strong gun. If you're talking about Halo 2's pistol, it can kill the Chief, but it takes numerous bullets to bring him down. The bomb is the only weapon that can kill him in ONE HIT.

Uhhhh, Mike Tyson is 5'10 and Muhammad Ali is 6'3. Ali's dominance in the ring came from an ability to move quickly, despite being so big. As a result, he was able to deliver punishing blows in a short amount of time. Samus can't do that. She's not bigger or stronger than Master Chief.

The only thing that can take him down is the bomb. But it's big, bulky, and Samus can only activate it while she's in her ball mode.The ONLY thing? Are you *beep* serious? So you're saying that Chief is now magically immune to missles and plasma, even though they've been clearly shown to harm him in his own series?

His training is superior and he's smarter.Samus started training at a sigificantly earlier age than Chief (3 years old as opposed to 6) and was already well past the physical limits of ordinary humans and suited up by the age of 14 whereas Chief was still undergoing augmentation procedures by that age. So she's significantly more adept than Chief is.

He's defeated a real army and took out the Flood, along with the Halo ring containing them.That's nice. But Samus defeated the Space Pirate forces and Metroids ON THEIR OWN HOMEWORLDS. In the latter's case, she destroyed the entire metroid species on planet SR388 single-handedly. AND later, she came back and actually annihilated the whole planet in order to wipe out the X-Parasites (who would've infected all life in the galaxy had they gotten offworld). And then we have the extensive list of especially dangerous otherworldly menaces she's defeated. These threats aren't simply just aliens with guns like the Covenant. They are capable of things such as gravity manipulation, generating and manipulating ice and cold, shapeshifting, teleportation, interdimensional phasing and summoning, planet-wide energy absorbtion, and more. And she has fought them all face-to-face. Chief is out of his league.

Physically, he's stronger and his weapons are meant to go through armor. His health recharges, Samus' doesn't.Strength is debatable, but Samus's armor has been shown to take plenty of hits from things as strong or stronger than missles with only moderate effect on her health whereas Chief can die in ONE hit from such firepower. So his regeneration won't do much good against Samus who DOES have that kind of firepower. I already proved her durability to you by showing her battle with Ghor, but apparently you tend to ignore the evidence that proves you wrong and continue running your mouth.

That's the only thing that will kill him in ONE HIT. Check my earlier post. The Covenant's missles and plasma fail to kill him with one blow.

So Samus started training THREE YEARS before Master Chief. Big deal. That's not sigificantly earlier age. When Master Chief was 14, he took out five ODSTs, the most elite unit next to the Spartans, with his bare hands. Goes to show you that Master Chief catches on faster than Samus does.

The Halo ring IS the Flood's homeworld. There's Graveminds under them for a reason. When Master Chief destroyed the ringworld, he was on his own. There were no humans helping him. Even when his enemies were fighting each other, he had to take on the faction that won the fight. So Samus' enemies can do all fancy things. The Covenant kill people. They don't put stylish attacks over substance. Put Samus against a professional army like the Covenant and she'll last around the same time a single Marine in the Halo games does.

Master Chief dies from missiles because they're stronger. They're intended to destroy everything, just like the Spartan laser. Samus does not have the same amount of firepower as the Spartans have. I haven't ignored any of your evidence. Ghor's legs were buckling under the spaceship's weight and he didn't destroy it. He's not as strong as you make him out to be.

The Halo ring IS the Flood's homeworld. There's Graveminds under them for a reason. When Master Chief destroyed the ringworld, he was on his own. There were no humans helping him. Even when his enemies were fighting each other, he had to take on the faction that won the fight. So Samus' enemies can do all fancy things. The Covenant kill people. They don't put stylish attacks over substance. Put Samus against a professional army like the Covenant and she'll last around the same time a single Marine in the Halo games does. The Covenant kill people? WOW. Now that's *beep* amazing! Let's give them all an award for inventing that. And you have this annoying habit of confusing "style" for raw ability and power. By the way, the Space Pirates are indeed an indeed a militarized species (on a genetic level in fact), complete with militia, troopers, elite commandos, even more elite and upper ranking commander pirates, and ultimately the High Command which consists of powerful beings such as Ridley and Mother Brain. So yeah, the Space Pirates are indeed a highly organized military force that Samus has soundly defeated. So don't give me that bullcrap about Samus or her enemies having no substance.

Last I checked, a shot from Mother Brain nearly destroyed Samus and she only survived with the help of a baby Metroid. The Spartan laser destroys everything in its path. If it can shoot through multiple Spartans and destroy a tank in one hit, it's going to kill Samus with one shot.And last I checked, a beam from Guilty Spark nearly killed Chief after it only managed to mortally wound Johnson who of course had inferior armor/protection to Chief. At least Mother Brain's laser was capable of taking out a metroid, a species which even in the larval (baby) stage is insanely resistant or invulnerable to most forms of weaponry. And Samus at least managed to withstand an earlier shot or two from it before said baby intervened. If that same blast were to hit Chief even once, he'd be a goner, period.


Was Samus right next to the explosion in her ship? If not, it's not as powerful as the rocket launcher.
No......She was INSIDE it when it exploded.

So Samus started training THREE YEARS before Master Chief. Big deal. That's not sigificantly earlier age. When Master Chief was 14, he took out five ODSTs, the most elite unit next to the Spartans, with his bare hands. Goes to show you that Master Chief catches on faster than Samus does. No it doesn't. All it proves is that the bio-augmentations did their job in making Chief physically superior to a normal human being. But I already told you that Samus too has had her strength and speed augmented. The difference is that it was done through genetic modification via Chozo DNA instead of implants and chemical treatments like Chief underwent.


Considering how Master Chief can flip tanks over and Ghor's legs were shaking under the weight of the spaceship (which he couldn't even destroy), I'd say Master Chief is just as strong, if not more, than Ghor. Master Chief CANNOT flip over tanks. The information on both Chief's and MJOLNIR's combined lifting capacity completely contradicts what you're saying. Not to mention that all the player does is walk up to it have Chief point his gun at it, and the tank magically flips over on its own. So unless you can prove to me that Master Chief can move objects with his mind, just don't even bother.

Nowhere in the Cannon storyline (books or games) has chief ever flipped a tank. He's not strong enough. That's in the game PURLY for gameplay purposes so the player doesn't get stuck. Saying that's cannon is like saying chief dies when he hits water is cannon.

No, he can't flip a tank.

As for ghor, your splitting hairs here. Bottom lime, he still threw a spaceship.

He's strong, no matter what twist you put on it.

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Where does it say he can't flip a tank? Nowhere. You don't get stuck if you lose the tank. It just makes the game harder.

I didn't say Ghor wasn't strong.

I'm saying he's not as strong as you've made him out to be.

Good job, you completely missed my point. The Covenant don't do any fancy tricks. They don't make you fly. They don't change forms. They don't change the colors of your socks. They kill you. And they're good at it. That's all that matters. The Space Pirates are not a professional army. Yeah, they have leaders, but so do guerrillas in the jungle. You seem to confuse "big" with "powerful."

Nearly killed him? He survived being blasted twice. All Guilty Spark's beam managed to do is knock out his shield. Then, Master Chief destroyed him without any upgrades. As for Johnson, it's not like he was devoid of armor.

So when did this explosion happen?

The ODSTs are not normal human beings. They're physically superior to regular humans. And Master Chief didn't just beat them, he killed them with his bare hands. They didn't stand a chance. What did Samus do when she was fourteen?

All your source said was what the Spartans could do. It did NOT say what they couldn't do. The tank flips over by itself during gameplay for convenience purposes, just like when the game goes into a third person perspective when the player enters a vehicle or turret.

Good job, you completely missed my point. The Covenant don't do any fancy tricks. They don't make you fly. They don't change forms. They don't change the colors of your socks. They kill you. And they're good at it. That's all that matters. The Space Pirates are not a professional army. Yeah, they have leaders, but so do guerrillas in the jungle. You seem to confuse "big" with "powerful."

You say "fancy tricks". I say "more ways to kill people and/or avoid being killed". Oh, and as for your denial against the Space Pirates being a professional army.....

**from Wikitroid**

"Space Pirates represent a highly intelligent, extremely agressive species that field well-trained armies in ruthless attacks on the Galactic Federation. Space Pirates seek to become the dominant force in the galaxy, and their technology may help them realize this goal. Fierce warriors, they wield galvanic accelerator cannons and forearm-mounted scythes in battle."

"Space Pirates have been responsible for some of the most disastrous events in Galactic history, such as the Phazon Crisis, and have been responsible for the raid and capture of over 200 planets, including Zebes, Bryyo, Norion, Elysia, Tallon IV, Naishii, Jigrad, and K-2L"

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They're clearly a military. So shut up.

All your source said was what the Spartans could do. It did NOT say what they couldn't do

Okay. Well the source I read on Samus didn't explicitly say she "couldn't" lift an aircraft carrier, so I'm just gonna use your favorite brand of troll logic and say that she can. Looks like Samus is way stronger than Chief.

Nearly killed him? He survived being blasted twice. All Guilty Spark's beam managed to do is knock out his shield. Then, Master Chief destroyed him without any upgrades. As for Johnson, it's not like he was devoid of armor.I'll say it again. Mother Brain's laser killed a metroid which is (as I've mentioned a thousand times already) FAR tougher than Johnson could ever hope to be. And not with merely a mortal wound either. It EXPLODED that metroid (as in blew it to smithereens). So Guilty Spark's attack was nowhere near as impressive as Mother Brain's. And Samus actually survived that kind of blast.

The ODSTs are not normal human beings. They're physically superior to regular humans.

They're superior in that they're better trained and more experienced than the average marine. But they don't have special bio-enhancements that put Spartans and Samus above a normal human's full physical potential.

And Master Chief didn't just beat them, he killed them with his bare hands. They didn't stand a chance. What did Samus do when she was fourteen?

She was already out fighting Space Pirates in REAL battles, not in a boxing ring match. Also, just for the record, John killed 2 of those ODSTs (out of 4).

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Guess again. Right before that bit on the Space Pirates, Wikitroid says this:

Civilization Type: Mercenary

They're not a real military force.

No, my logic is based off something that actually happens in the games. If I were to use that logic, I could just say Master Chief is able to lift a planet.

Actually, a Metroid isn't "FAR tougher than Johnson could ever hope to be." Johnson doesn't have a weakness towards ice. And Samus nearly got killed by Mother Brain's attack. Master Chief wasn't nearly killed by Guilty Spark's beam.

So what if the ODSTs don't have enhancements? They weren't fighting an adult John-117.

Cool, she was hiding behind her cannon when she was fourteen. Which is exactly why Master Chief would destroy her if the fight came to close quarters combat.

Seriously, all of your bulls**t is starting to get old.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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X-Parasites are completely amorphous and thus immune to gunfire since it passes through them with no effect. An entire new species (the metroids) designed to eat them had to be created in order to stop them. And said species, being terrifyingly durable, has no problem slaughtering armed troops.

Civilization Type: Mercenary

They're not a real military force.

If the pirates were mercenaries, they'd operate solely on the principle of being paid/hired by someone else to do what they do. I don't see anything in the descriptions (which you ignored yet again) about money or contracts being involved in their operations. Instead there's this:

"Space Pirates seek to become the dominant force in the galaxy, and their technology may help them realize this goal."

There's that,the fact that their forces are ranked much like human militaries, and their aforementioned domination of over 200 planets. That's definitely something a militarized empire would do. So once again, shut up.

Actually, a Metroid isn't "FAR tougher than Johnson could ever hope to be." Johnson doesn't have a weakness towards ice. And Samus nearly got killed by Mother Brain's attack. Master Chief wasn't nearly killed by Guilty Spark's beam.

Johnson, even with his armor, can be injured and/or killed from regular gunfire just like any human in Halo can. That would hardly even bother a metroid. And you forgot that (aside from Mother Brain's most powerful laser) it takes freezing AND firepower equivalent to MISSLES to kill a metroid. Freezing alone won't get the job done. By the way, I would love to see Johnson survive being frozen solid, inside and out.


Cool, she was hiding behind her cannon when she was fourteen. Which is exactly why Master Chief would destroy her if the fight came to close quarters combat.Not really. Considering she can floor even alien monsters with her bare hands and can screw attack or morph ball bomb him at close range, it would be suicidal for Chief to get close.

You can claim I'm "bulls**ting," all you want, it won't make it true.

X-Parasites are completely amorphous and thus immune to gunfire since it passes through them with no effect. An entire new species (the metroids) designed to eat them had to be created in order to stop them. And said species, being terrifyingly durable, has no problem slaughtering armed troops.

If the pirates were mercenaries, they'd operate solely on the principle of being paid/hired by someone else to do what they do. I don't see anything in the descriptions (which you ignored yet again) about money or contracts being involved in their operations. Instead there's this:

Johnson, even with his armor, can be injured and/or killed from regular gunfire just like any human in Halo can. That would hardly even bother a metroid. And you forgot that (aside from Mother Brain's most powerful laser) it takes freezing AND firepower equivalent to MISSLES to kill a metroid. Freezing alone won't get the job done. By the way, I would love to see Johnson survive being frozen solid, inside and out.

Not really. Considering she can floor even alien monsters with her bare hands and can screw attack or morph ball bomb him at close range, it would be suicidal for Chief to get close.

You've missed my point. You were boasting about all of the things Samus' enemies can do. But according to you, only Samus and Mother Brain have been able to kill Metroids. So, going by your own logic, all of the fancy tricks Samus' enemies perform aren't as effective as simply killing people, like the Covenant do.

Okay. So I guess there's no point in Elites using cloaking/invisibility since it's just a lame "fancy trick" then.

That's one game and Master Chief isn't a flesh-based creature. He's wearing metal armor.

None of the games before Other M were not designed with a melee combat system in mind yet. And even then, in the Prime series, Samus was shown as being strong enough to tear armor off of enemies (including bosses) with her Grapple Lasso (jetpacks could be ripped off of flying enemies too). As for your second point, in Other M, a good amount of the enemies she melees DO have armor (Cyborg Zebesians, Super Zebesians, Kyratians, Asboreans, Griptians, Mighty Griptians, etc.)

Someone who's 5'3 is not going to topple someone who's 6'10.

Oh, so NOW size matters. Funny since you yourself said otherwise multiple times earlier in this thread. Not that it helps much since (a) a. she's 6'3 in her armor, making Chief's height advantage insignificant at best; and (b) It's already been shown that she can indeed topple those larger/taller than she is with melee.

I don't recall any weapons that fire bullets in the Metroid games. And in the Halo games, it's the Human weapons that do more damage. And good job ignoring my points about how injured Samus and Master Chief were after being hit.

Good job ignoring the vast difference in Mother Brain's (exploded a metroid) and Guilty Spark's (mortally wounded a human) firepower. Another thing is that in the fight itself, if Samus is still at full health she can withstand 5 shots from Mother Brain's ultimate attack before she's weakened enough that the metroid has to intervene. It took just two shots from Guilty Spark's much weaker laser to bring Chief (literally) to his knees.

In her Varia suit Samus is 6'3, 198 lbs, she is 5'3 OUT of her armour.

I do agree that chief is phisically stronger than Samus (Though samus is suprisingly strong, no pushover) I don't think it will matter much. Sure, if chief is able to get her in a chokehold or grapple he could probably take her down, but I just don't see it comming down to that.

Samus is just too god damn deadly at every range. Her wave beam can easily match the Spartan laser with NO charge time, she has missles, an ice beam, she can defy gravity all together (With her grav suit), she has her screw attack if chief gets too close, AND shes a martial artist (Maybe not at the level of chief, but it would be damn close).

Chief would have to close the distance FAST or else Samus could just one shot him with the wave beam, or freeze him solid with the ice beam and follow up with a missle. Even if chief could close the distance without getting hit, he would need to watch out for that screw attack.

As for chiefs advantages, he is definatley stronger, if it came down to a grapple fight Chief would be strong enough to overpower samus. If it came down to a fist fight (Unlikely, but you never know) I think chief has her number, but it would be a LONG fight. Most of chiefs weapons wont do *beep* his best bet is sticking to the rockets, spartan laser and MAYBE the gravity hammer. The rockets would slow down Samus sure, but she survived her ship exploding while she was in the cockpit, so the rockets wont one shot. As for the laser, it would probably fare better than the rockets, but Samus could most likely take up to five direct hits before going down (Considering how much she could take from Mother Brain). The gravity hammer could probably bust samus' armour, but Chief would have to close the distance, and the hammer is slow. If he was using the hammer Samus could probably just screw attack first.


In all fairness, neither are pushovers in the slightest, but Samus just has way more advantages than chief, his only chance is to either catch Samus by suprise or get her into a fistfight.

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