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Better to LIVE IN A CAGE in NEW YORK than IN FREEDOM in Africa???


At least one poster has pointed out the more or less obvious ethnic stereotyping in the film. But what of the whole film's premise: That it'd be somehow better to LIVE IN A CAGE (in a ZOO) in New York (albeit "at the center of attention") than to live IN FREEDOM in Africa?

I found that really disturbing.

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Obviously you haven't seen the movie because the point is pretty much the opposite of that. And its about the lead characters learning that...

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The characters in the film are too accustomed to living in the Zoo, that they find it hard to live in the wild and that's why they want to go back to the Zoo. Of course watch the movie first, before you make a topic like this.

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Hey, I saw the movie. It _began_ with a sequence in which the Lion has a dream. Everything in Africa is in black-and-white and everybody is dying. He then reminisces of his life in the zoo in New York (where everything was in color and he was "the center of attention") and decides that he'd prefer to be in the zoo.

The rest of the movie follows from _that_ scene. And yes, I continue to find it very disturbing, arguably telling kids that it's "better to live in a cage" than to live free.

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That *is* a broken aesop :(

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> That *is* a broken aesop :(

Hi I'm sorry, I don't understand. Are you referring to Aesop's Fables or something else?

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Hi, Dennis. From tvtropes website: "a Broken Aesop is a story where the moral presented just doesn't match the moral that the story actually contained"

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>Hi, Dennis. From tvtropes website: "a Broken Aesop is a story where the moral presented just doesn't match the moral that the story actually contained"

Thank you sun-scryer! I understand now ;-)

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Not if you have actually watched the movie. As with all aesops the ending is where the lesson is learned by the lead character and thusly the audience.

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At least one poster has pointed out the more or less obvious ethnic stereotyping in the film. But what of the whole film's premise: That it'd be somehow better to LIVE IN A CAGE (in a ZOO) in New York (albeit "at the center of attention") than to live IN FREEDOM in Africa?

I found that really disturbing.


Not everything is race related (that's what you're making it). The movie isn't making one thing to be better than another. The movie is the accumulation of animals wanting the greener grass and realizing that instead of "there being no place like home" they're comfortable with the world. They realized once they spent an extended amount of time out of their comfort zones what makes them happy. It's a good moral for children that I've never seen in a children's movie before.



If Barabbas had said he didn't care for Ledger's Joker they never would have let him go.

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At least watch the *beep* movie you *beep* moron! What the *beep*! Judging the MESSAGE behind a movie from the trailer? How narrow minded are you? :s


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Hey Sergio, Unless this "change" occurs somewhere during or at the end of the _closing credits_ they end up in New York. I left the film AT THE END OF THE FILM thinking (and kinda appalled really) that they ended up in the New York zoo. It's conceivable (unlikely but conceivable) that I fell asleep or something at the point where this sudden change would have happened but then even if I did, again, it'd be so quick as to be basically not there. AT MINIMUM the vast majority of the movie was about them deciding to leave "boring Africa" for the "Zoo in New York' where they'd be in cages but at the center of attention.

If they'd have a change of heart, that'd be great but the rest of the film does not lead in that direction in anycase.

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Firstly this movie has a message and it is the exact opposite of that. Secondly you missed at least 10 minutes of movie BEFORE the credits if you think they are ending up in the zoo. The past isn't always as rose colored as you think.

When they get to the zoo they realize it wasn't what they thought it was the whole time they were gone. They decide leaving was the best thing to ever happen to them. THEN they get captured and put into the zoo. When they wake up they are scared and hurt that they are stuck there. THEN they are saved by the circus and then when EXPLICITLY asked they say they want to join the circus. If you did not get this you are either an idiot, haven't seen to movie or slept through the ENTIRE ending

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Op clearly hasn't seen the movie, yet decided to post absolute crap.

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Aside from the valuable input from other respondents here, I'd also have to add... the attractiveness of living in FREEDOM in Africa probably depends on where you see yourself in the food chain, and how long it's been since you had a meal.

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Typical New Yorkers. They think New York is the ONLY place to live.

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I enjoyed the movie and got the ending. The only point I found a little off was that in the real world most Circus' treat animals worse than zoos. I understand in the movie they own their own circus and I imagine will treat themselves very well, it just seemed a little contradiction to the real world.

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True. And I found all that talking to be way off base with reality as well.


Hands like Houdini.

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It's a contradiction that people in real life go through as well and it's actually pretty logical.

When in a Zoo, they are captive but fed regularly.

When free in Africa they can do anything they want but don't have anyone to look after them and feed them etc.

It may be better in Africa, but people can still feel stuck in a rut and want to go back to old ways no matter how difficult and worse the old ways was because they find some sense in "security" in something that is familiar.

It does make sense.

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Ironically this was the sentiment of a plaque by the tiger compound in Washington Zoo. Paraphrasing:

"Wouldnt you rather live in captivity with all the food you could eat and medic care, than live free and face all the perils of life?"

I wondered who'd ever prefer the former... This is removed now though.

This was also before they expanded many of the areas for the animals.

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Heh, I dunno, sometimes I wish for that.

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I guess you're in the 46% voting for Obama... ;)

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They didnt ever really swap the zoo for freedom either. They swapped it for a circus, which considering the reality of circus animals actually made me mad. Why would any one want to send out positive messages about animals and zoos, even if it is a cartoon.

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