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Christian, Muslim, Jew....ALL THE SAME!


I'm sick of all these self righteous Christians looking down on Muslims who do these acts. I would like to remind Christians that it says the exact same thing in their bible concerning adultery and rape as the Quran.

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death." (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife." (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment."(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

All religions are the same, FOR WORSE.

OBAMA/BIDEN '12

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Nowhere in the world do any Christians continue the practice of stoning. The same thing cannot be said in the world of Islam. There are no Christian laws that compare to the Sharia laws that are practiced currently. At least Christians are wise enough to see that such laws are archaic as well as cruel.

I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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I agree with tigerbos - the difference is that was OVER A THOUSAND YEARS AGO OR MORE. We have come a lot farther in the world by now in terms of civil punishment. I wish IMDB had an ignorance filter.

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I don't know why you replied to me because I never said "for custom samples of any shade you'd like to try, please visit one of our stores".


I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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I'm not a religious person. I don't advocate violence in any form. My original post was intended to only portray that the laws the OP stated are now archaic and not used in modern Christian society while Sharia laws, though Muslims will vehemently deny it, are still used. Most religions are hypocritical in my opinion and use their gods to justify the end to their means. I will never subscribe to ANY RELIGION that sees 50% of the population, meaning females, in a substandard, subjugated manner.

I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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Christians use drones instead of stones, so that makes it OK

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No it doesn't. Drones are being used due to war. Muslims use stoning to punish their own people so you are comparing two different things.

I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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would you rather talk about doctors murdered at abortion clinics by Christians in the name of Jesus?

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Sure go ahead. I'm already well aware of the hypocrisies of religions and those who follow them.

I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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All religions are the same, FOR WORSE.

OBAMA/BIDEN '12


Even if your premise were correct, you seem to ignore the critical difference.
In modern day christianity these remedies are not practiced. On the other hand modern day muslims still murder and execute in the name of Islam.

By the way it takes guts in 2010 to admit you support the barry and joe show.
It speaks volumes about your political IQ (or lack of one)

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Lol.
America is a primitive and uncivilized country.
It's LEGAL in America to BEAT your children, and in 20 states it's even legal to physically punish your students!
Also, in nearly all of America, your see MURDER as a rightful punishment!
Are you saying capital punishment, and corporal punishment is a GREAT way of teaching felons and children what is right or wrong? No wonder all of your prisons are filling up!
You tell me, misbehave in school and get paddled?! Does the punishment fit the crime? Maybe if we were living in the 19th century. Humiliation and physical pain as punishment? You disgust me.

So get of your freaking high-horse you HYPOCRITES!

" On the other hand modern day Muslims still murder and execute in the name of Islam."

Oh, really? So your saying that all Muslims are murderers? wow, I gotta say, you are so intelligent, and insulting other peoples intelligense is so fitting for you!

"It speaks volumes about your political IQ (or lack of one)"

Yeah sure, people who doesn't have the same opinion as you MUST certainly be ignorant.
YOU are the ignorant one here! YOU are the racist! 'Ignorance breeds fear', and because you are SO afraid of whats different from you, you feel so much ignorant prejudice against others - in this case muslims.
It's so sad to see people like you.

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The Fundamentals of Sharia Law:

1. Stoning to death
2. Contracting a short lived marriage... for sex. In other words, justifying prostitution.
3. Polygamy.
4. Child sex-abuse is ok... because hey, that 11 year old is now a wife.
5. Beating women a discipline
6. Invoking Allah (God) in every sentence to justify *beep*

Shall i go on?

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How cute, you think the way you interpret something is the truth?
And please, do go on, your ignorance amuses me.
And uhm... I think you should read up on Sharia, since you obviously know nothing about it AT ALL!

All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but they have differences between themselves as to exactly what it entails. Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia, as well.

Do you understand that those smalltown stonings (Which aren't even happening regularly as you suggest) have nothing to do with the 'national' laws, thats the small-town people acting on their own, doing what THEY think Allah wants them to do!

The things you write are simple not facts, maybe a hundred years ago, but the middleeastern countries HAVE developed to the better since then -(Even though it's hard when there's an American government [falsely] accusing them of things, killing civilians, destroying the country, and slowing DOWN developement.GTFO.)

And since you didn't know, most middleeastern countries ACTUALLY have marriage laws permitting anyone under 18 to get married. Iran, unfortunatly, is an exeption, with a very low marriageable age.
Btw - with court consent 13 year olds can get married in New Hampsire, and 14 year olds in several states in your precious America.

And seriously?
"Invoking Allah (God) in every sentence to justify *beep*"

CHRISTIAN ARE WORSE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. Most muslims ACTUALLY believe that they are doing what Allah wants them to, most filthy christians DONT, they KNOW it's just their own evil hatred, but they try to use religion to justify their actions anyway!

And please, give up, everybody knows - or should at least know - that the worst people in the world all live in America. It's just a fact. You have more serialkillers in your short history than ANY other country has had in thousands of years. You have more schoolshootings, rapist, murderes and i could go on. And I'm not talking in numbers, I'm talking percent, so the 'Well, we're more people in this country' argument wont work.

Now COME on, argue that.

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I have to agree that no religion is above reproach. The things that have been done in the name of religion have been despicable. Sadly, people are myopic and chauvanistic about their religion. I'm as saddened by the aspects of Sharia Law that degrades and brutalizes women as I am about Catholic priests raping and molesting children. A lot of you fail to get the point of the movie. It's about the plight of women in such communities. It's about an evil and malevolent husband who exploited the fundamentalist extreme and misogynistic aspects of Islam. A man who also blackmailed a Mullah and emotionally blackmailed a poor simple man over his learning disabled son. We should not tolerate this kind of treatment religion or no. The only difference between Soraya's husband, Ali and Scott Peterson who murdered his pregnant wife Lacey is that one did it in the name of religion and the other did it just because. And no, no one should be so high-handed. We should instead ask why some men feel the need to murder their wives to discard them like a piece of trash.

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"You have more schoolshootings, rapist, murderes and i could go on. And I'm not talking in numbers, I'm talking percent, so the 'Well, we're more people in this country' argument wont work."

The difference is mass media & communication. While hypocrit nations HIDE IT and has no freedom of expression, America shows it programs and makes movies and TV shows depicting it.

Wanna argue THAT?

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LOL, what a poor excuse. "It's true, it's just that we don't know it!"
Come on, you have got to do better than that, it's ridicoulus. And obviously the only thing you could manage to argue?
Oh, and now all middleeastern nations are hypocrits? wow, you are certainly a piece of work.. But thank you for further proving my point *racist*.

And no, I'm sorry, theres nothing to argue there, it's too freaking stupid and weak.
But good luck on keeping to make up silly things :)

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Aww, gave up already? Realized you have nothing intelligent to say? That all your so-called arguments were weak and pathetic?
Well, thank you :)

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@edess

I agree with you, but wanted to point out an important nuance here:

"The only difference between Soraya's husband, Ali and Scott Peterson who murdered his pregnant wife Lacey is that one did it in the name of religion and the other did it just because."

Ali and his real-life counter-parts also commit atrocities "just because". I would add: "just because they can", and how can they?

They have given all their whims *divine* sanction by inventing misogynist religions like Islam, Christianity etc. It's a very powerful idea. They came up with a sock-puppet "greater-than-thou-so-don't-argue-but-you-don't-know-cause-it's-after-death" deity that veils their every whim with an aura of self-righteousness. They harm their victims in name as well as in bodies. This is much more despicable than some lowlife who knows that what he did was wrong and tries to hide it in a society that condemns his act; the so-called religious lowlife twists it as though he was right to do it, and the victim was in fact deserving and the one to be despised.

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"The Fundamentals of Sharia Law" is a misleading post because it provides a sweeping genralization for all Islamic countries when there are very deep divides over the meaning and application of Sharia Law.

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People need to stop making this thing about religion v. other religions. Yes Sharia law exists, and it is done so in the name of Islam. But a lot of things are done in the name of religion but they do not necessarily align with a lot of contemporary practices of the religion as well.

There are Muslim people who don't agree with Sharia law either. It's not intelligent ever to pigeonhole an entire group of people based on the actions of some of them.

The people who endorse Sharia law or practices similar to it - they bastardize their religion and it is a problem with that group of people themselves and they say it is in the name of their religion when they do not understand what their religion or what fundamental human values really are.

I think the real problem lies with a perpetual belief of women being sub-human. While in western countries this has changed drastically, you cannot deny that in the past such oppression has existed. It was only in 1919 that in Canada women's suffrage was extended to all women in all facets of government. While this obviously can't really be compared to stoning somebody to death but I'm just using it as an example of oppression that has existed in western countries as well.

This film moved me to tears because I was so angry of the injustice and because of the knowledge that this injustice still exists. However, I am not about to point my finger at all Muslims that they are evil and that their religion is evil. No, it's not actually - I know a lot of modern day practicing Muslims and none of them support Sharia law.

Blaming all Muslims will get us nowhere but just fueling more hate and discrimination on both sides. Ousting the fundamental Muslims who support this kind of behavior that violates human rights would be more effective. Why there is not more political pressure to change being placed on countries that support Sharia Law is beyond me. Or why the developed nations don't stop economic ties with countries who practice Sharia Law until their economy is crippled to make them bend to a will which is more humane is beyond me. I worked for a company that did so much business in a middle eastern country that endorses Sharia law - but of course, as is typical in North America our own success and desire for money is greater.

Anyway, I digress. People should read more about Iran before the Iranian revolution and before they are so quick to assume that Iran has always been a backwards country.

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Yes, but what matters most is not what a country's HISTORY might look like (because most countries of the world have a shameful legacy of blood and oppression, don't they?) but rather what is occurring there right NOW, at this very moment, that counts the most.

For example, Iran subjugates women. And so does Saudi Arabia. And this subjugation is not merely religious or cultural but is ENSHRINED BY LAW. For instance, Women are forbidden by law from driving a car in Saudi Arabia, nor can they venture out of their own houses unless properly veiled and accompanied by a male member of their family. Sick but true.

In other words, Iran and Saudi Arabia are practicing gender apartheid right now, in 2010, and yet millions of so-called "Liberals" around the world are largely silent on this issue.

There were boycotts against South Africa in the 1980s and 90s (thank God!) but when it comes to gender apartheid being practiced in the middle east, nobody cares.

Because if they did, they would call for similar boycotts.

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7)For a Muslim woman to prove rape, she must have 4 male witnesses. “Proof of adultery and rape will be either confession of accused or eye-witness of four male adult Muslims.” Hudood ordinance #7 of 1989 amended by #8B of 20 of 1990.

8)The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man, law o24.7.


I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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The law has been quoted.
Look it up in the Quran if you want. You can read the original article here:
http://www.radicalislam.org/content/terrorizing-muslim-women

I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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Yes of course I read the name of the link. What's your point exactly? I must have missed it somewhere. I'm glad you found something humorous in such a serious article.
I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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What exactly did you want me to learn from multiple postings on the same subject? It's so much easier for you to state your opinion than have me go dig it up through other user's opinions. Aren't these just more validations of what the article I mentioned said?

I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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Excuse me but that article was written by someone who knows first hand Sharia laws as she was a former Muslim. I've read other articles, not that it's any of your business, about Sharia law. She is also a human right's activist as well so just because she rejects the negative aspects of that religion, doesn't mean she hates Muslims. The link I gave you sites some of the precepts of the Koran. I didn't say it was the end all be all of places to get educated. I've been to a lot of Musliim websites and they have a tendency to deny a good deal of the laws and act like they are misunderstood when everyone knows that women in the Middle East have very few rights so how ignorant do you think I really am now? Do you think women in the middle East can have multiple husbands, pay to have 'brief marriages' out of wedlock in order to have an affair with a male prostitute, have the freedom to divorce their husbands by saying "I divorce you" three times or even as some countries where a simple text message is enough? I think you will find that the laws she has stated are corroborated on other websites.
Just about every Christian knows that the Bible contains laws in reference to stoning for adultry or working on the Sabbath - so if a ex-Christian did a website that referenced the negativity of these laws does that mean it's an Anti-Christian website? No it doesn't. It just means that person doesn't advocate the archaic violent laws that were in place back then and is no longer a part of that religion. One could just as easily find a so-called anti-Christian website that says something like "Scaring People into Conversion for thousands of years due instilling the retribution of hell Into Them".
Your're a pretty pretentuous person to call me ignorant when you don't even know me and I'm not daft. It's certainly nice of you to think you know so much more when you've not stated one opinion in reference to this film or Sharia law rather you simply directed me to a nest of postings on here that simply list more opinions about it that I've already read.
I belong to no religion (As I've stated before) but I do find the study of various religions interesting and sometimes sad because of the biast content in reference to females. Do you disagree with this?



I think she's the saddest girl ever to hold a martini.

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Lol.
America is a primitive and uncivilized country.
It's LEGAL in America to BEAT your children, and in 20 states it's even legal to physically punish your students!
Also, in nearly all of America, your see MURDER as a rightful punishment!
Are you saying capital punishment, and corporal punishment is a GREAT way of teaching felons and children what is right or wrong? No wonder all of your prisons are filling up!
You tell me, misbehave in school and get paddled?! Does the punishment fit the crime? Maybe if we were living in the 19th century. Humiliation and physical pain as punishment? You disgust me.


Absolutely none of your delusional perspectives are accurate. Where do you get your propaganda from, aljazeera???

It's mindless followers like yourself that become the pawns of murderous cretins with special interest agendas.

The only thing more obvious than your ignorance is the ease with which you can be manipulated.

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YOUR ignorance is obvious.

"Absolutely none of your delusional perspectives are accurate. Where do you get your propaganda from, aljazeera???"

Read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States

It's legal for parents to beat their children in ALL 50 states.
Around 40 states have performed executions legally since 1976.

Unfortunatly for you, yet again, I am right. Oh, Al Jazeera huh? So because my opinion differs from yours I MUST be from the middle-east, cause only people from the middle-east can have a negative opinion about your disgusting nation? Wow, ignorant AND racist.

Mindless followers like me? Because I go AGAINST the stream, and think negativly about America? Wow. Your stupidity amazes me.

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"So because my opinion differs from yours I MUST be from the middle-east.."

No, but from your name it is obvious that you are from Central Asia to be more accurate... maybe even from the country protecting the protagonists of the movie itself.

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Really? Thats funny, I'm from Denmark ;)
But nice try, glad you proved just how ignorant you are.

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Yeah, and Salman Rushdie is from Britain. Nice try!!
It seems you are more in denial than I am ignorant.
A Dane with such a staunch critic on the West and a die-hard defender of these barbarians? Who are you trying to fool?

ACT II:

So where are you originally from?

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Really? Thats funny, I'm from Denmark

You're danish and I'm from Atlantis....

pathetic brainwashed idiot

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And you're a huge *beep* idiot. I didn't write that, loser.
You're actually so stupid, you can't keep track of who's writing? Wow, I'm impressed, I knew you were an ignorant, racist, narrow-minded loser, but THAT stupid? Never thought it possible.

And how the hell did that stupid line relate to me being danish?!!! HA! IDIOT!

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What are you talking about????

Oh wait I remember now, you don't really know what you're talking about....

You're 20, you've never been to the United States. You have no basis in fact to support your diatribe. You have your opinion spoon fed to you by malcontents who are only slightly smarter than you.

You have a bright future ahead of you I'm sure.

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" you've never been to the United States"
Oh I'm sorry, i forgot you know me, and know everything about me! I have relatives in the United States douche, i HAVE been there, and i ain't never going back!
God, you have got to be the stupidest bastard on imdb.

"You have your opinion spoon fed to you by malcontents who are only slightly smarter than you."
There it is again! Do you always pretend like you know the person your discussing with? wow, thats pathetic. You have no social-life, so you have to pretend like you personally know the people your discussing with ??
I actually don't know any people who shares my opinion on America.

"You have a bright future ahead of you I'm sure."
I'm sure I do, thank you :)


Ignorance breeds hate. Which means all racist are just *STUPID*

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It's legal for parents to beat their children in ALL 50 states.

That's the best you can do???
Pathetic attempt to draw a comparison between the western culture and a population of radicals who use a subjective definition to support murder, patricide, genocide and xenophobic hatred.

If you were slightly less an idiot I would waste more time explaining the fallacy in your thinking. With you any more time or explanation would certainly be wasted.

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#That's the best you can do???"
Oh right, sorry i forgot, beating your children isn't a big deal if you live in America :)

And how about you shut the *beep* up, and read everything else i've written in this thread?
It's funny how you say im being manipulated, when your the one thinking EVERYTHING the American government wants you to think, and I'm the one who's not.

And it is actually very sad. Even with all the horrible stuff going on the countries like Iraq and Iran, those countries are still far better than America. Your nation makes me sick.

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1. I am not American. However I admire it.
2. Where's my head? Should've checked from the beginning but wasn't thinking: you're Iranian as your profile states. Danish my arsse!!
I rest my case, your comments are irrelevant and not a reference since you certainly have to defend your country's backward villages.

BTW, no matter how hard you try, your examples of savagery will never match your country's f... up regime. And FI, I have been to Tehran, smells like sh!t.

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Idiot, you just decided to ignore 90% of my profile or what? BORN AND RAISED DANISH IN DENMARK. I've never even BEEN to Iran! I dont even SPEAK farsi! My family have never even talked anything but danish.

You have got to be the most disgusting racist i have ever encountered! You should know that even if i were from Iran, it wouldn't be a reason for my opinions, since a huge part of the iranian public are very much against their government.
And your obviously missing the point. I'm defending Iran because your double-standards makes me sick! Because America is JUST as bad, if not worse! Maybe not in the same way, but it is. And all the *beep* you have gotten stuffed in your ignorant, immoral, insane head aren't all true!
Wow, the power of the American government does reach far.. You've been brainwashed douche.

EDIT: wow, just took the time to read YOUR profile. Live in Los Angeles huh? what a surprise.
And your fathers half Lebanese? your family must be ashamed you.

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Ashamed of me? why? Because I have an opinion?

And yes 1/2 Lebanese... Christian Maronite if you'd like to know, maybe that will clarify your question mark.

No longer living in LA, now back to working in EU (check posting time, it's 14:45 here) in liaison with: West Africa and the Middle East.

Idiot? I don't think so, not based on political or racial slurs anyways if you please. Otherwise it would make Stalin, Lenin, Hitler and Pol Pot idiots as well, evil maybe but not idiots.

What I like about the US: Freedom of speech and liberty, and i am not talking about the cops being on your case for speeding, I am talking about true liberty without boundaries, something they (in the M.E) will probably discover in the next century.

My outrage? Isn't it enough to keep watching evidence on barbaric actions perpetrated in... Muslim countries specifically - whether in Asia or Africa?

I don't hate Iran, I hate what it has become, and what it still pushes to remain.

You're 18 and need to move around a little to see things for yourself.
I am 34 and fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to travel extensively in my life, hence, discover “traditions” : MENA region, East and West Africa, Central Asia, and worst of all: Yemen (only because I would not risk Pakistan and Afghanistan).

So, as much as Western media twists stories, you still have a little tiny bit of truth out there and that is enough to make them primitive.

Farvel.

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Actually - not that it matters - im 20, just fixed my profile since i wrote it some time ago.
anyway, I do not appreciate you patronizing me because of my age. I've traveled, I've lived, and I KNOW. I'm not oblivious to the situation in the middle-east, but fact is that the United States has worsened their situation significantly these past years. The hatred of the Bush-regime have stopped any progress the middle-east might have made. Why should they want to evolve, when all they see from our/your civilization is war, crime, racism and hate? Why would the want to 'aspire' to THAT? and HOW can they progress when they are being terrorized?

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I'm not oblivious to the situation in the middle-east, but fact is that the United States has worsened their situation significantly these past years.

Really, look at this link and tell me what the US had to do with this situation.
What an uninformed juvenile delinquent you clearly must be.


http://vodpod.com/watch/1428923-sweden-in-grip-of-islam

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WOW, you could come up with ONE SINGLE incident, WOW, you have certainly proved me wrong! And no, I wont even waste my time watching that.



Ignorance breeds hate. Which means all racist are just *STUPID*

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I thought so...

And in the same thread you include this little motto...
Ignorance breeds hate. Which means all racist are just *STUPID*

Ignorance indeed.

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"I thought so...

And in the same thread you include this little motto...
Ignorance breeds hate. Which means all racist are just *STUPID*

Ignorance indeed."

That post didn't even make any sense at all, what are you trying to say - or do you even know ?
Thats the best you can do?
Seriously, your wasting my time, and especially your own time in writing that, at least write something with a little substance, or something productive.

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In modern day christianity these remedies are not practiced.


Explain that to the families of dead abortionists killed in the name of Jesus.

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When will atheists stop quoting the old testament laws to attempt to descredit christianity??

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When will you stop trolling IMDb?

"It was a horrifying thought. Our once proud nation...shaped like a wiener dog."

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I agree with oneoclock. All religions teach intolerance. While Sharia Law is particularly repulsive it is interesting to consider that right wing Christian Dominionists in the United States want to take control of the nation and install biblical law, one of which is stoning to death those who violate certain laws. Stoning is favored because it's cheaper than any other method. Some of these people who have been brainwashed since infancy may be your neighbors.

These same fundamentalist fools don't bother to read their own holy book else they may go to WalMart or their favorite restaurant, after prayers of course, and execute all of the employees as dictated by Exodus 31-15 "whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."

Why not? The blood thirsty invisible man in the sky commands it.

It's all mythology.

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Your an ignorant fool The original poster).

Christians by definition only existed after your old testament quotes.

In the Old World there were laws, barbaric by todays standards that were adhered to in civilizations infancy to protect order and save lives.

Christ taught a new order and said as much. He was against putting people to death.

The Old Testament is a History of Mans Laws in a Time when Patriarchal rule attempted to Rule society while honoring God.

The New Testament is where Christianity comes into play. It is the same religion, but God instructed his followers to be more kind with each other and to respect each others rights.

Our current legal system is loosely based on this.

Islam is also based on the Old Testament God, but was invented by a Highwayman to exert control and power over his land. It is full of contradictions and self serving falacies, but like most cultish beliefs is full of violent repercussions for doubters, unlike the Jedaism it borrows from to spin the web of lies.

No Christians think that people should be put to death for adultery, or pay a victims father for raping her in order to marry.

These are laws for a different time when truly life in every stretch of the imagination was very different from today and a woman needed a man to survive, whether it be a father or a husband, willing or not. This is not the case today.

Your critique of religion shows quite a bit of ignorance. It's time for you to go back and study history, religion, or at least stop making a fool of yourself.

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I'm not defending Evangelicals... I despise them for their politics and social stances. But it's worth pointing out that they almost entirely say the old testament was superseded by the new testament. So if you're going to condemn a religion based on the old testament, it ought to be Judaism and Zionism. But for some reason when people quote the old testament they primarily do so to criticize Christians, when really they are attacking the TORAH.

Sadly however the power of the Zionists in our media means such criticism is automatically dismissed out of hand.

Agreed though, Obama 2012!!!

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