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Bullet mark on Sid's face

posted 7 years ago by harryschweky
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*****SPOILER*****
At the end of the film "old" Joe (Bruce Willis) shoots Sid, and it only scrapes his face. Sid has his "freak " attack, and his mother calms him down. "Young" Joe (jgl) sees what will happen if old joe kills the mother. So he sees the only way out is to kill him self, which will end up that old joe never lived at all, joe is dead from then on.
If so, how does Sid still have the cut on his face from the bullet which old joe shot him, he was never alive to shoot him? All through out the movie we see that anything that you do will have an effect in the future (which is common sense).
It could be I'm missing a key point. I've just seen this movie once.
I really love this film.

[–] rainofwalrus 7 years ago

Welcome, welcome!

At the end of the film "old" Joe (Bruce Willis) shoots Sid, and it only scrapes his face. Sid has his "freak " attack, and his mother calms him down. "Young" Joe (jgl) sees what will happen if old joe kills the mother. So he sees the only way out is to kill him self, which will end up that old joe never lived at all, joe is dead from then on.

Not quite. It doesn't undo anything OLD JOE did prior from within the running loop. It only vanished OLD JOE moving forward as a form of course correction. Everyone OLD JOE kills is still dead.

Joe() may not be "dead from then on" either as NEW YOUNG ABE (we see OLD ABE's corpse, non-vanished) can travel back at a later point in time to before any Loopers are recruited and NEW YOUNG JOE ***should*** be waiting for him.

If so, how does Sid still have the cut on his face from the bullet which old joe shot him, he was never alive to shoot him? All through out the movie we see that anything that you do will have an effect in the future (which is common sense).

Looper's Temporal Model is NOT commonplace. It's a hybrid model. The tangible/magical updates to a visiting double only happen within the anomalous "open/running Loop," and they only effect the anomalous double, I can prove this because OLD SETH exits the temporal fold with all his limbs. If this were common temporal mechanics, OLD SETH had already lost all his limbs and would arrive with prosthetics.

Looper is not exactly Mono-tubular (causal, linear). It's Poly-tubular.

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[–] Pantstrovich (14) 7 years ago

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[–] Pantstrovich (14) 7 years ago

Theory: Had the timeline they were trying to prevent happened, The Rainmaker would have had a metal jaw because the gunshot graze would have gotten badly infected with no one to look after him. Probably got gangrene or something.

If you remember, the movie kind of focused on Cid's mom cleaning and dressing his wound, after that bad future is prevented from happening.

[–] NoEasyBuckets (335) 5 years ago

The scene with the old version of Paul Dano's character sets up the logic for this. If he really had all of his limbs amputated when he was young, even if he lived another 30 years the whole sequence of events would have been completely different. In order for that to happen then he needed to be sent back as a healthy older PD.

I think where the logic falls apart is we see Bruce Willis' reality where he kills his older version, lives out his life and eventually finds his wife before the Rainmaker starts closing all of the loops. The Rainmaker shouldn't exist in his reality because he hasn't gone back to kill the mother yet.

So the effects of the time travel are inconsistent and I think that's why a lot of people have problems with the plot holes.