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Some questions (Spoilers)


1. In the beginning, how does Tashi/the corrupt cops know that the airline guy is bringing the guitar with drugs? Any idea who were the people, who were killed in that hotel room? How did the Airline guy know Tashi? Was it a double cross, or was Tashi just grabbing the goods from another gang? I know this query has been asked in another thread, but i was not satisfied with the answers; so am asking it again.

2. Near the end, when Guddu and Charlie have a fight over the guitar, and Guddu walks away with it, he finds Bhope's men dead on the tracks. Who killed them?

3. In the climax, how did the Bengali brothers know where everyone was? How did they know who killed Mikhail?

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i dont know the answer to #1 because i'm the one who asked it in another thread and i wasnt satisfied with the answer too

as far as #2 is concerned, i had the SAME EXACT question while watching the movie but the answer is given, and given very smartly. the director assumed the audience would be paying attention. before the guddu/charlie fight, you may remember a scene when the bengali brothers notice that mikhail is missing and one of the brothers calls mikhail while sitting on the toilet (while the other brother is in bed which a girl while playing video games) and they seem to be in a hotel room and in the scene right after that, you see mikhail's phone ringing on top of his dead body in charlie's house. now a bit later, when guddu and bhope's men come to charlie's house (so guddu can get the guitar), they see mikhail dead on the chair. then charlie and guddu fight and guddu walks away and sees bhope's men dead. for a split second in the scene RIGHT after that, there is a shot of charlie's house and the chair where mikhail was dead is now empty. that means that someone took mikhail and killed bhope's men. now a little later when everyone is at bhope's residence, the bengali brothers show up and mikhail is in the car with them (his dead body). that means they are the ones who took mikhail and killed bhope's men. this happened while guddu and charlie were fighting. now the director implies that the bengali brothers noticed that mikhail is missing so coincidentally, they checked charlie's house right when guddu, charlie, and bhope's men were there. so while guddu and charlie were upstairs fighting, the begali brothers killed bhope's men. and maybe while killing bhope's men, they found out that it was bhope who killed mikhail so that's why they went to bhope's house in the end. and bhope was a pretty popular man, he was about to come on tv and he was standing for elections so it wasnt hard for them to find out where he lives.

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Yes, now that you mention it like this, this seems like the most probable scenario.. hashah, i think you nailed it for questions 2 and 3...

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ya i actually have a couple more questions. 1) why did charlie go to tashi if he didnt have the guitar? he claims it was to help guddu but how did that help guddu? 2) i read on different websites that the two brothers realize in the end that they have no one else in the world but each other. how is that true at all? ya, charlie helped guddu by letting him take the guitar but saying "they have no one else but each other" is kinda pushing it. 3) well this is more of an error. in the beginning when charlie is narrating, he says "my father told me on his deathbed 'life is a bitch'" but charlie wasn't with his father on his deathbed. charlie went to get rs 5000 for the watch his father stole and when he got back, his dad was dead.

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@hashah786>>>

Ans 1. Charlie guesses that Bhope will not leave Guddu once he gets the Guitar.(He can guess this because Charlie is also a Kamina like Bhope...infact in the movie everyone is a Kamina except Guddu).Charlie wants to do atleast one right thing in his life.(As Guddu tells him.."Life is giving you one more chance")
Also he has his own motive because he wants to get some money(for his dream),so he decides to go along with Tashi (and his gang) to get back the Guitar instead of going alone.

Ans 2. That depends on what website you read it.Whether it was an official website or just some blog where anyone writes his own "feeling".Anyway thats just for publicity and some literary freedom is used.

Ans 3. Well you got it wrong mate.Its NOT an error.Charlie never says about "deathbed"....he says "My father always used to say....".
I wonder if u have seen in Hindi...or English Subtitles/Dubbing in English..because meaning might have changed slightly in translation.
Also he goes to get Rs.5000 not for the watch but for bail...so that he can get his father out of lock-up.

Dhan Ta Nan !

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thanks loverboy for the explanation
and about the error, i'm pretty sure i'm right. i actually saw the movie twice, and the first time i saw it, i loved the dialogue when charlie goes "life bari kutti cheez hai" and then as soon as they said that charlie wasnt there when his dad died, the firs thought that came in my mind was "then when did charlie's dad give him that advice?" but i thought maybe i was wrong so i paid close attention the 2nd time i saw it and charlie said "marrtay waqt mere baap na mujhse kaha tha... charlie beta life bari kutti cheez hai" (while dying my dad said charlie son, life is a bitch) so i guess there's a small error there.

also, no one answered shubhox's 1st question which i also dont get. how did the corrupt police officers know the guitar was going to be brought to the hotel? and i think it was stupid for tashi to assume that the police officers would bring the guitar. tashi had a lot at stake -- he called the african ppl with the diamonds all the way from africa and assured them he would give them the drugs from the guitar but he was just assuming that the police officers would be able to get the guitar. and how did the airline guy know tashi and how did he know that the police officers were linked to tashi? because before anyone mentions tashi, the airline guy says to the police officers "i'll be tashi's bitch, please dont kill me." that's a bit confusing

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Yes you are write about that error.
Sorry,my mistake.

He does say "Mere baap ne marte hue kaha tha..Life badi kutti cheez hai aur if duniya mein kutton ka baf ek hi jawab hai."

although still...he doesn't say that "mujhse kaha tha"...Maybe father said to Guddu.And Guddu told Charlie at some later point.

You can listen that dialogue in this trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK0AlxgDKG4

about shubhox's question..yes that part is very confusing.

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oh yeah i guess that could be the case.
one thing i was thinking though. it's kind of dumb how the begali brothers came to charlie's house RIGHT when guddu and bhope's men were there. i mean, what a huge coincidence! and couldn't guddu/charlie hear bhope's man and the bengali brothers fight? guddu/charlie were upstairs (and on the balcony) and they werent exactly quiet either so how could they not hear each other? bhope's men and the bengali brothers fought RIGHT outside the house, possibly when guddu/charle were on the balcony. that's a bit strange. oh well, i guess it's just a movie (more like an amazing movie!)

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@hashah

regarding your last query, Bhope's men didn't hear Guddu/Charlie fight because I felt that they were in a different house altogether. When Guddu left the room where Mikhail was lying dead, I think he went outside to house nearby - it was not the same house. I maybe confused here, but it did feel like Guddu went outside after the first search..

But yes its strange that Charlie/Guddu didn't hear the gunfire, when the Bengali brothers killed Bhope's men..

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One more confusing/mysterious part about the movie was the scene in the posters.

I understand that the rain-song image of Shahid and Priyanka is just meant to entice. But what i don't get in the posters is the scene under some railway bridge - in the rain, 1 guy is lying half-dead on a bench, and 2 guys are standing beside him - one of them holding an umbrella - on the bridge, a train is speeding by.

I racked my brains but i don't remember that scene anywhere in the movie.

Any clues?

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you are right, guddu and charlie were fighting in the watch tower, not in their house...

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is charlie gay?

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O hello hashah786...There no need to put so much brain into this ridiculous piece pretentious movie-making.
And to the guy who asked the question...there was nothing which can't be understood in this movie so stop asking such questions.
You dumb people just make unworthy movies seem so big and well-made while they are just juvenile stuff.

You can't handle the truth...!!!

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n the beginning, how does Tashi/the corrupt cops know that the airline guy is bringing the guitar with drugs? Any idea who were the people, who were killed in that hotel room? How did the Airline guy know Tashi? Was it a double cross, or was Tashi just grabbing the goods from another gang? I know this query has been asked in another thread, but i was not satisfied with the answers; so am asking it again.
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Does any of this matter? One thing you have to remember the characters are living life off the screen too and the camera is only supposed to show you the important parts.
As for how did tashi know the cops would get tthe stuff, I'm guessing there was a pre-formed network or something. It could also be a one-time deal, though that is less likely.

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I agree with Igu_Soni. I do not understand what is the relevance of all these questions. We are being shown what happens when the story starts. There is no need to show anything more than that.

Secondly, the place where the guitar was hidden is not upstairs. It is a little away from Charlie's home (which is an abandoned railway coach). We see Guddu walking on the tracks to that place (which is actually a room for changing tracks) so it could not have been 'upstairs'. Also, before Guddu sees Bhope's men lying on the floor, we see him walking back on the tracks.

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I agree with Igu_Soni. I don't understand what is the relevance of the first question. The scenes are shown where the story starts and there is no need to know anything before that. I get a feeling that even if you get a satisfactory answer, you will again ask, "How did that happen?" and on and on. The story felt complete even without the explanation for Tashi's and Narcotics Police's actions.

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@Igu_Soni and rohit4165

Yes I understand what you mean - we should look at how stories happen and not why they happen..

But the urge to understand the back-story of a movie that we liked - is too much to ignore :) I thought that IMDB is a suitable forum for such self-loathing and insightful discussion about trivia or nitty-gritties of a movie. If not here, then where? PFC is more of a blog-site than a forum..

I hope that we do get an actual answer eventually...

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But the urge to understand the back-story of a movie that we liked - is too much to ignore :) I thought that IMDB is a suitable forum for such self-loathing and insightful discussion about trivia or nitty-gritties of a movie. If not here, then where? PFC is more of a blog-site than a forum..
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Fair enough, though I (personal opinion) think that it should always have some relevance to the movie.

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I hope that we do get an actual answer eventually...
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I think there is none. If I were writing this story, I wouldn't have bothered to create an answer to this question. So, just think up a backstory, write a fanfic and that's more or less the best answer you're going to get.

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@who were g dead guys in d hotel room and hw did tashi n cops knew abt d airline guy n guitar...

d airline guy was supposed to deal wid tashi bt instead went wid d oder guys who were found dead in d hotel room (one o dem was mr narang if i remember correctly). Nd probably dey were killed by d cops. Again summin vishal left for d viewers to understand. It was shown clearly dat tashi nd d airline guy knew each other well. Dey must b dealing wid each oder regularly only dis time d airline guy tried to cheat tashi n got caught. Cops again were a part o all dis as they were used by tashi to move drugs within city from d airline guy (nd other ppl tashi deals wid) to tashi.


@ y dint charlie n guddu hear anything while fightin..

well it was besides railway tracks i guess...passing trains, nd other noises common at such places..nt too big a deal if d bengali brothers nd d twin brothers dint hear each other..

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