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82% Black Jackson, Mississippi has no drinking water...


Wakanda isn’t real. But the consequences of replacing the population who built and maintained Jackson with a racial group incapable of keeping the water flowing is a very real reminder race is more than skin deep.

You can’t maintain a First World infrastructure with a Third World population.

Potable water is not a human right; it’s the byproduct of a people capable of future-time orientation.

Will the last white person leaving Jackson, MS even need to turn the lights off, or will the power grid fail long before?

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It's built around a river.

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Would you care to drink water right out of the Mississippi?

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I could come up with a few ways to clean it.

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So when Texas had no power because the system couldn't handle those storms, that is white people's fault then?

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Texas is 58% non white. And if I’m
Not mistaken the grid failed because they relied too much on Wind power...the blades froze.

Jackson has been neglecting its infrastructure for a long time. They’ve had black mayors since 1997 and they chased away the white tax base with high crime.

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Is the Texas government 58% non white?

Jackson has been neglecting its infrastructure for a long time. They’ve had black mayors since 1997 and they chased away the white tax base with high crime.


I'm just curious if having a white mayor would make any difference. I mean, if the issue is poverty and high crime, I would think that the colour of the mayor wouldn't change anything.

I think that issues like this stem from years of systemic racism, and aren't just easily fixed by white people because they caused the issues in the first place. But that's just me.

Now before you say that I am anti white, pro black, blah blah blah, it has nothing to do with that. I just think that the system which was pretty much designed by white Europeans, and then continued until about 60/70 years ago, left some issues, and they aren't just easily fixed without doing more harm. It's not just a black and white issue, it's also an issue in regards to North American Indigenous peoples, and if we want to look at other places which were colonies as well. I don't know what the answer is, but I do hope that it works itself out sometime.

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You cannot enslave a race of people, steal their wealth, break up their families, obliterate their culture and languages, and then continue on to steal their labor for hundreds of years, and then expect them to magically rebound.

Slavery reparations are due.

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thank you, Native Americans are due their share of the USA wealth monoply,
those casinos are nothing compared to how much white people should be shoveling cold hard cash into their hands on the beautiful reservation

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Meh, I'd close down all the Indian casinos. Gambling should be illegal everywhere. It's exploitative and targets fools with addictions, not only gambling but the alcoholism which goes with it.

A more powerful "tribe" Europeans conquered a weaker "tribe" Native Americans. That's not comparable to slavery in a nation with a Bill of Rights and guaranteed liberties and individual rights. The slaves were rightful U.S. citizens.

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"The slaves were rightful U.S. citizens." so Africans caught in the African savannah were rightful US citizens.

Ahem.

If someone in US has any kind of rightful claims to reparations those would be the natives. NOT black people.

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My niece is half indigenous. She received free tuition to go to a great university. Great efforts have been made to assist indigenous people. The descendants of black slaves have been largely ignored.

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And they should be ignored.

They don't have any other rights than other nations that had been enslaved. Like the chinese or the irish.

You think you are special just because of your skin color? Well, you're not. You're only a racist.

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African Americans have not been largely ignored. In the last 50 years, they have been coddled, catered-to, and handed ridiculous and grossly disproportionate amounts of benefits based solely on race. Every year they get more and more and more handouts, and yet their rates of crime and poverty and single-parenthood and violence have increased tenfold since the 1970's.

At a certain point, a logical person would have to ask if there just might be an underlying cultural problem in the Black Community that needs to be acknowledged, addressed, and remedied by black people before things will ever get better for them... or at least stop continuing to get worse.

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You ignore the culpability of the American government in this. What sort of damage is done to a people when their history is erased? These people couldn't even talk to each other when they were enslaved because they all spoke different languages. They were ripped from family, there was no heritage to be passed down, no wise old man who could tell them about their history. Can you imagine the shock of such a experience?

So they're in a new land, enslaved with other people who speak languages they don't know, isolated from family and everything they ever knew.

Is it hard to understand the sort of havoc this creates in these people's lives? Now if you're a racist you can just say this is intrinsic to black people - poverty and crime. But if you have a sense of fairness you'd see these people were set back centuries by this barbaric experience.

They helped build the infrastructure of this country with their slave labor. They are due compensation. It's only right.

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I can see you're trying to be respectful in your argument, so I'll do the same with my reply....

No, this generation is not due any compensation. If compensation was to be given, it would have been to the first generation of free black people. We're something like six or seven generations past that. Those people are not just dead, their grandkids are dead and anyone who was alive to remember stories from their ancestors are dead.

Black people were not the first people to be slaves, nor the last. Jews have been oppressed since the dawn of time, slaves since before the Egyptians, millions have been slaughtered less than a century ago, and anti-semitism is still rampant. Ever hear of "Irish Need Not Apply" signs? Asia was rampant with slavery. Speaking of which, half of the railroads in the Western US were built on the backs of the Chinese since before the Civil War. Japan attacked the US less than a century ago. They pushed through prejudice and spite from that and less than three generations later are thriving here. These people were not set back centuries and all of the above helped build the infrastructure.

I believe black people have actually made incredible advancements in the last 60 years thanks to the Civil Rights Movement. However, I think there's been some stagnation lately and it's absolutely due to their current culture. Lack of family values and education, black-on-black violence, calling those who try to assimilate Uncle Toms, etc.

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Yes, but the U.S. didn't enslave those other people. This is the United States of America with a Constitution and a Bill of Rights. As Americans we can only address the crimes of our own government. Irish and Chinese were not enslaved. Sure there was discrimination, but they weren't held in shackles by our government which claimed to guarantee its citizens' freedom.

I expect more from the American government. I contend that black Americans have half the net income of white Americans, per capita, because of a history of government-supported slavery.

Do you agree with the OP that 82% Black Jackson, Mississippi is a hellhole because "You can’t maintain a First World infrastructure with a Third World population."? Do you believe black folks are genetically inferior? Culturally inferior as Africans?

Or do you think there is another reason that Jackson is in dire straights? I say it's obviously due to a history of slavery.

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You mention the Consitution and Bill of Rights, but the originals of these left the power to regulate slavery to the individual states. Fact is as a country we evolved, amended our laws, and fought a war against our fellow Americans to grant freedom to slaves.

"I expect more from the American government. I contend that black Americans have half the net income of white Americans, per capita, because of a history of government-supported slavery."

What more do you expect? There are massive programs around to help the black man, there are scholarships galore, affirmative action, welfare to help those down and out, assisted housing, black-only colleges (their choice)... I could go on and on about how the goverment is helping out. However, the US is not here to guarantee every person succeeds. That's insanity - I think the goverment helps enough if not TOO much. I again use Chinese and Japanese comparisons. They pulled themselves out from extreme poverty and now the Asian ethnic group is the highest median household income in the US, bypassing whites.

I have no idea why you're inserting that random paragraph about the OP. No, I don't think anyone is inferior. Are you race-baiting? From what I read it sounded like an issue with flooding and a bad pump. It can't just be that simple? How do you specifically correlate a history of slavery with bad drinking water?

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Do you agree with the OP that 82% Black Jackson, Mississippi is a hellhole because "You can’t maintain a First World infrastructure with a Third World population."? Do you believe black folks are genetically inferior? Culturally inferior as Africans?


That's not racebaiting. I'm trying to get to the gist of the problem here.

Why are African-Americans underachieving as a group?

It seems to me either they're genetically and/or culturally inferior, or they've been held back by the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. I contend it's the latter.

The difference between Africans and Asians in this country is that Asians retained their old culture. The Africans were robbed of it by slavery.

If not, then blacks must be inferior to whites in some way. Lets not dance around it. That's exactly what the OP is saying in this thread.

I'm not just talking about the drinking water, but the high rates of poverty and crime among blacks as illustrated by the problem in Jackson.

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Now I understand what you're saying!

Well, I don't think anyone is inferior so I will argue that it IS about culture.I do think blacks (in general) need to focus on changing their current thinking of almost embracing their current status. There's a skit on The Chapelle Show about Calvin, who got a fast food job to save money and how he's practically tar and feathered by his community for it. It's on YouTube. This was written by a black guy!

Quit looking up to role models like rappers/athletes and the guys rolling around the street with Uzis. Inspire a family dynamic and willingness to educate and achieve. Asians are allll about family and allll about education, almost to a fault. THAT's their culture and why they are doing better than any other ethnic group.

What is fascinating about those living in the ghettos, like Jackson, is there is nothing keeping them there except complacency and familiarity. Save money and move away to a place with more opportunities. Even homeless people who have pennies in their pocket move to places that are more accepting and beneficial to them.

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Whitey stole the wealth of Africans? Wealth in Africa is measured by the number of slaves the elites had. They even traded these slaves for muskets so they could take more slaves!

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I'm not a bleeding heart and I don't even think in those terms. European civilization is superior to anything created anywhere on earth. Okay, happy now? I don't pander.

And I don't care what Africans did in Africa. I just know that the ones here now were and are American citizens and my government violated their rights.

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You literally said "steal their wealth"! What did you mean then?

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When you take a man from his home, throw him on a ship, transport him overseas and steal his culture, you've taken everything from him.

But then there's the wealth stolen in the form of labor on American plantations.

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Oil and diamonds to make two.

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"When you take a man from his home, throw him on a ship, transport him overseas" is an american citizen, right??

You are hilarious...

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Huh? When anyone is on American soil they are guaranteed the protections of the Bill of Rights. But yeah, most black slaves were born in America.

What is your problem ... as a human being?

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"When anyone is on American soil they are guaranteed the protections of the Bill of Rights." Nope. Being on the US soil doesn't automatically make you a citizen.

You're so ignorant.

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They have modern civilization because of whitey. The Arab slave trade dwarfed the Atlantic Slave trade by size and brutality. But they know better than to demand anything from the Arabs?

Reparations? They’ve been getting them. Blacks are 13% of the population, pay 6% of taxes and are 26% of the people on welfare. Every government program is designed to cater to them. Affirmative action is their baby daddy. 65% of blacks are employed by Federal, State and Local governments...ie public sector. Those jobs are reserved for them lest they be forced to compete in the private sector and end up with the short end of the stick 9 times out of 10. Those cushy jobs are like a bribe to keep them from rioting at even larger degrees.

Reparations? Fine! As long as we knew that’d be the end of it. But it won’t. Because in 10 years they’ll have squandered those gibs taken from whitey and they’ll be back for more.

No we can’t have reparations without separation. That’s the deal.

Blacks and Native Americans want $14 trillion? That’s the figure floated just by blacks alone...ok we Evil whites will pay it. But on one condition!

Those reparations have to be followed by separation. Reparations for Separation. That ought to be the motto.

Whites pay a one time very large sum of reparations...but then they get to separate and form their own country. Let’s say Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and parts of Oregon, Northern California and Washington State.

Let’s see if blacks, Natives and their liberal white/Jewish “allies” will agree to that.

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Whites pay a one time very large sum of reparations...but then they get to separate and form their own country. Let’s say Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and parts of Oregon, Northern California and Washington State.


White Aryan Nation? This is a nation of immigrants. That's beyond stupid. Besides, who will bus the tables at the diner? You know white kids won't.

They have modern civilization because of whitey.


I'm a Eurosupremacist. The Europeans created 90% of what's valuable on earth. You'll get no argument from me there. But when an African or an Asian immigrates to the West they can do as well as any white person. There is no genetic supremacy by race. It's been proven a lie.

The Arab slave trade dwarfed the Atlantic Slave trade by size and brutality. But they know better than to demand anything from the Arabs?


I don't care what the Arabs did. I do know Americans imported millions of slaves. And I know the American government supported the institution of slavery in my country. Unacceptable.

Reparations will go to infrastructure, not personal checks to every crack whore. It will be reinvestment in the country. College grants. Small business loans.

And no, white women, Asians and Latinos cannot benefit from Affirmative Action, only blacks whose ancestors were slaves.

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How do we decide who pays? I'm Italian am I considered white? My grandparents moved to the U.S. in the 1930s long after slavery ended (and by the way they weren't treated nice). Do we fall in to that category? Who dictated who gets paid and who does the paying? What about all the black people who are Doctors, teachers, firemen, cops, engineers, scientists, government workers etc.... are they going to have their hand out? Your theory of black people not being able to do anything because 400 yrs ago they were sold by their kings to the Dutch, and lost their language, and working skills, and oh yeah their culture is lazy and racist. Please get back to me on your reperations plan.

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Oh jeezus, the issue is holding the American government accountable for the violation of its own Bill of Rights by enslaving its own people.

And nobody gets a check, neither a doctor or a crack whore. Reparations are reinvested in infrastructure. We start with Jackson Mississippi.

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Oh Jeezus, we're is the US government getting the money from? Which taxpayers have to pay for these reparations? Thanks for answering all of my questions with the same nonsense you've been writing 👍🏼

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Divert the trillions we've been spending on Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Ukraine for the past 60 years and invest it in America.

You people are clueless to the waste.

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Clueless? Never once did i say I didn't know where that money was going or if I agree with it, don't put words in my mouth or assume on me, simpleton. Taxpayer money goes into everyy state, so if there is problems within that state it starts with the elected officials. How about let's hold them accountable. Geez some barbarians are still stuck in the caucus mountains clueless.

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You don't get it. Reparations money stays in the U.S. to supply drinking water to Jackson Mississippi. It's not squandered on killing Iraqis and Afghans.

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I do get it, I already said each state gets massive amounts of money through taxes, it is then up to the Governor and mayors to decide how that money is allocated. If those elected officials fucked up and lost that money its on them and they should be held accountable. Even if those brain dead officials got that money instead of it going to Iraq, do you think Mississippi would have clean dri nking water🤣? He'll no that money would be lining their pockets. You're the one who sounds lost and clueless. Reperations for everyone

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All I know is that I'd rather see some black kid in Jackson Mississippi go to college than see some Afghan kid's home blown up.

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Black kids can't go to college, unless it's a handout through reparations through the government? Most insensitive, racist, ridiculous comment I have read on these forums. This whole time I thought if you did good in school you can get into college, silly me. Please don't say it's because they are poor, because every race has poor people. The more I think about it the more I see that you don't realize you're racist. Next time think before you use your fingers.

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I'm talking about Jackson Mississippi now. It's the subject of this thread. They don't even have drinking water. And what, you think blacks are too stupid to plumb water into their homes? So why don't people have drinking water in Jackson Mississippi? Is it race? Or is it because our government has been diverting trillions of dollars overseas for decades and won't invest in America?

You can do good great in school but your parents can't keep food on the table so you get a minimum wage job instead.

You're so hung up on race you can't see the American people, black and white, are being fleeced.

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Go back and read your posts, I'm not the one hu g up on race, you are borebarian. Never once did I say a black person can't do plumbing, I said the elected officials fucked that up. Now you brought up about how black kids can't go to college, or can't do plumbing work and now they can't put food on the table.🤔
If you really can't get food on the table there are a couple programs that help with that (food stamps, welfare). I already told you once just because you're losing the argument do not but words in my post that weren't said.
Everyone of your posts have racial elements to it. Your bigotry has to stop, black people can do everything other races can, and without handouts.
I'm done with you AlmosttheBorebarian ✌🏼

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You asked where this money was going to come from and claimed he was dodging answering the question.

He answered clear as day - "Divert the trillions we've been spending on Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan ....."


So then you changed the subject completely and said state governors would steal the money.

So what are you saying ? its impossible for the federal government to assist the populace because the money will be stolen en-route?

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You tell me them where is the state income tax going for these individual states? I'm not talking about the federal tax that's going over seas. Nice try though 👍🏼
Broken clock is right twice a day, sooner or later you might get it right. I swear people twist words around just to fit their argument.

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thats a new turn.
I think you need to take a breath and think about which point youre taliking about .

which question are you answering?
who pays?
where money come from ?

see I thought we were still on the
"Wouldnt it be nice to take 10 billion off the military budget and use it in poor disadvantaged areas"

but maybe you've moved on to something else

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So I was told that black people should be able to go to college, I answered that by saying everyone has a chance to go to college.
Then it was but then they can't put food on the table, and I said there's plenty of programs that help with that.
Ok let's take 10 billion of the federal tax towards the military and put it towards the poor neighborhoods, but is that for all poor neighborhoods or just certain ones?
Now can so.eone please just answer me where is all the state income tax going? It's not going towards the water treatment plant, we seen this in Michigan. Like I've been saying someone needs to be held accountable.
Who pays? Where is it coming from? Same question worded differently...Taxpayer 👏🏽

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nice summary! I'm all caught up .
I'd say military money for all poor neighborhoods, but maybe Onan would disagree.

on the other thing , dunno .. sounds like the state purse has a leak . as you said .

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Side note you have a nice day, and Onan. We're all in this together anyways, let's not be divided.✌🏼

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Nope. Not form their country. Back to Africa. You got the money? You fly back with those money. Period.

And it's not 14 trillions. You have to calculate at minimum wage and then deduct every expense. Lodging, food, clothes, etc.

It's well known that right after emancipation millions of blacks died as result of poverty. They were free, but free to die. If their work would had been so valuable they would have thrived after being freed. They didn't.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/16/slavery-starvation-civil-war

https://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/after_slavery/introduction--a-critical-perio/varied_experience_of_emancipat

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Jackson, MS has been poorly managed for years and the leadership in the city is notoriously corrupt. As a capital city, it's a total joke. It's one of the worst places in the entire state to live. If you go just outside the city to its suburbs like Madison then you see the exact opposite, a nice, safe, effectively managed city.

Would a white mayor make any difference in Jackson? Frankly, yes, most likely. The city was certainly a better place to live in when it DID have a white mayor, so make of that what you will.

At this point white folks have damn near entirely evacuated.

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Texas has Republicans in both the Governors chair and Senate both are Jokes I say both are the problem lets hope voters wise up and make Texas Blue , The racist South needs to be Blue in General

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LOL.

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Yah it's a shame, but honestly what can we do about it? Can't just go in and say "let the adults take over".

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It's cute how white supremacists try to sound smart now. Another graduate from the Tucker Carlson university

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White people had all the money in Jackson and they all moved out of the city rather than integrate their schools leaving behind very little tax base to do things like maintain the water system. Great example of systemic racism and white supremacy.

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Did white people move out because of the high crime rate? What makes democrat voters think that it is alright for lower class people to commit crime just because they are in the lower class? What actually is psychologically wrong with democrat voters?

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No.

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Yes

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Yeah, that's pretty much what happened.

Gang culture, home invasions, assaults and property damage which lowered home values suddenly became a huge issue. People moved away to protect themselves, their families, and their interests.

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Was the crime rate this high when the white people moved out in the 50s and 60s?

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No they moved out before their women were kidnapped like the jogger in Memphis. Stop putting lipstick on a shit hole.

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Blaming whitey again, is this black fragility?

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Muh systemic racism and muh white supremacy.

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I realize it's easier for lazy racists to rely on their bigoted preconceptions than it is for them to learn about and understand history.

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Muh lazy racists and muh bigoted perceptions

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So if whites chose to just pack and leave and see of their own life is "systemic racism and white supremacy" - lol.

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They left rather than have to send their children to school with Black kids. I.e, they were bigots.

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And you know that because???

Maybe they left due to high crime and insecurity.

"Which Mississippi city has the highest crime rate?
1. Jackson, MS
Population: 166,383
Murder rate: 97.6 per 100k people
Violent crime rate: 693.9 per 100k people
Poverty rate: 42,261 (25.4%)
Average household income: $38,888"

Why would anyone want to live in a city with the highest crime rate in the state???

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/?city1=52836000&city2=51714000

You know who was against sending his kids to black schools? Your lover Biden ...

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"And you know that because???"

Because I live in America. It's the same thing that happened in many cities.

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I live in America as well.

I think that you are just projecting your own bias. And actually you don't know, just like to assume. That would make YOU the bigot.

Wealthy black residents leave as well. I guess they don't want to send their kids to school with other black kids either, eh?

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Yeah, eventually everybody leaves except those who can't afford to. But it started with integration. There followed white flight. I'm sure you've heard that term. An impoverished population was left behind.

Do you think the crime rate was as high as it is now back in the 1950s? I can't find the numbers but I'll bet it wasn't. It's kind of stupid to look at the crime rate today and assume it's why white people left 60 years ago.

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Not if you can't prove what the crime rate was back then.

"An impoverished population was left behind." the definition of racism: assuming that the black race cannot be anyway else than impoverished ...

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It is also foolish to think white privilege never existed but you know...

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How does your reply fit in this conversation???

I bet you have no idea either.

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Do not worry things will be fine. I won't hold it against you.

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So let me get this straight after reading the comments here...

Black people fail because of whitey, but when whitey leaves, black people fail even harder and that's whitey's fault for leaving...

Am I missing anything?

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You are finally using your brain. Now the logical next step is for whitey to send them a lot of money to make it right. And that does not mean right forever because that can never happen, but right until the money runs out.

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I guess the whites shouldn't have brought the slaves over here in the first place then? Its a problem they created. Only have themselves to blame lol

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They could have allowed them to come here as free men just like scores of millions of Europeans were allowed to. But to you, the choice for Africans was either stay there or come here as slaves.

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oi u w0t m8?

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What total racist BS.
And MovieChat looks racist too when they let posts like this stand.

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are u saying blm is racist?

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Yeah, I couldn't agree with what he said. He just labelled all Blacks as low IQ. There a many great blacks out there and I listen to and admire some of them.

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The NAXALT argument. Made by people who can’t understand per capita, outliers and averages.

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