SPOILER Smith


SPOILERS BELOW ABOUT THE PLOT AND ENDING






I'm still not completely convinced that the salesman is Smith. I mean, he turned around to the waitress like "dont worry I got this" and totally changes his tone and says he is Smith. I figured maybe he is a good salesman / talker and is "selling" the idea, persuading him that he is Smith and all the guys he has to back him up.

Then in the end the waitress pulls the gun on "Smith" because she is convinced too. Maybe he got himself so far deep into the lie that he rolled with it hoping she would not shoot him so he could get the money. After all, he is a sales man and wants to make big money and he just recently didn't get lucky with his job before going to the diner. So this is his chance to get some real cash. (I might be wrong about him having saying he had a bad day on the job, might be confused when they were held hostage and he said something about not wanting to be there)

I think maybe he isn't Smith and Smith is still out there. You would think Hank would have saw the black truck when he went outside to check. If the salesman really is Smith then Hank saw the red truck first and didn't bother looking around. Or it was parked somewhere else.

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Is says right in the movie credits Harold Perrineau is Smith.

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Interesting theory though, I also considered it at the time.

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You can pretty much tell Smith was the salesman when the gunman was asking if one of them was Mr. Smith because he wasn't.

At that point, here's what helped me realize the black guy was Smith; right when he came in, he first made a phone call and said he "closed" the deal and it took a little "convincing".

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Yeah, he was Smith.

So in conclusion, I hope you realize you're reading my signature.

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You're trying to over-analyse this. There's no mystery, it was obvious to me from the moment he walked in. When you have someone well-known playing what would basically be little more than an extra's role you know to watch out for him.

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Personally i knew he was was smith as he had name tag on that said he was someone else, unfortunatly this film relied a little too heavily on misdirection.

still enjoyed it though...

i blame the vodka ;)

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"You're trying to over-analyse this. There's no mystery, it was obvious to me from the moment he walked in. When you have someone well-known playing what would basically be little more than an extra's role you know to watch out for him."

This point is invaled as 2 others who are more well known than him were in the movie in even lesser roles. At least his had more screen time. You forget about Jake Busey & Danny Trejo? Woulda been something if the cop was Smith all along.
Too bad..already dead.


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He would have "SAW" the black truck? Did you go to school, ever? The proper English sentence(if you are speaking English, for it's hard to tell) would read "he would have SEEN" the black truck. Get it yet? God.

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Was that post really necessary? Do you feel better about yourself now?

Get a life.

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Ah, yes, "get a life". The ultimate internet insult - used by people who have nothing relevant to say. Good for you.

The guy who wrote "would have saw" deserved to have been criticized. I cringe in disgust when I see the number of illiterate comments on this site. People should spend more time in school and less time pretending they have anything of value to say about movies.

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Yeah, man, I know. I hate when people who don't speak English as their first language don't use perfect grammar when they try to be polite. Let's just kill them all! They're all stupid and worthless and can't know anything about film because they don't speak English. I wish I had a time machine so I could go back in time and kill Kurosawa, he didn't speak perfect English either. Hell, I'd love to kill Einstein, too. Stupid foreign people that don't speak every single word of English properly. How dare they?

You're an idiot. Just so you know.

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I'm a professional editor, but obsessing over grammar on an internet message board seems silly. It's just a message board, folks.

Standing for Freedom of Speechment

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I have to agree with you, I can not stand misspelled words and poor grammar.

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In a case like this, you have to go with the filmmaker's intention. They list Harold Perrineau as Smith in the credits, so it's pretty clear they meant that he really is smith.

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yep, well known actor + process of elimination made it obvious.
the big guy with gun knowledge would have been too obvious so it was never going to be him, it wouldn't have been either of the couple, and the waitress was painted as the hero / identifiable char from the beginning. that only leaves "the black guy" as referred to above :P

personally i thought it would be better if the waitress herself was smith, using a guy's name to further conceal her hitwoman identity but it was not meant to be. I thought from near the start, "it's the salesman but would be heaps better if it was the waitress"

that was 1 dissapointment, the other i had was how useless Smith was. I kept hoping he would pick the cuffs then when he breaks the chair to actually do something but for a pro hitman who's in with powerful people, he was useless

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They listed Perrineau as Smith because he identified himself as such, and so that viewers would know which actor portrayed "Smith" but it is still conceivable that he might not have been.

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It's a good theory, but if it were true he would have came clean with the waitress after she killed Madsen. Instead, if I remember correctly, he threw the same threats at her that he threw at Madsen. Saying stuff like "if you kill me, they will come after you". Do you think he would have said that if he wasn't actually Smith?

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Smith was Smith, indeed. but he sure didnt look like a hitman. i guess im used to hitmen being white dudes with giant arms, like madsen, not skinny little black dudes. but i guess maybe that was intentional to throw us off a little.

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Well, one of the first things we see him do is get on the phone and say he closed the deal, and that took a little more work that he had planned. After we learn about Green's deal, it's pretty clear in retrospect that Perrineau was telling someone on the phone that he had killed the family, and was speaking in code.

Sometimes I could kiss your mind, Roy.

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Not only a phone but a pay phone. He had a cell on him when Madsen had them hand over their phones. Only a criminal would use a pay phone. Also Greene would know where Smith was by where the call was placed. So that clears up that 'problem in logic'.

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There is ONE reason why everybody thought the "black guy" wasn't really Smith when he suddenly switched and admitted it - after denying it all along.
Hell - it looked so false - so now he's suddenly Smith. Wow, I thought - this guy has ba!!s to lie like that.
What is the one reason we all thought he was lying?
The one reason?
Without this reason, we would have believed him.
But we didn't, because of this one, single, solitary reason.
And that one reason is
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Bad acting.
Bad script writing comes in as a close second for reason number two (if we need another reason).

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