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The director is a spoiled brat


His father is a billionaire in Lebanon and he probably decided to try out his first movie in the real world because he can afford it!
It's a real bad movie, he should've trained better before going and doing a hollywood full length movie.
He's a shame to the Lebanese community but it's ok, we have many other people to be proud of!

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Especially you, by the sound of it.

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I don't think many white people are saying " He's a Shame to the white community" because he made 1 bad movie. Give the guy a break it was his first movie. Jeez. Do you know how many of the top directors today (such as Tarintino, Speildberg, Finchner)didn't have film training? Lots of their first movies I'm sure were bad. Give the guy some time. I loved the way it was directed, it just unfortunately has a bad script.

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The Obama stuff was a bad idea given how things have unfolded since the script was written (likely a year or two ago) and a lot of the dialogue needed more work. Some of the actors felt a little wasted.

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You have missed his point. The directors you name did not buy there way into the industry they worked and excelled in others areas first, like advertising or writing. People like this guy ruin the industry.

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I was commenting on


It's a real bad movie, he should've trained better before going and doing a hollywood full length movie.

I was commenting on the fact that many people in Hollywood don't have any formal training.

I don't believe people like that ruin the industry. I don't see how he bought his way into the industry. Yeah he may have pulled a few strings, but when you have those types of connections, you utilize them. If I knew a friend who knew a Hollywood producer I'd probably try and convince said friend to talk to the producer. If he had an in than that's fine. There is nothing wrong with having connections. And he didn't just magically pop up on the scene. He's been directing commercials for a while now. So there is your "other areas."
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this movie was awful. it looks to me like the only "training" the director had was watching video games and MTV. if he really did have formal training I wouls suggest seeking a refund.

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<<<<Do you know how many of the top directors today (such as Tarintino, Speildberg, Finchner)didn't have film training? Lots of their first movies I'm sure were bad>>>>

Tarantino's first film was "reservoir Dogs", a critical and box office success
Spielberg's first film was "the sugarland express" a critical and box office success and his second film "jaws" is one of the most successful films of all time
Fincher's first film was "se7en" a critical and box office success

were you being sarcastic or are you just misinformed?
comparing this awful hack to any of these guys is a huge insult to them. try comparing him so someone like Uwe Boll, now that I can understand.

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I'm not sure what was going through my head while playing devil's advocate and defending this director many months ago. I really did pick the wrong directors to prove my point.
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David Fincher's first film was Alien 3.
Spielberg's first was Firelight.

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yeah, you got me on Fincher. I forgot about "alien 3" being his, so "se7en was his second. Spielberg's first theatrical film is still "the sugarland express" (with a young Goldie Hawn) though. I don't know if you were being wise about "firelight" but since you've heard of it you also know that it's a home movie or a student film and can't be counted as his first professional work.

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You're ignoring that Spielberg cut his chops first on released to TV Movies. He made Duel, Something Evil and Savage before he made Sugarland Express none of which reached Critical Acclaim or massive success and only Duel has been started to look at as something a bit more than people thought when it first came out. The other two were written off as crap TV movies.

Also I question your definition of boxoffice success as Sugarland was made for 3,000,000 and grossed 7.5 million at the box office. Jaws made over 69 million a year later.

As far as good directors that had rocky starts, I'll point out Ron Howard whose Grand Theft Auto is generally mixed to below average. Kubrick's Killer's Kiss was said to have had potential but generally failed overall. Kubrick is more an acquired taste and may not be the best thing to throw out though. Some people love 'em, some people hate him.

I'm not defending Operation: Endgame. I thought it was good way to have some background noise and I dig Rob Cordry in it. However I dislike your presenting certain directors as being amazing out of the box when they weren't. Even Tarantino worked behind the scenes several times and watched major amounts of films before attempting reservoir dogs which should count as something of a training in composition of shots and pacing.

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"I thought it was good way to have some background noise and I dig Rob Cordry in it."

My sentiments exactly. It's not "Citizen Kane", but it's enjoyable and Chariot is very very funny.

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Fincher's first film was Alien 3, a critical and box-office disappointment.

Not saying it's his fault. The studio basically screwed the pooch on that one (there was a pretty awesome script by David Twohy originally).

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Actually, while I agree with you about it being an insult to compare this guy to the likes of Spielberg and Tarantino, you're kind of misinformed yourself.

Spielberg's first film was not "The Sugarland Express," but rather it was "Duel" in 1971! But in fairness, it did receive positive reviews and won a minor film festival award. I'm kind of surprised you didn't realize this...I thought it was widely known that "Duel" was Spielberg's first film!

Tarantino's first film wasn't "Reservoir Dogs," but rather was "My Best Friend's Birthday" in 1987...five years BEFORE "Reservoir Dogs." As it turned out, it wound up being 36 minutes...but only because a fire destroyed much of the film. The film was shown at film festivals...but has never been released. Still...it was Tarantino's first film.

You're even wrong about David Fincher: his first film wasn't "Se7en," but rather 1992's "Alien 3." Ironically the film was better reviewed by top critics than it was by critics in general...but it still is widely regarded as the worst of the first three Aliens films.

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