can someone please tell me what did she launch from the ship at the very end? or what is it for? I played the game and I could'nt find any info on that....
I dont think it was a missile by the way she had to launch it.... So what was it?
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yeah its an emergency message beacon of some kind- you see her tinker with the computer for a moment before she begins her message- basically establishing a link to the shuttle.
i only saw the movie though- havent played the game. thats what i got from it.
That's right - she records the message, transmits it to the beacon on the shuttle and then launches it into space. But...
*GAME SPOILER*
During the entire game you never actually come across any reference to the beacon. Issac (you) and the rest of the 5 man team you're part of only head out to the Ishimura after communications from the ship stop. You're a communications engineer, sent on the assumption that the Ishimura's comms array is broken. There's no expectation of anything hostile. Infact, you send out a beacon of your own in one of the chapters, which another ship responds to.
**spoilers***
that makes the ending even more sad then- because no one ever got the Chief of Security Guard's message.
the thing that bothers me -when people are reviewing this movie a lot are saying she was wholely unlikable... she was willing to lay down her life to save whoever she could- all throughout.. and no one would also listen to her common sense suggestions (which would put anyone in a bad mood)
so i wonder why so many people are saying 'wholely unlikable' - since when is being committed to duty and saving lives not something that would normally resonate in everyone? have people become so jaded as to think that there are not people like that still in the world?
in the game i believe i read
**spoilers**
you go down to the planet too right? did anyone ever find the warning from the guy in the comics? telling anyone one who gets this to nuke the place? or no one got that either?
finally- i also read
again! **spoilers!!!**
the marker on earth was of true alien origin.. but the one on the planet was made by humans and placed there??? (and thats hinted at- when they first discover it they find 'elephant digger' marks- and its a piece of equipment thats been out of service for a long time- so did they go into why anyone would create this thing?
its wholely bizzare and destructive. or did the gestalt mind have it placed there at some point?
*more game spoilers answering the above!*
Yep, that's all correct.
Along with never coming into contact with Alissa's beacon there's also no mention of the warning message recorded by the security guard in the animated comics either. It did make me wonder how tightly the stories of each were inter-woven, bar obviosuly following the same core plot and events sequence, but it doesn't really detract from the game at all. It would just have been nice to have had that cross over, it would have cemented it all together for me.
And yes - the Marker from Aegis 7 is revelaed to be a copy, reverse engineered by the Earth government which found the original marker on Earth. I can't remember if it said the government then destoryed the original marker or not. But basically they planted it on a remote planet and then activated it just to leave it for a while and see what happened. By 'a while' I mean a few hundred years (presumably) since it's mentioned in back-logs that Altman, the 'messiah' of the Unitology religion, was a researcher involved in the reverse engineering, and he defected and revealed thinsg after feeling that it was dangerous. That's when he was killed and where Unitology rose from. The Unitologists therefore really have found the a marker as depicted in their religion, they're not mistaken. It's just that they've misinterpreted what it is all for. The governement didn't intend the CEC to find the man-made marker, but since it's stated that planet cracking operations take around 3 years we can assume that when the CEC started work on the planet the goverment didn't step in and get rid of them. You find out towards the end of the game that a member of your repair team is a governemnt agent, sent in to cover it all up. It's that person who gives you all the info I've just given you. That person also reveals that your girlfriend, Nicole, is dead, even though you've been seeing and talking to her - you've been suffering the hallucinations brought on by the marker without even knowing she was dead. The way the game ends leaves the marker, the Ishimura, and the colony on Aegis 7 destroyed, but leaves you with a final scene that could leave it open for a sequel. Then of course, there's still the qeustion of whether or not the original marker is still on Earth in storage, just waiting to be activated...
thanks for taking the time to type all that out in detail!
i know the final scene you speak of...
and to anyone who read all this im sorry if we ruined it for you! (the thread says spoilers though)
did the gestalt mind mention what it wanted? just curious
or was it another typical creature like in a 1,000 stories where its motivations are never explained?
any idea or guess if something special or interesting happened to the russian girl who jumped into the gestalt mind's pit?
any sign in the game of the last survivor of the planet colony who made the message?
speaking about 'ties' to the game... one of the ones they did add- they really botched... when the chief of security grabs the girlfriend she says 'you got a boyfriend?' but its totally out of place and nothing to set that up.
i know they are tipping their hat to the girl in the game but a 'what's your name' or 'dont you have anything worth living for?' would have been a better set up to her mentioing the main character.
still- i like multi-media projects like this i hope they are successful enough that they continue...
i really liked playing the enter the matrix game to get the rest of the story of the second movie. i thought they did a good job where you didnt need to do both- you just got more out of it doing both.
some decade soon i guess we will be playing movie/games that look like Final Fantasy Advent Children or or Beowulf.
No worries :) Your questions got me thinkign about t few of my own in the game too though actually.
"any sign in the game of the last survivor of the planet colony who made the message?"
With regard to the security guard in the comics (Neuman) and his message... I said before that just like Alissa's message from the movie, you don't find any sign of it in the game. I was a bit unsure about that when I wrote it, and having just played through the end again I was wrong - you find an audio log he recorded at the time when the shuttles were trying to leave and everyone was panicing, just after planet crack. So it's not the one he recorded at the end of the comic, but I'm glad some sort of tie was there :) When you go to the colony you actually only go through a small part of it, so that could be a reason for not finding Neuman's last message I guess.
Other than that...
"did the gestalt mind mention what it wanted?"
Nope. It's not really explored whether it's sentient or not, or just a creature driven on instinct. But it's part of a bigger question I've been asking myself about where it came from, or which came first, marker or hive/gestalt mind... I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but there's a bit of a loop around it, chicken-&-the-egg style. I might put another thread up about this and see if anyone can explain.
Yeah, I know what you mean about that bit with Nicole in Downfall... but then I wasn't even completely sure if it was meant to be here or not. I agree with you, it would have been nice to have had a bit more to tie the two together, maybe give her some lines or a just a few minutes extra. To be fair, I don't think the movie was up to much as a stand alone thing, but as a part of the game backstory I was happy enough with it.
I Think the Spaceship Valor, that come in the mid of the game was responding to this beacon, wasn't?
share<< by - rbeouwlf on Wed Nov 26 2008 11:38:14 I Think the Spaceship Valor, that come in the mid of the game was responding to this beacon, wasn't? >>
Yeah -- that's the idea -- because (SPOILER) they've come to obliterate the ship.
I got a question of my own. That ship at the end. Was that the one Issac is on?
"...Raggle Fraggle."
yes
Then why is it that people are asking why nobody responded the to message Vincent sent? It was just launched. Nobody had time to retrieve it. Her body floating on by would probably be hard to spot in all the debris.
"...Raggle Fraggle."
when the edit switches from her tumbling, to her eye and her floating off into deep space i believe its quite some time later. i dont think the main character of the game is litterally arriving 30 seconds after she sent the pod.
especially since she just fades out instead of getting smaller and insignificant as she goes into the distance
truthfully during the sequence all my mind keeps asking is 'where is that breeze coming from that is moving her hair in space?' it should be perfectly still. i would think she should look more tramatized/ panic stricken in death too
oh well.. poor vincent
Actually, her body would be a mess. I mean, she's being exposed to a vaccuum. She'd pretty much...ugh. Well, let's just say it wouldn't be pretty to watch.
"...Raggle Fraggle."
Actually nope, her body wont be a mess, externally that is. She will have massive internal injury's to her lungs though as they will rupture when exposed to explosive decompression as in the movie, but only if she forcefully held her breath, which I guess most people will do if ever put into that situation. Also her extremities will freeze after a while but heat from the main body will take a good while to leave it. Space aint got an atmosphere so the heat ain't got nowhere to go. You don't freeze instantly, like in the movies, you don't explode, like in the movies and your eyes don't pop, like in the movies. You will bleed from the ears though as your eardrum will most probably break and you will loose conciousness quite quickly. The movies get it wrong most of the time. 2001 A space odyssey got it quite right though for some reason.
- quoted from some Nasa site.
If you don't try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury. Holding your breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness.
Various minor problems (sunburn, possibly "the bends", certainly some [mild, reversible, painless] swelling of skin and underlying tissue) start after ten seconds or so. At some point you lose consciousness from lack of oxygen. Injuries accumulate. After perhaps one or two minutes, you're dying. The limits are not really known.
You do not explode and your blood does not boil because of the containing effect of your skin and circulatory system. You do not instantly freeze because, although the space environment is typically very cold, heat does not transfer away from a body quickly. Loss of consciousness occurs only after the body has depleted the supply of oxygen in the blood. If your skin is exposed to direct sunlight without any protection from its intense ultraviolet radiation, you can get a very bad sunburn.
Animal experiments?? Jesus fücking Christ!
Well, i guess Event Horizon was pretty accurate then? Anyway, not a particularly nice thought to be confined in infinity forever.
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>, but theory predicts -- and animal experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury.
Holy crap, they actually TESTED that? I'm getting a sick picture in my mind...
NASA Scientist: Okay, guys, let's shove these things out the airlock and see what happens...
(A few minutes later)
NASA Scientist: Hmmm... not having oxygen seems to kill dogs. Okay, let's see what happens when we shove the chimps out there!
"Be afraid, be very afraid."
They Probably tested it on animals here on Earth. I highly doubt they wouldn't have some kind of room in their facilities which replicates the effects of going out of an airlock. All they'd have to do is have a room and suck all the air out at an alarming rate :)
Still, putting animals through that is a bit sick.
Yup, the Kellion is Isaac's ship.
I was pissed that the Marker didn't hold off any Nekromorphs as depicted in the movie. What's the point of creating such a movie as a prelude to a game when you don't stick to the friggin' story??
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LOL can agree on that one Gloomy seems the try really hard to make the comics and movie and game to stick together. But they fail.
shareThe Marker did stop the hive mind, and when it was taken back by that traitor girl the mind re-awoke (does that word even exist?) and the final battle started. Also, but I just read this elsewhere, when u put the marker back in place the necros behind you will die.
shareI don't think so. I put the marker back in its place, but I still had to kill the enhanced slasher behind me. after the marker was activated.
Been a long time, comrade.
I first watched the film, and when I played the game I did think the marker would repel the necromorphs... what hell man!! I was scared :D
The I read about, they made the film and the game, but in the end they did see that the marker doing that would be terrible for the game...