In the description it says "Having endured his legendary twelve labors, Hercules, the Greek demigod" and right there they're wrong. In Greek mythology, he was called Heracles, and when the Romans took over, their adaption of him was called Hercules but he actually did all his adventures when he was Greek so the movie should be called Heracles.
Does this bother anyone else or is it just me?
No, it's not just you, but there's a LOT more to bothered by.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/17/alan-moore-calls-for-boycott-of -wretched-film-hercules-on-behalf-of-friend-steve-moore/
The upshot? Nobody bothered to PAY the guy that wrote the comics this...alleged film...is based on.
Because they didn't pay him, he told them not to use his name.
Yet since he DIED, they've been using his death as free publicity for their crap-looking alleged film.
I know that royally screwing over the real writers who actually create the ORIGINAL works these sorry excuses for protoplasm "adapt" for their alleged movies is practically a union law in Hollywood, but this?
WAY over the line, even for ethically bankrupt Hollywood.
Hollywood goes to the people who own the rights. Plain and simple.
Moore should have been more careful with the contract, especially considering he already had problems with them...
He should have.
But while he was dying, he very specifically told them NOT to list him anywhere in the credits; and they've done so, in order to use the cashet of his reputation in the comics world to give this mess the illusion that he has something to do with it.
He didn't. He disavowed it.
It deserves to have bombed worse at the box office than it did.
Actually they didn't do so.
His name definitely wasn't in the credits - I saw this post before I saw it tonight, and stayed through them to check.
Now, while you were wrong on that count, it does definitely reek of them doing things 'to the contract' a little too exactly.
i.e. He told them specifically to only not put his name in the credits, so they didn't. Except because he didn't tell them not to actually use his name to promote it, despite the fact they knew he wouldn't be happy with it, they could get away with it as he never asked them not to do that.
Also, 'bombed worse' at the box office? It doesn't appear to be a box office bomb at all?..
I totally agree - Hollywood are evil, blah blah blah, but let's not go making up lies? It's doing perfectly healthily at the box office and his name isn't in the credits.
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I thought I saw a "In Memory of..." credit at the end.
shareCan't remember seeing that, but "In memory of" isn't a credit; it's a dedication.
Which is my whole point: technically, they followed his request to a tee. He wasn't given 'credit' for actually DOING anything. There was no 'written by' or 'created by'. That doesn't mean they didn't stretch it to doing whatever they could to getting around it while still 'following his request', and it doesn't mean they are nice people.
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It's a business, not your parents. They had a budget of 100 million *beep* dollars. They will do anything to make sure they get it back at least. Jesus christ. They didn't murder anyone, they didn't even breach the contract. They might have mentioned a name somewhere in legal context to try and get back the 100 million dollars they spent.
Let's say that even if they decided to ditch the comics, for f **k's sake, the story of Hercules is more than exciting enough! The script practically writes itself, it takes a special kind of moron to completely mess it up!
Greek mythology is soo wonderfully visual and theatrical you would think that Hollywood would manage to come up with some really good movies!
Instead over the past few years we got the story of 3 of the greatest heroes of Ancient Greece in movies that vary from cheese-pretending-to-have-substance, Perseus in "Clash Of The Titans" and the completely and utterly unecessary "Wrath Of The Titans", to the so-so "Immortals" with Theseus, and Hercules in this year's (2014) two turd-drops, one abomination "The Legend Of Hercules" and one constipation this here "Hercules"!
Not to mention the dreary and ultimately mediocre "Troy"...which butchered pretty much every beloved character of the Trojan war, like featuring Achiles, aka Brad Pitt, with platinum blonde/gold hair locks and a leather kilt ...but at least that one was R-rated and had some good battle scenes, not the least of which was Hector vs. Achilles...
Can you imagine what this movie could have been in the hands of another director and if they had stuck to the comics and done it justice...and went for an R/18A rating, instead of the $100 million watered down PG-13/PG version?!
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Who cares! Hercules is a free domain, not his ip either.
shareIt doesn't matter.
They used what is more familiar to the general populace.
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It does matter though. I for one enjoy a movie more when it's ACCURATE. Not just making *beep* up to appease the 'general populace'
shareDo you have the same problem with all the other "Hercules" movies, TV series and graphic novels or just with this particular one?
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I'm also amused by the fact that this "goof" is only listed on this project's page and not here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1043726/trivia?tab=gf&ref_=tt_trv_gf or anywhere else.
Do you have the same problem with all the other "Hercules" movies, TV series and graphic novels or just with this particular one?
"The general populace"?!
http://youtu.be/rQQVGivMll4
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If it matters so much to you, why aren't you upset about the way they changed his actual story? The fact is, he is known to most people as Hercules. If they called the film Herakles, a lot of people wouldn't have a clue as to who that is.
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As a Greek-American it bothers me a little but the public in general for years now identifies with Hercules - most wouldn't know who Heracles was!
shareI had a neighbor who was Greek; her brother was named Hercules. Still, any time I refer to the difference between Rome/Greece, people just glaze over.
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Heracles and Hercules are the same. One is in Greek the other in Latin. Most English speakers are familiar with the Latin version since their alphabet is derived from the Latin. While most Southeastern and Eastern Europeans who's alphabets are derived from the Greek are more familiar with the Greek spelling of his name. Case in point in Russian he is known as "Гера́кл" from the Greek "Ἡρακλῆς". Same with Albanian ""Herakliu".
shareExactly. The Romans changed the name but didn't change anything else. He is Greek in their stories as well and all his adventures take place in the Greek world.
shareThen why not call him by his Greek name? It's that simple.
shareBecause most people know who "Hercules" is and don't know that "Herakles" is the same person. There is no upside to confusing the audience.
shareBecause most people know who "Hercules" is and don't know that "Herakles" is the same person. There is no upside to confusing the audience.
It's because of the ongoing antiGreek propaganda of Hollywood...
It's the only possible answer after you see what have they done with Greek heroes
Heracles and Hercules are the same.
Other than how it's spelled, how are they different. The stories are the same no matter how it's spelled.
sharePerhaps because they used roman names. They are actually latin transcriptions of the greek ones. So we have "Autolycus" instead of "Autolykos", "Eurystheus" instead of "Eurystheas" and so on. If you listen to the names, you'll note that almost all of them end in -us which is a common latin ending for male names, not a greek one. So your rant has no real basis.
shareSo why did Iolaus claim he was the son of Zeus (Greek) not Jupiter (Roman/Latin)?
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I'd say because of tradition. The name "Zeus" is more famous among the audience than Jupiter (not to mention that the latter is also the name of a planet!), and more people recognize it as a greek god. Nonetheless people tend to use latinized names for the heroes, because most books used them in translations during the last centuries.
For the same reason, when dealing with northern gods and heroes, people recognize Odin and less easily Wotan, Woden, Óðinn, Gangleri or Alföðr.
Hey--that last one is a title, not a name.
(Actually took Old Norse as my foreign language requirement in grad school).
And HERACLES is the Greek name.
So, if everything is referencing Greece - they should be calling him Heracles - but they don't.
How is this NOT understood ? Are you just trying to be stupid ?
The point is that for centuries people have known him by his latin name, because the authors who made him popular wrote in latin. So it is simply useless to grumble now. The same with the philosopher Ἀριστοτέλης, known in english as Aristotle, or Πλάτων, Plato. In the same way, greek authors gave greek names to places and things not in Greece... like Αἴγυπτος for the land of khemet, or Νεῖλος for the river Iteru. Nothing new.
shareThe conclusion is somehow right but there is no Southeastern and Eastern Europeans who's alphabets are derived from the Greek... Just we are historically and emotionally closer to greeks as more or less inheritants of the thracian tribes... But the alphabet is completely different. Only greeks use their alphabet no matter how nice it is :)
And yet in Bulgaria the latin pronunciation is more common... I have no idea why...
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..and he actually was gay..well bi
Anyway, getting riled over the use of Hercules over Heracles in an American movie is completely silly. 19 out of 20 Americans would have no clue who Heracles was.
lol! His bisexuality was also part of the graphic novel that the movie is based upon but they kept that part out from the movie along with his male lover from the comic. lol
shareAre those the changes that author had that made him tell the studio to leave his name off this?
And why are they using his name--Moore has an excellent reputation in the field--when he was never paid, and he told them not to use his
Are those the changes that author had that made him tell the studio to leave his name off this?
And why are they using his name--Moore has an excellent reputation in the field--when he was never paid, and he told them not to use his
Well thankfully I'm Canadian and I asked in the beginning if it was just me, which apparently it is.
shareAlso, you have to realize, the Greeks would *beep* anything. Guy, Girl, probably even a goat or a sheep. Although, Heracles did marry twice I believe, both to women, it was just a Greek thing to *beep* anything that walked.
shareHercules had plenty of female lovers but he also had male lovers as well. By modern terms he would be identified as bisexual.
shareHaving in mind that for the first 500 years, at least, and 99% of later versions, no version of the story of Herakles had any such homoerotic relations, by modern terms he would be identified as a victim of (gay) propaganda.
Hollywood making a movie about Moses, having him screw a sailor boy doesn't make Moses gay. It makes that director a person with an agenda, reflecting a trend of his time, or more precisely his audience and his surrounding. Same is with Hellenistic and especially Roman authors rewriting century old traditions in their poems.
Your agenda here is very obvious but it doesn't serve either history, or cultural heritage, or gay rights for that matter...if first two were ever your concern at all.
Wow, a troll...how 2013.
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It's just you. Americans know the Greek hero as Hercules.
shareOf course it bothers me, same as anyone else who has even the remote interest in the subject, and has been through an actual educational system.
For those who claim audience couldn't identify Heracles with Hercules?!? Should you even go to the movies? Cartoon Network is still alive and well last time I checked...