didnt get an oscar nomination
sorry taiwan, no oscar for you
shareno big deal, still a remarkable film
shareUh, sounds a lil sour...i'll have to rephrase that:
"no big deal, wasn't expecting to be nominated anyway"
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doesn't stop it from being brilliant, which happens to be the whole point.
sharewhy are people so obsessed with these oscars??
you're all blinded by american marketing!
haha
"What if there is no tomorrow? there wasn't one today...!"
good question. LOL.
shareSo what...you mean if you're a filmmaker, you'd rather just win a Golden Horse and other Asin Awards, than winning an Oscar?
Listen to this and laugh at yourself: "Hey I've just won a Golden Horse, I'm so happy now I don't give a fxck about the oscar~"
This american award happens to be the highest honor in the film industry. Deal with it.
the golden horse award is a prize for chinese language films (China, Taiwan, Hong Kong ect.).
the oscars is an award only for english language films (USA, UK ect).
the golden palm of cannes is an award for any filmmaker in the world.
the golden lion of venice is an award given to any film maker worldwide.
As a filmmaker I would be happy to win the Golden Palm of Cannes or the Golden Lion of Venice, seen that at these awards you compete WORLDWIDE. And not just limited to some country and have the "special" award for foreign language, if you know what I mean.
but we have to acknowledge that the american marketing machine is the most powerful in the world (not necessarily the best). this is why everybody is convinced that the oscars are so important. if there is one advantage in winning an oscar, it's that your film will get an enormous publicity.
last thing: how come that people on imdb always have to attack each other, making sure that the other is an idiot, ignorant ect? here the same: "deal with it". It's not that I was attacking anyone, as just sharing my opinion. But still people usually try to give some harsh answer back.
and this is just my opinion.
"What if there is no tomorrow? there wasn't one today...!"
first of all, you totally missed my point.
my point was NOT that i think Golden Horse in unimportant or any sort. winning internation awards would definitely makes me feel certified as a filmmaker.
your previous pose seems to stress the point that oscar is "just" a product of the american marketing, which you seem to despite.
So, my point is, since hollywood is in fact dominating the film industry (and that is worldwide), the academy awards is indeed the highest honor that any filmmaker would ever dreamed of achieving.
If the Taiwanese filmmakers agreed with you, then why would they even bother trying to compete for an oscar nomination?
Yes, the oscar is an american market. BUT, it NEVER excludes or rejects those of other nationalities. There are TONS of oscar winning filmmakers and films from other countries (not only in the foreign film category).
and for the record, i never attack unless there's a reason to.
either some threads appear to be offensive (like "oscar is just an american marketing thing", etc), or that people pose resposes that don't make much sense but act like others have to buy whatever they say.
first of all, you totally missed my point.
in my previous post just I wanted to express a disappointment in the fact that people regard the oscars as the *most important* award one could win in the world of cinema. Which, in my opinion, is not.
I believe that any serious filmmaker knows that with awards like the Golden Palm of Cannes or the Golden Lion of Venice you get a more realistic award to your artistic efforts. Of course, nobody will refuse an Oscar, especially the producers, seen that secures a huge amount of publicity. Even I would like to get the attention a filmmaker gets at the Oscars. Everything that glitters is gold, no?
I know the Academy doesn't exclude any country to participate, but any country is allowed to submit *one* film. Last year in Venice, for example, there were *three* japanese films in competition.
but it's all a matter of personal opinion, choice. So don't feel attacked next time. The world is interesting *because* people have different opinions! ;)
I just expressed my opinion, if you like it or not. If you like to start a serious conversation to discuss various aspects of an award, why win it, why not blabla, you're welcome.
PS: I didn't think that saying that "the importance of the oscars is fruit of american marketing" would be offensive! please forgive me!!
"What if there is no tomorrow? there wasn't one today...!"
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just so you know i DO respect your opinion and i find it very acceptable.
still, even with all the international awards out there (golden palm, golden lion, etc), academy awards is the highest achievement in film business, or at least MOST people would say so.
yes, winning international awards can be more "realistic", and of course certify them as filmmakers even more. but think about this analogy: a professional Japanese baseball player, great reputation in Japan, won a lot of prices in international games, but there's one thing he had been dreaming of since he started playing baseball: play in the MBL.
i would say this is pretty much the same as a filmmaker wanting to win an oscar.
like i said, the oscar shows appreciation of foreign films and filmmakers OUTSIDE the foreign film category (it seems that you think i was only talking about that particularly category).
here are some examples:
1982 best picture: Gandhi (from UK & India)
2006 best director: Ang Lee
2007 honorary awards: Annio Morricone (who can't even speak much english)
Yes, the majority of the academy nominated films are from the US, but if other countries are competing so much for a spot in the nomination list, then it means it has some values beyond the achievement they can get from other awards.
to go back to the point of the OP, no, i sincerely think that cape no. 7 does not deserve an oscar nomination.
Haha, seems we do agree somewhere, after all.
Yes. More or less.
Though seldom, there have been rare cases where a *non-english language* film won the oscar for "best film", Gandhi was actually an English language film. (one that pop's up is Benigni with Life is Wonderful, which in my opinion didn't deserve it; or Bertolucci with The last Emperor -but that was also an english language film-; oh well anyhow
I also agree that, though a very enjoyable film, Cape no.7 didn't deserve a nomination.
have a good one ;)
"What if there is no tomorrow? there wasn't one today...!"
its okei but still.. its a great unique film... with great musical and different characters age.. it can be watch by all ages.. even your grandpa or grandma ^_^
shareThe point is we enjoy it and it reflects something about the Taiwanese society, something you might not understand if you didn't grow up in Taiwan or haven't lived in Taiwan. When you write a book you don't write it just to win Nobel or make a film just to win the Oscar. Your purpose could be anything. The purpose they made this film is not to win a prize but to reflect recent problems we have in our society; going for Oscar to them I think is a try, as this has already won many prizes in Asia (and not just in Taiwan).
shareExactly. The point is that we enjoy it. It's not supposed to be a documentary about every aspect of TW culture, nor is it made only for using to win a prize. And I believe that most movies are just that...just made for watching. The point is to enjoy it, and that's all that's really necessary, right?
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