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Why can't crazy just be crazy? (Spoilers)


Um why do they have to label what the girl was? I have borderline personality disorder and am on meds and in therapy for it, but I have never EVER EVER done any of that schitt that the girl has done. Now I understand there are different levels of borderline personality, but other people don't. It's movies like this that make me look bad. If you saw this movie and were an idiot and then met someone with borderline personality, you wouldn't understand that there are degrees of it, thus you would think that I was just as batty as that girl in the movie! Not to mention that I didn't think the movie was good at all and only went to see it for Billy Zane.

I am appaled at the fact that they had to make the girl borderline. It's so stupid and insulting! The point I am trying to make is, why can't crazy just be crazy in movies any more? No one says Jason has borderline! No one says Jigsaw is bipolar....they are just crazy effed up people. Why do things need a label like that? If you were to take a borderline person like me and write the movie The Roommate it would be boring as hell because MOST of us are not psycho weirdos! So please, Hollywood, lets go back to crazy just being crazy and not label it!

~Monica

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haha... agree..

But, it's just a movie.. don't read too much into it..

And more importantly, it's a really stupid movie..

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i totally agree, i have bpd and i find it so offensive that people think that rebecca/girl from single white female could have borderline personality. i mentioned on another thread that people with bpd have high levels of empathy and couldn't ever tumble dry a kitten. rebecca is hollywood psycho and not a real person with a real mental illness!

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Exactly, I have a cat and and a dog. The cat my ex gave me and it was a bad break up. She loved that cat to death and for a while all I could see was her when I looked at him. I still never wanted to, nor could hurt my little Wilson. Now I love him more than ever. I have so much empathy for the people I care about I even got sympathy pains when my sister got surgery! Rebecca is CRAZY plain and simple, don't give her BPD! Even when I'm off my meds I don't act like that!

~Monica

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exactly! like bpd doesn't get a bad rap already! it seems like mental illness is just fair game in movies. they can get away with offensive completely inaccurate portrayals of mental illness in a way they can't with other kinds of things.

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I was under the impression she had schizophrenia, which under the right circumstances is much different than borderline personality disorder.

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well it never exactly says but the movie is based on swf which people have long thought is based on bpd. which is also a crock of *beep* it also wouldn't be an accurate portrayal of schizophrenia either. it's not even the specific illness that bothers me it's the implication that she has some mental illness that is treatable, that plenty of people out there have instead of being criminally insane or something.

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What is "swf?" Where does it say that the movie is based on "swf?" Is this just supposition on your part?

Considering there are various forms of schizophrenia, and that some of them have symptoms which manifest themselves similarly to how the girl acted, I think it's quite plausible that she had schizophrenia.

I'm a little confused by your argument. Some people are just crazy? There are empirical causes for these things, whether they be medical, psychological or otherwise. No one is "just crazy" without some reason for the aberation.

Hell, even psychopathy is considered a personality disorder.

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what i'm actually saying is that it bothers me that they try to give fictional characters mental illness. and swf is single white female. a famous movie and the movie this film is definitely based on. based on the fact that it has the same plot. right down to the cat.

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It bothers you that fictional characters have mental illness? Is there any justifiable reason for the bother?

Maybe you’re just being too sensitive? My father had schizophrenia and I don’t see the problem with this.

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It says at one point in the movie that the drugs she was meant to be on can be used to treat BOTH schizophrenia and BPD.






Born when she kissed me, died when she left me, lived whilst she loved me

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I think the best compromise for a character being both evil and mentally ill is when they described Hannibal Lector in Red Dragon/Manhunter:

"Clinical psychologists call him insane. They don't know what else to call him".

Meaning, Lector is so evil that they are forced to use traditional labels because the depths of his evil can't be measured in normal clinical terms.

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When did they say she had BPD? I saw it was either schizophrenia or bi-polar. I also have BPD so I definitely would have noticed that.

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I totally agree. Not only does it put a label on certain mental illnesses, but it takes away a certain suspense. I thought the movie was OK, but I think it would've been a lot better if she was just simply crazy. Look at Black Swan, the main character was never diagnosed with anything and the movie won awards.

Excuse me, you're a hell of a guy. You know I really got a thing for American guys.

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Define simply crazy. How would you treat simply crazy? If you went to the doctor and he told you that you had back pain, would you be satisfied with that response or would you want to know exactly what was involved? If you saw a psychiatrist and he told you that you were simply crazy would you be content with that or would you want to know precisely what he meant?

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I guess I can see some resemblance to Borderline Personality Disorder, but honestly I thought it seemed a lot like Delusional Disorder (at least compared to other diagnoses). As far as schizophrenia goes, I don't really see it-- maybe it's because I've worked with a lot of individuals who are diagnosed with schizophrenia, but most individuals with schizophrenia are not violent at all. Just my two cents.

"I like weird. I like weird a lot."- Jeremy Sisto, "May"

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I meant if she was just crazy, not actually diagnosed with anything, or at least to our knowledge, simple as that.

Excuse me, you're a hell of a guy. You know I really got a thing for American guys.

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I agree with many who've stated they didn't think she was labeled as having borderline personality disorder; the only thing we were told is that her medication (Zyprexa) is used to treat psychosis related to psychological disorders such as schizophrenia and I'm not sure if they also said bipolar disorder (which IS in fact accurate). And I think the average moviegoer, many who have never seen Single White Female, will never make the leap to think Rebecca has borderline personality disorder, since that diagnosis is not mentioned in the movie.

I really didn't take offense to the reference to Rebecca's illness, and I have mental illness in my family. Why? Because not all people with mental illness have psychosis. I work in the field and have done tons of research, and only in acute depression, schizophrenia, or acute mania do people exhibit psychosis. Psychosis is not a feature of borderline personality disorder.

And of course, not all people who are psychotic are evil, or criminal. As a matter of fact, violence is not common in persons with mental disorder, but some who are, can be extremely violent, just as we see in the entire human population as a whole. I don't think most people are ignorant enough to believe that just because a person has a mental disorder, they will do such horribly evil things as Rebecca does. Just like, when we watched Shine or The Soloist, we will not assume that most people with a mental disorder are all musical prodigies.

People with a mental illness are no different than ANYONE else with any other sort of illness, be it cancer, diabetes, or heart disease.....they can be good or bad, smart or not so smart, kind or evil, pacifists or pathologically violent. I think most people will understand that Rebecca, regardless of her illness and not because of it, is incredibly pathological.

Rather than perpetuating negative stereotypes, I think the movie actually does something positive as far as highlighting that Rebecca is prescibed medication. This tends to give the idea that psychosis is treatable, which it often is. It leads the audience to hold out the hope that WERE she on her prescribed meds, she might have a shot at behaving as a well adjusted young woman. It implies that her condition IS in fact treatable.

I also think that simply stating when a character in a movie has ANY sort mental disorder, and giving it a name, that this is progressive and is anti-stigmatizing, regardless of how that person is portrayed. Because mental illnesses have traditionally been so "hidden" and misunderstood, it is important to combat this by kind of being "out of the closet" about them, and naming them. By your stating "I have borderline personality disorder" and by my stating "In my family there is bipolar disorder, schizoaffective disorder, and clinical depression", we are bringing mental illness to light, which is a very very good thing. It also invites conversations such as this very one, where information is exchanged by people like us who actually live with the illnesses in one form or another can help shed some light on this subject by actually discussing the facts and not perpetuating so many myths. These conversations help dispel those myths.

And yes, absolutely, I do wish there were more movies that portray people that have mental illness would be more realistic and show those who lead pretty ok, well adjusted lives...however, such characters are not usually the ones that most people would enjoy seeing. Maybe one day they can produce more movies insired by real life stories of someone like Catherine Zeta-Jones, who lives with bipolar disorder and so far has not killed kittens, puppies, or humans!

I do absolutely see your point, Monica, however, that The Roommate portrays the mentally ill person in a bad light, and in that sense it IS reinforcing the stereotype that mental illness = messed up psychotic evil person. But I think the difference for how you and I feel about this issue is found in your statement:

If you saw this movie and were an idiot and then met someone with borderline personality, you wouldn't understand that there are degrees of it ....

I don't think most people are idiots, and won't make the wrong assumptions, simply because Rebecca's behavior is so extreme, people will understand that this is one REALLY sick individual and not representative of a typical person with a mental illness (even those that become psychotic!). However, if even ONE person out there at some point has had any kind of combination of delusional/obsessive/psychotic behavior, maybe out of simple (and simple-minded) fear of not acting as the character in this movie did, and they take their meds or seek some sort of help, even as simplistic as such reasoning might be, then at least something good will come out of this movie.





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