I mean, she lacks martial hability, though according to online info she trains (trained) eskrima. Why is it always her?? I personally dislike her acting and "fighting skills" but I try to be open minded. But even so, I don't know why she gets picked ....
Why not Michelle Yeoh or Ziyi Zhang? Michelle does have martial background and better acting and Ziyi, though not a martial artist, makes it seems more realistic and also a better actress.
Thoughts anyone?
Because Michelle Yeoh lacks sex appeal and is older. Ziyi Zhang isn't well-known in the U.S.
They always pick Lucy Liu because she is well-known from the Charlies Angels movies and whatnot. She has name-recognition. Also, her career has gone to *beep* over the past few years and shes currently doing some soon-to-be-cancelled Sherlock Holmes show thats getting murdered in the ratings, so she'll take what she can get.
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Someone's trying to rescue her career then. Cause she doesn't deserve, imho. And when you say, Michelle lacks sex appeal, you mean Lucy has it?... I beg to differ though it's a way to see things.
Still about Michelle, since the character is leader of an assassin or whatever group, I still think she should be someone older. Which would reflect wise course of action. Well I mean, she did pretty well in the most recent movies ^^.
I see your point and I thought of this debate just for the fun of reading other peoples opinions cause the movie is done and there's nothing I can do xD, but still, Lucy Liu not the best choice.
About Ziyi, you say that she's not well-known. Well it's a fact but, when did Tarantino turned to "pic celebrities to get ppl to the movie" guy? I hope he doesn't go down that road. Yeah ok he chose a few "names" for other movies of his but well they all could/can act :P
Do you agree with LL being chosen to the part?
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It's a matter of opinion. Just for the fact that she is (or seems to) strabic, down goes the sex appeal so, sorry. I don't think she applies to "sex appeal" like you say, much less "lot's".
On those times, certain people did lived longer. Maybe you're mistaking with European Medieval Era. And it's not only a question of being a "madame of a whore house"... It's the question of the character being a fighting one.... And 50 doesn't make Michelle a grandma. She's still beautiful and fit.
But anyway, thank you for your opinion.
Oh just one more thing, for the record, lucy and "granny" Michelle are just 6 y/o different
"Home is where the armor is."
Yeah it's a matter of opinion and most people (by far) think Lucy Liu has more sex appeal than Yeoh. Yeoh is now 50! Lucy Liu is getting up there but she's still younger by 6 years and looks 16 years younger than Yeoh.
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You're stupid. Humans thousands of years ago lived just as long as humans do today, it was only the average life expectancy that was diferent due to infant mortality rate, it didn't mean that a living adult could only expect to live to 40. In 1000 bc, people were still dying of old age at 100.
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Well, this is a late response but I find it somewhat amusing that you actually think that you can judge a person's "fighting skills" based on a movie. You do know that everything is choreographed in advanced, right? Did you think Lucy Liu lacked abilities in Kill Bill? What about Uma Thurman?
I also find it humorous that you are actually judging the acting abilities of Lucy Liu based on what seems to be almost exclusively the action films she has been in. I may be wrong, but I am not sure anyone has ever won an acting award for this type of movie, and if someone has, it would be the first I've ever heard of it. I have to say, this again, is showing a deep ignorance on your part about the movie business.
Then you go on to say that you "beg to differ" based on the idea that Lucy Liu has sex appeal. Maybe you are just the type of guy who only likes certain looks and she doesn't fit your tastes, which is fine, but this is the sort of thing that is most definitely based on opinion, and ultimately, you would be in a very small minority based on Lucy Liu's sex appeal.
Finally, I'll just point out what I do to most people like you that I come across. Do you know what suspension of disbelief is? For some reason, people think suspension of disbelief refers to the responsibility of a director, producers and actors to make their stories believable. However, it's actually quite the opposite.
Suspension of disbelief refers to what people who don't have a hair on their ass are capable of doing when watching a movie that you appear not to have.
I could get all psychoanalytical over this however I'll just point out that you are a part of a group of people who are guilty of this and therefore and actually end up delegitimizing your their reliability as any form of movie critic based on the fact that they appear to not even understand why movies exist.
Movies are for entertainment. This is why suspension of disbelief is required in almost every non-documentary (including reality television) film.
People come across your type all of the time and I am surprised you can even enjoy a movie at all, particularly when people like you are watching a movie like "The Dark Knight" and complain about the believability of tiny aspects of the movie and yet have no problem with the fact that a billionaire dresses up in a armored suit and fights crime. It's a joke.
If you can't suspend disbelief for awhile and let yourself just become part of the world that exists inside the movie, you won't have an enjoyable experience, which pertains to action movies like this specifically. You are taking yourself way too seriously and I sort of pity you.
My goodness. You're quite a chatter box, aren't you...
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murdered in the ratings??..not last I heard and it had to deal with the debate bumping the show in it's first week...she's done a ton of good stuff, small little movies, off network tv series, etc...definitely not career dead for sure. I think you're not giving her any props and as for sexuality...at a recent awards show, she rocked in this little form-fitting gown..it's probably even in the database here
sharesorry to bust the soon to be cancelled bubble but her show just got a full season pick up
you have to ask yourself are you a fighter, or are you zombie food
shes currently doing some soon-to-be-cancelled Sherlock Holmes show thats getting murdered in the ratings
You know when you are jealous when you come up with fake sh*t like this. haha
Excuse me while I whip this out.
murdered in the ratings?
that is the biggest lie I have read this week and that's a bold statement as the the presidential election is in a couple of days...
Elementary was ranked 5th this week, got picked up for a full season after the second episode and hasn't had less than TEN million viewers on any one show.... the Presidential debate on all networks at once only got an 11.3... they put up a couple more 10s and they are gonna get a second season before month end...
also, Lucy Liu gets all kinds of work like Southland and various movies as well... saying she hasn't got anything going on is full up crazy.
wake up man!
Michelle Yeoh lacks sex appeal...
That's a sentence I thought I'd NEVER see!
Older maybe yes, but then Lucy Liu and her Charlie's Angels partners are no spring chickens either, yet they still get sexy parts.
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"Elementary" keeps getting high ratings, so I -- and a lot of others -- have no idea what you're talking about!
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"shes currently doing some soon-to-be-cancelled Sherlock Holmes show thats getting murdered in the ratings"
Haha. How stupid does this statement look now? The show has some of the best ratings on network television and was renewed for a second season.
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shes currently doing some soon-to-be-cancelled Sherlock Holmes show thats getting murdered in the ratings, so she'll take what she can get.
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Seriously? You might want to recheck your facts, lol.
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Actually, neither Lucy, Michelle or Ziyi perform actual martial arts onscreen: they do what the Chinese call "acrobatic fighting," that is, imitating martial arts moves. For example, this is what Yu Nan does in "The Expendables 2." It's an acting/performing technique that comes out of the classical Chinese opera tradition, and a good action director can usually train someone in a month or so to look like they've been studying it all their life.
In the upcoming Jackie Chan movie "Chinese Zodiac," Zhang Lanxin, the actress who plays his assistant, is an actual martial arts professional, and was China's national women's taekwondo champion in her weight class. So when you see that, realize that her onscreen moves are the genuine goods.
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AND I'm sue someone saw Lucy in "Kill Bill" and liked her. I know I did.
sharePersonally I wish they'd use Gong Li more. She's not only a terrific actress, she's incredibly beautiful!
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She is well into her 40's & she is still gorgeous. The main reason she isn't employed much in Western films is that her English isn't very good. I understand she's taken language lessons so maybe that will help her get some good parts. Right now she is supposedly cast in the Indian director's next movie - the one who made the Snow White movie with Julia Roberts. What is his name?
shareTarsem Singh. Sorry I couldn't remember his name.
shareI didn't xD. There's lots of asian/asian descendants out there that would kick her off anyday. I think she's overrated
"Home is where the armor is."
Yep I know about that kind of "fighting". Well, anyway, this is not only about can or can't she fight.. It's also about acting and well, I'd rather have Michelle or Ziyi for instance, that Liu. Or Zhang Lanxin, like you pointed out.
"Home is where the armor is."
I think the reasons are clear enough. Liu has more name recognition in North America, she is a bit younger and seen as sexier and certainly sleazier than Michelle at this point (although there are many sexier east asian actresses around) and the ease in which she can be loud, nasty and mean works in this role.
Michelle is certainly a better actress overall. We will see what exactly the role calls for on the screen but it might not be very multi-dimensional and thus all round skills not needed. Ziyi is not at all right for the part. I am sure she could do it but I don't think the audience would buy into her very easily in that role.
Frankly, I'd rather see Michele take the role and make it a more sophisticated one but that is probably asking too much from this script and this production crew. Alternatively, they could have gone with someone else entirely who was not well known. I'd be fine with that too but it wouldn't help to sell the movie. People remember the nasty LL from Kill Bill and plug her in here.
because lucy liu is hot bro. simple as that.
shareLike I've said before, it's a matter of opinion :).
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Opinion is the matter of your question. Your topic here, totally about opinion.
So why do you always try to declined another o-p-i-n-i-o-n from people join your topic and make it more active, instead of leave it die alone in this board.
And your question is What's with Lucy Liu. And >60% answer in this thread says about her sex appeal. So it's at least one of reason from majority. And it's about opinion, of course. Everything you claimd also entitle your opinion.
Because I was expecting something more besides the "sex appeal" argument. Few gave enough facts to support her role. When someone says "it's because she's sexy" I answer like that. If you feel bad about the thread, feel free to browse elsewhere :). But anyway, thank you to share with us your thoughts.
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You want a better argument? Well, she's there because that's who they wanted to cast.
shareNo other Asian actress wants to a splatter pic like this. they'd rather do movies with an intelligent plot and some original ideas: not just more wire fighting and blood.
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That's a good point. I'm not sure if the role was offered to other actresses if at all.
"Home is where the armor is."
I don't think it's fair to say an actress is undeserving a role, especially if it's not even meant to be a superior dramatic masterpiece of a film. Why couldn't she have done the film because she actually was interested in it? Unfortunately for her and other Asian actors, you'll usually fall into a typecast role. I have more of a problem with Jamie Chung being in this movie. Sure, she's hot. But really? She's not even CHINESE. But that's just another example of how the film industry works. Could there have been a better actress for this role? Sure. But Lucy is capable, I'd rather see her.
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I consider the Madame Blossom character more of anti hero character since she seemed like the type of person that had her own agenda but at least she died a hero when sacrificing her life to save the little girl.
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