Pulling Toddler By Arm = Abuse! - The Baby Borrowers (2008) Discussion

[–] cynobite 16 years ago

I agree completely that it was abuse. I was sitting there with my own baby in my arms and my 11-year-old twins sitting beside me, and I was absolutely horrified at the treatment of that child. One of the twins said, "Mom, look at his arm! She's going to rip it off!"

Any jerk knows that you don't pull a child across the floor by his arm. Any jerk knows that you wipe the feces off before you put a diaper back on. Even a small child knows that! How self-centered is this girl? Never mind the completely disrespectful way she talked to her own mother on national television. If she were a child of mine, I'd be looking for some professional help for her, or maybe one of those boot camps for teens that used to be featured on Sally Jesse!

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[–] yogi01 16 years ago

she needs to get help?? lol ru serious?!?!

u need to get out more...

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[–] achope246 16 years ago

I was amazed that those topics weren't even discussed when the parents came to get him!

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[–] joeykeo 16 years ago

Yeah I was shocked the parent didn't go over. And especially that she didn't say anything to her when she came for the baby! Changing him on the carpet was disgusting. But grabbing him by the arm she could have dislocated his arm and no one said anything.

Jo

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[–] deepwound 16 years ago

Maybe the parents did say something in evaluation but it wasn't aired. I seriously doubt they air the entire evaluation, there's just not enough time to air everything. But I agree completely, I was shocked when I saw her pulling him by the arm and I was also surprised that none of the other teens present said anything to her.

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[–] achope246 16 years ago

I agree with rmcrae. A big deal should have been made of it - and it should have been shown on TV. The point of this is for teens to learn!

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[–] bailey96 16 years ago

if the parents were angry enough to call it abuse there is no way they would air it, that would stick with the teenager for quite some time and i'm quite certain that at least one of the teenagers parents was smart enough to have hired a lawyer to look over contracts, there has to be some clause about showing incidents that could haunt the teenagers public and private lives or have them facing possible charges. to call it abuse publicly could absolutely result in a suit of some kind, we are a litigious society after all and the situation is right there on tape, they wouldn't have shown the incident at all if the show and it's producers weren't legally protected and taken steps to protect all parties involved.

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[–] KricketSC80 16 years ago

Now I agree with the most part about everything all the posters had to say from the pulling of the child's arm to the not wiping after changing, but the only one I disagree with is the changing the diapers on the carpet being disgusting. Now her doing at the other couples house is digusting and very rude, but if it had happened at her own house, I don't see anything wrong with it especially since any parent can tell you that you can change a child's diaper just about anywhere if the need comes to it. I've changed my son's diaper on the trunk of my car on the side of the road once! You do not need a changing table to change a toddler since most toddlers are too big them.

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[–] milliondollarbaby1213 16 years ago

No but you should at least put a mat down, or the plastic cover that is about $2.99 and can be cleaned and reused. Not just for the cleanness of the carpet but for the hygiene of the child. There's no need to have their little naked bum up against the carpet where people's feet are, where bugs at times crawl, and where dirt/dust/hair all buildup. Trapping any of that in a clammy diaper with a rambunctious toddler is not my idea of clean. Besides the fact that she didn't wipe him, its obvious that she just really didn't care enough to take the time and do it right.

Also she was having too much fun and horsing around, acting more like his sister than his mother. I thought for a minute she was drunk!

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[–] b_michelle718 16 years ago

she deserved a big kick in the ass for that, if i was her mother i would hit her on national television for her acting like that then maybe she would learn... and it would be entertainment at the same time. Kids are never too old to get a good spanking! :)

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[–] pianocellolove 16 years ago

I was surprised that even though the real mother of the toddler mentioned this to her husband while their child was being pulled, they never brought it up during the final discussion.
That was pretty bad. The teen needed to know that it was irresponsible and unsafe behavior towards any child.

PCL

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[–] OddBallin 16 years ago

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[–] teen_tragedy 16 years ago

I didn't think it was that big of a deal... The toddler didn't even cry, so he obviously wasn't hurt. I agree that the wiping thing was really bad, but still.

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[–] Stellrmn 16 years ago

i agree. i was horrified at the lack of reaction by the other participants and the parents. if that had been my kid i would've been in that house yelling at her and taking my kid back before she even had a chance to open her mouth. how could such a bafoon think that was alright? let alone on national tv so ridiculous. the diaper part was just added insult.

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[–] achope246 16 years ago

teentragedy, do you know how easy it is to dislocate a toddler's shoulder or elbow?? Dislocated elbows are a very common injury at that age.

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[–] MissLong 16 years ago

Calm down. She wasn't pulling him by the arm as a form of PUNISHMENT. She was trying to change his dirty diaper. She was totally laughing and kidding around. I'm sure she didn't mean to hurt the kid and obviously, since the kid wasn't crying, he wasn't hurt! So how is it abuse?? It's not something a parent should do, but it happened. I'm sure she's learned her lesson and won't do it again.

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[–] yowigginz 16 years ago

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Calm down. She wasn't pulling him by the arm as a form of PUNISHMENT. She was trying to change his dirty diaper. She was totally laughing and kidding around. I'm sure she didn't mean to hurt the kid and obviously, since the kid wasn't crying, he wasn't hurt! So how is it abuse?? It's not something a parent should do, but it happened. I'm sure she's learned her lesson and won't do it again.
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Ok Miss Long, so I guess if you have a child and your sitter is pulling him across the floor by the arm while they're playing and it accidentally gets dislocated then you'll be ok with it right? Yeah right! Explain that one to child protective services!

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[–] MissLong 16 years ago

No, I wouldn't be "ok with it". But I wouldn't be quick to call it "abuse".

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[–] yowigginz 16 years ago

Yeah maybe you wouldnt call it abuse but CPS would!
About 15 yrs ago when my younger twin was at the sitter he was in a walker, back when walkers had wheels, and it caught on the rug and turn over with him in it. He broke his collarbone and my sitter felt horrible about it. I knew her for a really long time- an older lady in her 60's and knew it had to be an accident and never would call it abuse. But at the doctor's office they questioned me so much about it I was scared they were going to take my son away so thats why innocently pulling a kids arm across the floor may not be intentional but what about what would happen to the parents when they had to explain why the arm got dislocated??
Think about it.

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[–] bailey96 16 years ago

as someone who works closely with child protective services i can tell ya it is abuse and CPS would be called to investigate if the child presented at a doc's office or the emergency room for a dislocated shoulder

what it isn't is a pattern of abuse or intentional abuse and what would more than likely happen is that the "parent" would be required to take a parenting class.

child protective services doesn't have the luxury of NOT labeling it abuse

i've seen CPS cases initiated for a lot less. i understand you don't like the label because of it's implications but the intent of the parent isn't the primary issue,

the action by the parent could have potentially resulted in an injury to the child

being normal is not necessarily a virtue... It rather denotes a lack of courage!

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[–] deckzone3000 16 years ago

Whinners. The kid was in no more danger than jumping around playing.

as someone who works closely with child protective services i can tell ya it is abuse and CPS would be called to investigate if the child presented at a doc's office or the emergency room for a dislocated shoulder

You're wrong there.

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[–] achope246 16 years ago

deckzone, I don't care what you say about it not being any more dangerous than "jumping around" to pull a child around like that. The ligament that goes from their forearm into their elbow is extremely elastic, so it allows the elbow to pop out of the socket. My oldest daughter (six at the time) was in a tube slide in the McDonalds play area and was trying to get my youngest (just turned 2) into the slide with her. She wasn't even pulling her hard or anything, so it's VERY easy to do at that age. We had to go to the ER, and I was scared for two weeks that I was going to get a visit from CPS. They WERE just playing, but it is a serious injury that can cause orthopedic problems in the future.

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[–] bailey96 16 years ago

it is easy to do and there are probably several reasons why you didn't get a visit from cps or social services including: you have more than one child and i'm certain they were well dressed, groomed, and had no other marks on them or other injuries, i am quite certain that they looked if they were doing their jobs (although they might not have been obvious about it), i'm also confident that you appeared sufficiently worried and were comforting and finally i'm guessing that you weren't a teen parent at the time.

but walk into any er as a teen parent with that particular injury or any number of other injuries and you will be under a microscope

i live in dc and our social services department and all mandated reporters are under a microscope these days since bonita jacks, there's little chance that if morgan (is that the teen mom's name) brought the kid to the er with a dislocated shoulder that she'd walk out without having talked to a social worker or someone with child protective services.

being normal is not necessarily a virtue... It rather denotes a lack of courage!

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[–] achope246 16 years ago

*sigh* Why do I even bother? It won't happen in every instance, but it sometimes does, so it's better NOT to do things that cause it. For example, pulling the kids around, lifting them up or swinging them by their hands, etc. Since it happened to my daughter, we have to be extremely careful about how she plays or how we lift her and things like that to make sure that it doesn't happen again. She is more susceptible now that it's happened once. It was a very painful and stressful situation for her, and stressful for me. Why possibly put a child through that?

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[–] deckzone3000 16 years ago

Why possibly put a child through that?

They wont remember it anyway.

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[–] allknowingbroad 16 years ago

as someone who works closely with child protective services i can tell ya it is abuse and CPS would be called to investigate if the child presented at a doc's office or the emergency room for a dislocated shoulder

Just say to Obama.

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