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intense religious themes at end ruin this decent comedy


i was misled thinking this was going to be a campy "make fun of armageddon movie" but instead it actually IS an armageddon movie after mostly as a comedian buddy movie. the last 1/3 of the movie turns into a fanatical christian tale of who gets to heaven. there is no joke about it, it's treated real and it doesn't fit the movie at all. the sacrifice instant access to heaven *beep* it just makes a turn into blatant propaganda for the church after a halfway decent flick that i got some chuckles from. its good to see other threads also mentioning how this is despicable. hollywood is special needs shortbus challenged.

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"They werent' using "intense religious themes"


What does that even mean? What is "intense religious themes" in context of the movie?




there is no joke about it, it's treated real and it doesn't fit the movie at all.



Come back when you actually watch the movie. This thread just screams atheist butt hurt



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How has 'serialcinema' demonstrated an "atheist butt-hurt" attitude?

I tend to agree that this film is a sore attempt at christian propaganda and I will say that it's pretty pathetic as this film is quite stupid.

Looks good on the church.

Also, no, (assuming you're a christian of one of the tens of thousands of different flavours) it's usually you people who come across as butt-hurt as I've experienced thousands of times in my YouTube travels over the years.

It really is pathetic, many of you get upset that we don't believe when it's the common public and political behaviours of christians that make it difficult for us to have faith aside from not having a reason to.

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How has 'serialcinema' demonstrated an "atheist butt-hurt" attitude?

I tend to agree that this film is a sore attempt at christian propaganda and I will say that it's pretty pathetic as this film is quite stupid.

Looks good on the church.

Also, no, (assuming you're a christian of one of the tens of thousands of different flavours) it's usually you people who come across as butt-hurt as I've experienced thousands of times in my YouTube travels over the years.

It really is pathetic, many of you get upset that we don't believe when it's the common public and political behaviours of christians that make it difficult for us to have faith aside from not having a reason to.




It's funny that hypocrites like this clown don't see how they are just as preachy, if not more so, than the Christians they complain about so much.

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How was I preachy?

Btw, calling me both a hypocrite and a clown does nothing for you.

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Why is it that the atheist is always the intelligent party in a conversation? I wonder.....

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What? What did I say that was less than intelligent?

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Nothing.

Why is it that the atheist is always the intelligent party in a conversation?


I was actually saying that your arguments (and those of the OP) were sensible, while those of the religious apologist(s) on this thread were not.

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Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic. My apologies.

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A combination of confirmation bias and an inflated sense of your own intelligence, I'd imagine.

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If you genuinely think that that is the case, I pity you. You are either a fool or wilfully blind. There are a lot of dumb Christians, particularly in the USA, but also a lot of dumb atheists. You are apparently one of them.

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I'm sorry, but I just had to laugh when I read "christian propaganda". Isn't like 99.9% of the cast and crew of this movie Jewish???

but anyway, why read more into this movie than is necessary. It's a funny flick that makes fun of the end of days...and I'm assuming that they used the Christian-end-of-days sequence, because it's the most well-known of all end-of-days type stories.

The movie is funny, let's just leave it at that.

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Ok, if we're incorrect about this being christian propaganda, fair enough, but no, this movie was not funny.

The fact that so many find today's excuses for comedies humourous, I realize that we aren't far from the extremes we saw in "Idiocracy".

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First, I'm an atheist and I freaking loved this movie. Secondly, you making these mass judgments about everyone, calling it a Christian propaganda movie, and then going on about the dumbing-down of society and societal collapse not only shows you are just as judgmental and irrational as some of the worst, tea-baggy Christians out there.

Nice name, btw. Do you include yourself in it?

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Same.

It is pretty funny that you can view that movie as religious propaganda.
I'm an atheist of the Dawkins school and I loved the movie.

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I'm Atheist and loved the move also....

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I even got a little misty when the "holy beam" saved Seth and "decapitated" Satan

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You are a hypocrite judging Christians to be tea-baggy, haha. I've seen Athiests post more sacreligious *beep* than anybody else.

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I tried to quote your post but all that came up was "WWAAAAAAHHHHH!!!"

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Nice comment. I am surprised this hasn't reached cult hit status.... I thought it was phenomenal. Thought it was light and non judgmental comedy

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You can't expect rational thoughts from these morons...

"I see you as a dunce but I haven't said it once"

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but anyway, why read more into this movie than is necessary. It's a funny flick that makes fun of the end of days...and I'm assuming that they used the Christian-end-of-days sequence, because it's the most well-known of all end-of-days type stories.

The movie is funny, let's just leave it at that. [👀]


Well said! As a person who doesn't give a s*it about which set of beliefs is the correct one, I couldn't agree more. People are becoming increasingly intolerant towards religious themes and imaginary, even when we are talking about fictional themes and imaginary. It is hard for me to understand what exactly is the point behind this anger. You can't really be surprised that we have religious themes and imaginary involved in the western storytelling culture? In fact, the entire traditional good guys vs. bad guys theme originates from christianity - the whole thing originates from the "we need to decide who is worthy to go to heaven and who is not" -type of attitude. That's why the Asian storytelling tradition is not so fixed on who's good and who's bad: their religious traditions concentrated on other subjects. Now, does this mean all superhero movies are hidiously horrible because they contain a secret christian message? Of course not! THey are all hidiously horrible for completely different reasons.

Wether you like it or not, religious themes are a part of the Western culture (in fact they are a part of all cultures) and there is absolutely no point whatsoever in getting hurt every time someone tells a story that has an armageddon / a Heaven or a Paradise of some sort / Hell / Nirvana / etc. It's just a story, for Darwin's sake!

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christian propaganda

Oh my god really? Yeah, Jonah Hill is inserting christian propaganda into his movies. Hold on while I finish laughing.

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Absolutely. You are right. I believe you have also clearly and articulately addressed the notion of evidence through "youtube travels" because if anything, Youtube is a bastian of fair balanced and rational perspectives of the outside world.

After watching Youtube I believe we can all dance brilliantly and it feels great and I also believe certain diets and political views are brilliant because Youtube said so. I also agree that an old man abusing and insulting religions on thousands of stages around the world isn't manipulating the weak minded through Youtube and really does have a point. Even though his views are challenged aggressively by actual science and on a humanist and humane level he insults everyone from women to other nationalities to perfectly acceptable ways of life.

Yes, Youtube. Brilliant.

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Since the film is made by Jews, mostly acted by Jews, and relies largely on vulgar and basement-level Jewish "humour", I doubt that there is any Christian propaganda involved.

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Well, I've changed a lot since '13, as I've found psychology to be the best way to perceive the world (free and hate, anger and fascism and focused on problem identification/solving through analysis)-Which means 'PeopleSuckPeriod' is no longer appropriate for me... With all of the christian films being produced (Sorbo, Cameron, etc.), people can't really be blamed for calling this propaganda, although, Seth and Jonah are comedians, so I don't know.

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Uh most of the actors in the film and writers are Jewish...

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What's your point?

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They were making fun of Christianity. Jews don't believe in the rapture or didn't you know that?

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Buddy, I've stopped paying attention to this a long time ago. Who cares!

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I'm not your buddy, pal!

Seriously though, you asked me my point not too long ago so I responded. YOu responded to me when I was responding to the OP.

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Get over it.

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Haven't changed being a dick since '13 i see. GO away

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"Haven't changed being a dick since '13 i see. GO away"

Statement without explanation fallacy.

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'athiest butt hurt' funny!....cuz it's true

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I don't really see why this is a problem. Just because the religious concepts were treated as real in this movie doesn't make it a bad movie. I don't really understand why people get so upset when movies have religious, atheist themes, etch...and treat them as real or the right thing for the characters in a movie. There are so many different opinions, beliefs, etc...in the world, why wouldn't there be many movies with these beliefs/opinions as the main theme?

Some movies state or set forth a "belief" that religion is not real and is not the way to go. Some movies do. So what? Why does that make a movie any less enjoyable? I'm a Christian andI can watch movies with anti-religion themes (Red State…though that wasn't a great movie, I wish it was better cauz I find the idea interesting) and enjoy them. And honestly, I think they made the rapture and Christian belief real as something a bit ironic and ridiculous in the context of the movie, its supposed to be surprising of the characters.

And, really, none of those guys became "Christian", they just became a little less a**holish. And I think the reason they put in the "sucked up to heaven" thing was so that our characters can have a happy ending. Whats the next logical step for a movie about characters in "The Rapture/Apocalypse"? Either Heaven or Hell, and when they got sucked up to Heaven it was kinda cheesey (which I think was on purpose). And clearly Heaven was not the Heaven that Christians believe in, it was just another party with girls in bikinis. So I really don't think we're meant to take the movie seriously.

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because some people are *beep* lazy and useless human beings...i.e. OP.

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1. Religion does not belong in the media or anywhere in the secular public. Only in the church.

2. Life is not for you to enjoy, as a self-prclaimed christian.

As for christians not believing in the heaven portrayed in this film, well, that's another thing-You so-called christians treat this religion like it's yours to pick and choose from.

Christianity is not there for any of you, it is an institution claiming to be a truth which expects alot of its adherents. Yet, we're the sinners...

If the church enforced god's laws, it would lose its power because nobody would want it.

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Wow, you're as bad, if not worse, than the religious people you think you're better than.

This is why people can't stand hypocrite "New Atheists."

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"Wow, you're as bad, if not worse, than the religious people you think you're better than.

This is why people can't stand hypocrite "New Atheists.""

Yeah, you just put me right in my place here, such a brilliant refutation of what I said, congratulations!

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Yup somebody got real hurt by Christianity and is now on the warpath of revenge. Religion has been in the media since there has been a media. Remember the movie "The Ten Commandments"? It was in every secular movie theatre in the country. And it belonged there.

I think I am taking all of this rather well.

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"1. Religion does not belong in the media or anywhere in the secular public. Only in the church."

That's an incredibly silly thing to say. For one thing, the media is not "secular". It has no obligation to be. The media's purpose is to reflect life, and religious people exist in the real world. To suggest that only your particular ideology should be represented in film is not only close-minded and silly, but arrogant as well. There are films with atheist themes, films with religious themes, and films which have no themes regarding God and/or the afterlife at all. That's exactly the way it should be.

"2. Life is not for you to enjoy, as a self-prclaimed christian.

As for christians not believing in the heaven portrayed in this film, well, that's another thing-You so-called christians treat this religion like it's yours to pick and choose from.

Christianity is not there for any of you, it is an institution claiming to be a truth which expects alot of its adherents. Yet, we're the sinners...

If the church enforced god's laws, it would lose its power because nobody would want it."

None of this has anything to do with the movie, which just goes to show that you criticisms are entirely based on your bias against religion. When you're an adult, you generally learn to accept that people have different views from you. For example, I'm not an environmentalist. I think the whole green movement is largely pointless and an immoral colossal waste of money. That doesn't mean that I automatically hate every movie with an environmentalist message. I loved The East and thought The Lorax was cute. I don't need to agree with the politics/beliefs to be able to enjoy a good movie.

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"the media is not "secular"

-Well, it certainly isn't divine.

"To suggest that only your particular ideology should be represented in film"

-What ideology are you referring to?

"There are films with atheist themes"

-You mean *secular* themes...

"films with religious themes"

The glorification of god belongs in church. Christianity is also known for propaganda while god has given man free will to either have faith or to not.

"your bias against religion"

I don't have a bias against religion, I simply recognize that religious based beliefs cause social distortions/divisions as people call themselves christians or muslims, etc. for psychological reasons.

These people often convict us atheists as sinners and threaten us to repent or burn eternally while they're really no different from us with the exception of whatever aspects of the religion they actually apply to their lives (church attendance for example). Not to mention the hate and fear mongering they promote in public.

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it's simple, don't watch the damn movie

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I don't really see why this is a problem. Just because the religious concepts were treated as real in this movie doesn't make it a bad movie. I don't really understand why people get so upset when movies have religious, atheist themes, etch...and treat them as real or the right thing for the characters in a movie. There are so many different opinions, beliefs, etc...in the world, why wouldn't there be many movies with these beliefs/opinions as the main theme?

Some movies state or set forth a "belief" that religion is not real and is not the way to go. Some movies do. So what?



^This. Very objective and rational reply.


I gotta say, this movie was balls-to-the-wall FUNNY in an irreverent, daring way. It was interesting to see serious theological concepts being placed in such an off-beat manner. I really liked it and thought it HYSTERICAL, especially the whole 'possessed Jonah Hill' bit, LOL.

I'm frankly getting tired of BOTH sides of the religious vs. non-religious debate taking themselves too damn seriously. Me, while I don't much believe in or trust modern organized religion anymore and cannot stand fundamentalists, I believe in God & His existence and don't feel there's anything 'taboo' about exploring various spiritual concepts and beliefs in popular media. I don't like fanaticism of any kind, whether it's religious or non-religious fanaticism.


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Very well put, I get sick of people on both sides of the spectrum as well. Extreme believers, and non believers, blow everything out of proportion. All I know is that many people throughout the world have some sort of faith, and call it God, call it Allah, call it whatever, but many believe in a higher power, greater than ourselves. I for one am not arrogant enough to say that religion is for stupid people, like non believers seem too.

I do find it funny how the people who complain about movies like this, are non believers, which is funny because if they don't believe in it, why do they get upset over it. Really, why do they care? If they don't believe, nothing in the movie should affect them anyways. Honestly this movie made fun of many religious ideas too, and I wasn't offended, I just laughed and kept watching, because after all it's only a movie.

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yes, yes and yes.

Everything you're saying should be obvious to everyone.

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Intense propaganda for the church? You know all of these guys are Jewish right?

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I thought the semi-pseudo-Christian message was refreshing coming from atheistic, pagan owls and Masonic pyramids and eye-balls hidden in every movie, devil worshiping Hollywood. Maybe they're trying to tell us something.

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@DoughWilliams88atheistic, pagan owls?

You realize atheism and paganism are completely different right? lol!

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That doesn't stop Hollywood from advocating both.

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To be fair, I find it a bit offensive that you have a problem with Paganism.

Why does it matter to you what other people believe in? Why can't you, as a good Christian or whatever you are, just leave other religions alone?

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Because Jesus said: You are either with me or against me.

So, if you're not a Christian, then you're an anti-Christian. And when some movies stop preaching Christianity and start portraying gay behavior, Paganism, or any other of the alternatives to the dogma, Christians begin feeling persecuted.

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Sertorius_72 said:

Because Jesus said: You are either with me or against me.



Please quote the Bible verse supporting that claim.





Some things you just can't ride around...

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DougWilliams88 said: I thought the semi-pseudo-Christian message was refreshing coming from atheistic, pagan owls and Masonic pyramids and eye-balls hidden in every movie, devil worshiping Hollywood. Maybe they're trying to tell us something.


I agree completely.

"Hey, I'll be a part of this world."

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"the last 1/3 of the movie turns into a fanatical christian tale of who gets to heaven. there is no joke about it, it's treated real and it doesn't fit the movie at all. the sacrifice instant access to heaven *beep* it just makes a turn into blatant propaganda for the church after a halfway decent flick that i got some chuckles from."


perhaps you didn't notice the biblical themes from the previous 2/3 of the film like the rapture, the ground opening up to swallow the sinners, the fires of damnation, the demons, the tribulations. the Christian themes started early.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain (Isaac Asimov)

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perhaps you didn't notice the biblical themes from the previous 2/3 of the film like the rapture, the ground opening up to swallow the sinners, the fires of damnation, the demons, the tribulations. the Christian themes started early.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain (Isaac Asimov)



In which the movie didn't really take itseldf seriously about.

I mean james franco trash talking while going up to heaven then immediately being cast down again...


Doing drugs and alcohol in heaven and then having backstreet boys perform?


Those are definitely some serious and intense religious themes


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I can't believe it took this long for anyone to bring up that the religious parts of this movie were a joke.

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I have been scrolling down this thread looking for someone to say something like that lol.

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What "Christian" themes? The movie is making fun of Christianity. It was made by an almost entirely Jewish cast, Jewish writers and Jewish directors. Damn some people are thick.

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Myself I am an atheist and I love it and yes this guy is an atheist who makes the rest of us look bad.

And a troll....

Just ignore..

Smoke a bowl and let's get high and go to heaven!

HAHAHAHAA

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sorry no atheist or troll action here, just someone who was disgusted at the "go to heaven if you sacrifice yourself" because if you look at this from a different angle it is not much different from the fanatics with the box cutters on those 2 planes.

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You're disgusted by "intense religious themes" that say you can gain entrance to heaven by comically sacrifice yourself, and spend eternity there partying and smoking?

How interesting.

But seriously, let's assume for a moment that this is not an incredibly irreverent and blasphemous movie, and even assume the movie is actually advocating a modified version of christianity where self sacrifice is a free ticket to heaven. You find this disgusting? Seriously? I'm assuming you also find Life of Brian to display "disgusting" "religious themes," and probably The Blues Brothers. And Thor, and Percy Jackson, and Raging Bull, and Narnia, and It's a Wonderful Life, just to name a few.

Finding religious themes disgusting sure narrows your choices for good films.

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I'm an Atheist, but I didn't have a problem with this, because its message about passage into heaven is actually very different than the Christian idea. In this movie, good deeds got them into Heaven. In Christianity, it's acceptance and worship of Christ which gets you into Heaven, and deeds are largely irrelevant. So in that sense, it was kind of anti-Christian.

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Wrong, merely accepting Christ is a Protestant belief beginning about 500 years ago.

Getting to Heaven by Faith and Good Works is the 2000 year old Christian Doctrine.

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And both of them are nothing but silly modern thoughts compared to the lifespan of the human race so far. (Approx 100.000 years).

Wonder how long we still have to go before we grow out of this religion idea. Hopefully not too long..

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Except they were killing hundreds of innocent people instead of saving their friends...so it is nothing like that.

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I understand where you're coming from, but you do realize this movie was a comedy, right? They were poking fun at everything in the movie. Everything, even themselves.
When most people think of the apocalypse, they think of the rapture. The directors were playing off that and quite frankly, I can't imagine a better plot line for them to go with.
I am someone who is not religious in any way and I enjoyed the film immensely. Why? Because I didn't focus on the heaven and hell thing. I focused on the comedy in the movie and the great chemistry the actors had with one another.
Have you seen Bruce Almighty? Did you enjoy watching it? If so, then why didn't watching that movie bother you as much as watching this one?

I guess what I'm saying is that while some movies may have a religious aspect to them, you shouldn't let it ruin the movie for you. Try to be more open minded. You might enjoy life more that way.

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Good post, yeah....

OWNED.

No matter what religion we are we seem to not be bothered by the themes because we arent closeminded...

FUNNY YOU MENTION THE BOXCUTTERS on airplanes because yeah I think alot of religions are just are crazy as that especially if you are a fantatic!

Christianity or Muslim or etc all can be just as bad and kills as many people and starts tons of wars!

IF THE THOUGHT OF SELF SACARIFICE GRANTING YOU A HALL PASS TO HEAVEN TO BLAZE in a RATED R COMEDY MOVIE LIKE STATED HAHAHAAH, btw what religion are you OP? LOL

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Since the 1950's and early 1960's there has not been anything remotely Christian in cinema till this day and that includes to a large extent to this movie.

And I purposefully disregard the low budget tv movies / direct to dvd projects actually done by Christian movements. Those are not mainstream Hollywood productions.

There is the idiot Tyler Perry with his completely ridiculous (and not in a good, wholesome, funny way) transvestite act and maybe a reference here and there to the church.

So I'm at a situation where it seems that in excess of 98% of all mainstream films out there, made after 1965, there isn't one iota of Christendom to be found anywhere near those projects. This doesn't bother me. What does bother me is, that there are people that have the nerve, when one of these 1-2% of films shows anything Christian (and I'm not saying this movie does that, because it really doesn't) to foul mouth everything and everyone and claim some Christian conspiracy.

Why?

More than 98% of the movies out there are explicitly atheistic. If there is a conspiracy (and I'm not trying to argue that), it is an atheist conspiracy to rule out religion in general and Christianity specifically. There is more validation for that idea than the opposite of that.

I'm getting sick and tired of the foul mouth movement, that seems to say, that everything that ever went wrong in the world, is the fault of religious people in general and Jewish and Christian people specifically.

Plus what's wrong with 1% Christian themes in cinema? In America 70% calls themselves Christians, with 63% of that being churchgoers. That makes 44% of America practicing Christian (included all denominations). So when there would be an equal balance and an actual statistics based distribution in thematics - at least of drama films and maybe romantic comedies, 44% would be Christian themed. I'm not saying that should be the case. But when you're out foul-mouthing everything religious, just remember that atheism won the movie going public over already, no need to overdo it.


And more so..

In my daily practice, atheism is more likely force fed down my throat then, say Christianity, is.

Me and my coworker were freely discussing religion at the water cooler the other day, being laid-back. Someone overheard us and came to us, half angry, that we were being bible-thumpers and that he was sick and tired of overhearing religious speak. We were nothing of the kind. It was a light-hearted conversation. But he kept raving on about how Christians killed half the Mediterranean in the Crusades and Muslims killed 5000 people on 9/11.

And some time ago, someone asked me what religion I was. As soon as I answered he was up in my face - blaming me for everything that's wrong in the world.

People do not have to agree. But when atheists DEMAND free speech and being left alone - they are not concerned with that rule themselves. When an atheist is free, so is a religious person.




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Well said. It's amazing how America has gone from a place where there was supposedly freedom of religion to a place where you are not allowed to say or do anything Christian unless you are in church on Sunday morning.

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and also clap to the post you were praising.

It was so refreshing for me to see a movie that actually had a basically religious moral at the end. I mean -- it was promoting people being good, genuine and self-sacrificial. Why is that bad, anyway?

And it's not like the way they got into heaven was to convert to Christianity or any specific religion. It was just to be good, genuinely good, putting others first, etc. Basic GOOD morals I don't think anyone would argue with (unless you're Machiavelli or something)

And it's funny that someone's complaining about religion being in a movie about the apocalypse as explained in the Bible. What did you expect lol.

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Except this movie had no religious message. No one in a position of power on this movie as I have pointed out numerous times was Christian. They were almost all Jews and some were agnostic.

Read the post I replied to the post you were applauding, Christian praising is all over the freaking media, Time, Newsweek, Cable Channels, they all talk about how great Christianity is. VERY few people criticize it openly in mainstream press.

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"Not allowed?" You are allowed to SAY anything you want in a water cooler conversation. Free speech. And random dickheads are allowed to say anything back to you, including get all up in your face regarding your religion. (If that's going on at work I would hope your employer would stomp down on that though.) An axiom of polite conversation for a long time has been to avoid religion and politics... not because it's "not allowed," but because it's prudent if you want to maintain a calm social environment. There are some people who live in places where their religions really are not allowed. The US is not on of those places.

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That's such crap. 70% of the U.S. is Christian and almost everywhere you go Christianity is applauded. I live in liberal as hell California and all you here all day long in some places (and not just church) is "Jesus this" and "Jesus that." Christianity is spoken about more today than almost ever. There's no war on Christianity and the only people that think there is is Christians. There are exactly three shows on TV that are critical of Christianity: South Park, Family Guy, and Bill Maher. Maybe to a lesser extent Last Week Tonight, other than that Christianity is praised all over the Tube. The media is loaded with stories about Christianity, Time Magazine and Newsweek do more stories on Jesus than anything else, the "History" channel does more stories on Jesus than anything except Hitler, and CNN, FOx News and even MSNBC do stories on how great Christianity is all the time.

You're full of *beep* and you know it.

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"In my daily practice, atheism is more likely force fed down my throat then, say Christianity, is."

I agree, it is hard out there for christians these days. But fret not, things are getting better every day. I'm sure one day, a christian could even become president. Maybe even, you know, like 40 something times in a row.

It does get annoying answering the door and having those atheists trying to tell you about their lack of beliefs, giving you literature about evolution and how when you die, nothing happens. Those damn door to door atheists.

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Or how about a day when atheists are content to disbelieve without harrassing and insulting others for what they believe? That would be nice.

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Oh poor you! Do 14 year old atheist kiddies on the internet upset you that much? How about you go see what Christians outside of America and Europe have to deal with, might put things in a little perspective for you.

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My point was that their reasoning is hypocritical because they are guilty of bigotry themselves, so you can drop the childish smugness. Hypocritical anti theists are quite common and easy to deal with. Yes, I'm aware of serious Christian persecution that somehow these self proclaimed valiant and oh so intellectual anti theists seem to care nothing about. My original point was that their reasoning is hypocritical because they are guilty of bigotry themselves.

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How am I, for example, a bigot for being an atheist and telling people about how my way is better?

I have Jehovas at my door, random hare-krishnas stopping me in the street and on the train stations, scientology centers in all major cities, bible stores, churches etc. There's all these horribly misguided people EVERYWHERE.

Why am I a bigot for telling them all to grow the *beep* up and stop that religion-nonsense once and for all so we, as a race, can move on to better things. We really should, we've wasted 3000 years of evolution due to religion now, and look where it's gotten us - absolutely NOWHERE.

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The reason you would be bigoted is because you have "an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others." This classification of you has NOTHING to do with others. Those people pushing their religion may be bigoted, but that doesn't give you a free pass to be bigoted back to others.

There's all these horribly misguided people EVERYWHERE.


So, you say that they are misguided, which is absolutely right, but then you say this:

We really should, we've wasted 3000 years of evolution due to religion now, and look where it's gotten us - absolutely NOWHERE.


how is that not completely misguided? You seem to think that because we have religion in this world that somehow that means that all of our technological advances and cultural advances have gotten us nowhere. You are looking at the problem of religion (and the whole of religion isn't the problem, only parts of it...otherwise religion can be very beneficial in the lives of people who don't care how the world or even their mind works) and you are painting it over the entirety of the world as if nothing else matters because religion still exists.

We, as humans, have accomplished so much in the past 3,000 years, and we have ALWAYS accomplished it beside religion. Religion, when practiced with a deep understanding of balance, can be the most important tool in someone's life for being happy and for exploring our spiritual side. (you, as an atheist, can simply see spirituality as a sort of sync between one's thoughts, feelings, and their reactions to the outside world...and how can that not be important?)

Now back to the movie:

Whoever the hell thinks this movie is somehow TRULY religious is joking themselves. The rapture is a joke, it is a complete farce of the bible, meant only to produce an AWESOME environment for the movie. I think that the movie was awesome, and I do not hold for or against religion. I understand both sides of the argument, and I don't see how this could offend anyone. I loved that comment about it being christian propaganda by the way, especially since they made it very clear that many of them were JEWISH as others pointed out. Did anyone hear a mention of Jesus in the entire movie? Neither did I.

I love how the internet is literally at everyone's fingertips, and still people can make ignorant statements. Do your research when you talk about something, it takes maybe 1 or 2 minutes! And if you are too lazy to, then don't post at all and save your ignorance for someone that will listen to it.

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That would be nice. It would be nice for atheists not to be harassed or insulted, too. Shall we try that for a while?

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Very well said. Militant atheists are some of the most hateful and closed minded people you'll find. Not all atheists are like this. They have a very Stalinesque mindset and don't realize it.

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I have a simple rule.

I won't start a debate on religion, but if you talk to me about yours, I WILL tell you about my opinion, and I WILL throw all the punches I can at your religion.

Your religion, and opinions about it, are between you and whatever deity you've chosen. I don't care about it until you start talking to others about it. Religion is a personal thing, an intimate personal choice that should not be shared with other people than those closest to you.

Based on that attitude, all sorts of organized religion, holy buildings, signs of faith (beards, crosses, weird hats, fancy garments or whatever) should be illegal worldwide.


That's the only way you'd ever get me to accept that there MIGHT POSSIBLY be a place for religion in the future.

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And you think this board is bad, you should try the book of eli boards. A lot of oh so tolerant and mature atheists attacking what they don't believe exists.

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More than 98% of the movies out there are explicitly atheistic.


Really now...? :P




If you've heard of it, it's already too mainstream for me.

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Since the 1950's and early 1960's there has not been anything remotely Christian in cinema till this day and that includes to a large extent to this movie.

and thats where i stopped reading.
The Passion of the Christ (2004)
The Tree of Life (2011)
The Book of Eli (2010)
And THOUSANDS of other movies that are STRONGLY religiuos.
if we look at "anything remotely christian" that we may as well list 70%+ movies.

So its not worth reading the rest of your post becuase obviuos troll is obviuos.

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Thank you and well said.

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