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Terrible acting. “Films” like this destroy the local industry.


The director and the actors should be ashamed of themselves.

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Utter nonsense. I recognise that films based upon atmosphere won't work for everybody in today's age of no attention span. However the acting and cinematography were unquestionably great.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is a film 'based on atmosphere' and had great acting and cinematography? You must be the director of this fecal stain...


"Did you mean for all those words to come out like that or did they just fall out randomly?"-H.H.

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LOL What a truly insightful rebuttal. I feel so smacked down.

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How else am I supposed to react? The atmosphere is so tense and the acting so good it has a 3.8... what else is there to do but laugh? Also I never insulted you, just the movie itself...


"Did you mean for all those words to come out like that or did they just fall out randomly?"-H.H.

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I realise this film is certainly not for everyone (god forbid a horror film have a psychological element these days or require intelligence and imagination on the part of the viewer), but I'm afraid you insult yourself if you allow your subjective dislike of the film to colour your critique of the cinematography, etc. PS, I never knew that art was a popularity contest.

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Fine, let's play this game, no more random claims, let's get to specifics.

What was psychologically scary about it? What got into your head and freaked you out? To me, it was standard crappy slasher fare, so let's hear what was so psychologically frightening to you.

What required imagination from the viewer? It was all laid out pretty clearly, so what about it needed intelligence or imagination from the viewer? The truck is gateway to hell, it runs on blood, it possesses someone to do it's bidding, it's cerberus, the end. What did we ALL miss that you found SOOOOO intelligent? What did EVERYONE miss because we're not imaginative enough that you got?

I'm honestly interested to hear what your reasons could possibly be. It seems like you claim these grand things about this movie then don't say why, just that it was mentally scary and the average viewer wouldn't understand it.

Please, stop kidding yourself, this movie was garbage. You can argue it's not all you want, but when it has a 3.9, it crosses a line from 'well maybe some people didn't get it but it's not a bad flick' to it obviously just being a crap film. It's not like it has a C or B rating and i'm saying it's crap, it has an F score for gods sake!


PS: A popularity contest would be about how many people had seen it, not it's score. The people give it an F, the critics didn't like it, every post on here is about how it sucks, but sure, it's a good movie, yeah huh...



"Did you mean for all those words to come out like that or did they just fall out randomly?"-H.H.

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The fact that you call this film a "standard crappy slasher fare" speaks volumes. The horror genre is not limited to slasher film, and this certainly wasn't one. Perhaps your problem was with that expectation. Some horror films depend upon more than gore. (Frankly, the one weak point of the film for me is when they depended upon graphic depictions of the inside of the truck instead of greater subtlety. The whole Cerberus imagery went a bit overboard too. Otherwise beautifully filmed, and your contention otherwise makes me question the objectivity of your critiques).

I think your statements regarding the plot are inaccurate. The film doesn't reveal all of its mysteries immediately like you so disingenuously suggest. Unlike a slasher film where, yeah, there's some guy killing people, you are forced to watch things slowly develop, which is why so many people with zero imagination or attention span wouldn't like it. Instead, with this film, you don't know what is going to happen. You don't know where the threat is coming from or what the motives are for much of the film, and your suggestion otherwise is patently false. At first you don't know that the truck is supernatural, you don't know why the driver is shooting at them (is he pissed about them passing as in Spielberg's Duel), and why did he shoot someone else (unseen) out in the desert? No, they've taken the truck. So is the rest of the film about them being hunted down by the driver? No, it is not. And on it goes. Your suggestion to the contrary betrays your lack of concern with being accurate or realistic in your critique. Of course you begin to catch on to the influence of the truck as the behaviour of the characters becomes more bizarre, but even then you don't know the full nature of the truck. Things are revealed gradually.

One of the ways in which things are slowly developed and the mystery is built is through things that aren't explicitly explained, like that unseen shooting. Who was shot and why? Considering the manner in which you summarily dismiss the film, I doubt you bothered to even think about that or connect it to the scene with the last two of the kids at the end of the film. Now if I have to spell out for you what those parallel scenes reveal about the unnamed shooter's motives, which only becomes clear towards the end (and it isn't merely because he was "enslaved by the truck", quite the opposite) there goes your own argument re "What required imagination from the viewer?", etc. It also takes a bit of thinking to realise why the blonde boy took over his role. Why was the boy about to shoot his friends but then decided to try shooting the truck instead? Why didn't he just talk them into the back of the truck like the other possessed boy? What is the parallel with the last scene of the film? Sorry if that's more complex then "wow, he was killing them because he saw people having sex when he was a kid", but that's the way some films work. Then there's the scene in the cabin where, long before the mystery of the truck is explained, you can see the schematics on the blackboard, a similar tube (but white instead of red) that the one girl trying to start the truck saw, and the boot with the foot in it. Again, I don't know if you bothered taking much note of that, but for some of us that built up the mystery, revealing some things, building up our suspicions, while raising new questions in a deliberate and calculated manner. Slasher films in contrast depend on red herrings and misdirection (and, quite often, plot holes). Road Train was a well thought out mystery cleverly playing with the viewer's expectations all along and revealing information in a controlled manner.

Why is my subjective reaction different than yours? Sorry, but in requiring me to justify why I like the film more than you, you force me to speculate about that: Well, besides your apparent lack of comprehension of the film, and your obvious disappointment at the fact that it isn't a slasher film, I can only guess. For people used to films handing everything over on the plate, explaining them to death repeatedly, and for people who depend upon the depiction of gore and tits to get an emotional reaction, or want mundane plots that use red herrings as the sole means to create suspense, or where the entire point of the suspense is "who will be killed next?", you might have a problem with a film that takes a different approach. This film requires identification with the characters. Identification with characters doesn't mean having things in common with them or liking them, it means being able to place yourself in their situation. People who love slasher films do not have to identify with the characters, which may explain why they are usually shallow, unlikeable, one dimensional characters. They're just in it to add to the bodycount and the number of suspects. The characters in this film weren't particularly likeable either, but their roles fit them well into the building tension and conflict. The truck played upon their weaknesses. Here, you were supposed to imagine yourself in the characters' situation. Slasher films, in contrast, encourage a disconnect, often with audience members left wondering why a character did something stupid. In this film, even strange choices made by the characters were part of the plot instead of cheats. Why did the boy drive down the dirt road? That's explained. In contrast, a slasher film might expect you to take it for granted that victims will do dumb things like shower after they see a friend killed. Slasher films do not require attention spans. This film in contrast slowly builds up the tension between the characters and slowly reveals the nature of their dilemma. So I can't say I'm surprised by the film's lack of popularity, even if that is at the risk of sounding snobbish. From my perspective, the film was wonderfully surreal, built a sense of dread and suspense, fit the pieces together cleverly, etc. For you, you refused to put any work into it, you wanted to sit back and have everything explained, and with that shallow, surface appreciation of the film failed to connect to it while falsely claiming it lived up to those expectations. Sure, in the end some things are left unexplained (like the gun with endless bullets) but what supernatural film doesn't require suspension of disbelief? What matters is how it is handled. In the end, this film is about the emotional experience, and like Mulholland Drive, Antichristo, etc, (and this film makes more sense than those two) it doesn't need to fit strict Aristotelian yes/no logic to be effective. Lots of films sound stupid when encapsulated, even great ones, because film is a visual, auditory, emotional and intellecutal experience played out over a certain running time. Your little summation of the film is simply inane.

And now to your primary argument: You try to make your subjective reaction seem an objective critique of the film by noting the ratings of the film. Why isn't Road Train more popular? Why aren't supermarkets stocked up with Road Train breakfast cereal? Why doesn't McDonalds have Road Train Happy meals? Yes, the film's not for everyone, and I'm big enough to admit that, and I'm not so egocentric as to believe that my not liking a film automatically means it was badly acted or shot, or vice verse. I'd say in explanation to the ratings that the film has just found the wrong audience thus far. Like it or not, horror films are in a ghetto. Larger audiences are off watching competent but overrated fare like Black Swan because they probably unfairly equate horror with slasher films, or maybe they're just snobs. Hey, I like arthouse, but give me a good slasher film or a bad Ed Wood film too! The reason I came across Road Train is because I haunt the horror racks at video stores. The average person coming across Road Train at a video store would also be a horror fan, but likely one after a different experience than Road Train provides. While I don't think the average horror fan is stupid, many, even smart ones, have shallow tastes and just want gore and spectacle (which they will then analyse to death online). In summary, it's hardly as if this film is some widely-publicised blockbuster with a fair sampling of ratings from a wide population with widely varying tastes. I very much doubt the average movie-goer thinks to themselves: "Hey, I'm going to go to the IMDB and rate Road Train even though I've never heard of it". I never bother rating films on this website myself, even including ones the general public have heard of and actually watched. And as for critics: Pretty well every horror film made gets lots of bad reviews from "respected" critics if they bother watching it at all. Some critics are mainstream. Some have their own little niches. It's the niche ones who would review Road Train for the most part. And there's usually a reason why horror reviewers aren't mainstream reviewers. I've watched a lot of boring crap that was recommended by Ain't It Cool, Empire, etc., including pretentious slashers like Reeker.

Lastly, I'm sure there's lots of chick flicks with IMDB ratings of 7 and up. You might want to try those if you're so concerned about popularity. I personally don't consider popularity an accurate reflection of a film's intrinsic value. But, hey, if you want to fit in by following trends, more power to you. Maybe you listen to Justin Beiber too. I hear he's quite popular with the young ones since he's soooo dreamy.

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I gotta be honest, I did enjoy reading your critique. Unfortunately I just don't agree with a lot of it. I won't sit here and copy/paste every thing I disagree with, since it's a lot, but I will just say the acting is still terrible to me, and that will never change. And the 'imagine yourself in their shoes' idea has worked for many horror movie for me, this is NOT one of them. Also I had most things figured out pretty quickly, it didn't do a lot of slow reveal to me, the FIRST shot of the truck shows it driverless so it's pretty obvious it's supernatural at that point. A lot of the 'did you notice' stuff is silly too because by 50-60 mins worth of a bad movie, i'm not going to pay full attention to the last 20-30 mins to be honest.

The thing is, to YOU this is a good movie. Awesome, no problem there obviously. But to pretend it's a GOOD MOVIE in general is silly. There are movies I don't like but I know are well made, this I cannot say that about. To me this is a bad movie all around, not bad to me but I can see how people like it, just bad. I don't know what else is needed to qualify as a bad movie in general to you. It has a low score from the public, and the critics didn't like it (even the Aussie ones), and every post here seems to be about how bad it is. You seem to be the one in a hundred thousand who liked it, does that make it a good movie in general, or a good movie JUST to you?

You do agree there are BAD movies yes? Manos: hands of fate, crossroads with Britney Spears, Little Fockers, etc... aren't just bad to me or you, but are badly MADE movies. I would put this on that list as well.

But again, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question thoughtfully and with great eloquence. We're obviously just never going to agree on this movie, which is fine, plenty of others out there. I just wanted to know how someone could possibly like this movie, so thanks...


"Did you mean for all those words to come out like that or did they just fall out randomly?"-H.H.

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"The thing is, to YOU this is a good movie. Awesome, no problem there obviously. But to pretend it's a GOOD MOVIE in general is silly."

I'd say vice versa. I can see why some people don't like it, but I still don't see one single argument besides proclamations that it is somehow objectively bad. No, the road truck is never shown as driverless (neither is the truck in Spielberg's Duel driverless although you rarely see signs of the driver, and that certainly wasn't a supernatural truck). In fact, one of the main plot points of the film is that the truck always needs a driver. I'm afraid I still have to see a valid critique from you.


Yes, there are definitely bad movies. There are definitely good movies. And there are those strange creatures that are both or neither. For example, there are intelligent, well written, acted, directed, etc, films that are still unwatchable (to me that includes Aronofsky's Fountain), and films that are bad in every way but are far more fun than some good films (like Ed Wood's ouevre) and should therefore probably not be called "bad" if you assume the goal of film is to entertain people. To me, the only thing that makes Fountain "good" overall is that I'm sure the end product is what the director intended, and that Plan 9 From Outer Space is "bad" overall because it entertains people mostly for reasons the director did not intend.

I don't think there's a general rule that can be set for what makes one film worse than another since there are too many variables to consider. Why do I love sitting through Plan 9 when I find the (technically better in some ways) Gigli such absolute torture that I can't watch it for more than a few minutes? Skyline's another good example: it has amazing visuals and, after the first half hour, fast pacing, but it is crud and can't touch Plan 9, nor can it touch some films in which pretty much nothing happens (Walkabout, Picnic at Hanging Rock, etc), or some films that make less sense (Un Chien Andalou), or some that are far more predictable because you've already read the story and seen it done to death and it's so outdated it shouldn't work and looks plain murky (Nosferatu).

In other words, I cannot pin down what is an objectively bad movie (although having the name Uwe Boll connected to it is one rule of thumb) other than saying I know it when I see it, but even then I should be able to point out what makes it bad (and do).

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The popularity of something has never been the measure of its objective value, although the two can reflect each other. Many of the things we consider classics now (art, literature, music, film) weren't popular when they first came out. Van Gogh is a famous example. Much of the ancient literature we have today (the ancient Greek plays and philosophies, etc) only survived because they were discovered and preserved by the Muslims whilst they were completely forgotten and erased from history within Europe, only to be rediscovered via the Muslims centuries later. "It's a Wonderful Life" was a huge bomb when it came out and was only rediscovered in the late 70s TV thanks to its public domain status, and "A Christmas Story" was a bomb until it had been religiously shown on TV in Cleveland (the film takes place there although filmed in Toronto - yes, Christmas is on my mind) and grew from there. Etc, etc. And many things that are critical successes are never commercial successes, which explains why, say, Sparklehorse will probably never be as famous as Beiber. Of course I wouldn't compare Road Train to many of these other things. Horror as a genre is currently out of favour in general and a bit ghettoised, and horror fanatics are a different audience than the general public, which is now currently ignoring the genre for the most part.

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Influence can be both positive and negative. A bad piece of music or film that is popular can be influential if it is popular. Some of that influence may vanish eventually (as it has to some extent with the early Image comics artists), however you can still see art by those who were influenced by the less terrible artists who were in turn influenced by those artists, so their influence is still lasting 20 years later. Certainly one has to wait far more than a decade before one can tell how lasting the influence of any art is, or if the influence is good or bad, and one can still have a good idea that Rob Liefeld is a talentless hack even if his influence remains longer than him.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, influence can always take a while to set in or fail to set in at all because something has to be discovered before it can have influence, so a lack of immediate influence is hardly a basis upon which to judge something either. Popularity is always the surest route to discovery after all. Can I give you examples of a great artist who now has no influence? No. Why not? Because they are not known. I can only return to my point about how some people are rediscovered or discovered too late. It is possible that Van Gogh would have burned all of his paintings for fuel without influencing others. It is possible that Plato would never have written down Socrates (Socrates having never recorded anything himself), and that Plato would not have been subsequently discovered by the Muslims after all his influence had vanished. Would the two still have been influential down through the ages even if their specific output hadn't been preserved via those who continued to engage in philosphical dialogue within Europe? Nope. And that's even though they WERE considered influential in ancient Greece. When these Greek texts were reintroduced to Europe via Latin translations from the Arabic versions that existed thanks to their spread to the Middle-East via Alexander the Great and their tenuous survival beyond wars and burnt libraries in Alexandria, it was like a fresh discovery, and even after their reintroduction it wasn't until the Rennaisance resurgence of interest in classical civilisation that they had any widespread influence. We still know of some plays by the great playwrights only because of their mention by title in other documents. There are also examples of discoveries of largely unknown artists whose innovations didn't take off until they were subsequently invented independently by others. So talent doesn't always translate into success or immortality or even short-term influence.

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They're actually a great example of influence being a signpost of value. It was Brian Eno who supposedly said "Only five thousand people ever bought a Velvet Underground album, but every single one of them started a band." And a hell of a lot of those bands became influential themselves.

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Where do I intellectualise the film? I thought it was an entertaining horror film that gave psychological horror (vs just gore) a prominent role. That doesn't make it intellectual unless the bar for calling something "intellectual" has been set really low (and here I thought I was just saying the film appeals to people who still have attention span and imagination and can be bothered to work out a plot). As for Cerberus (not the aardvark -- Cerebus is Canadian, not Greek), that's a widely recognised beast of Hell. Who gives a *beep* if it isn't a symbol of Aboriginal mythology? Neither are trucks or white teens on road trips.

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