MovieChat Forums > Death Note (2017) Discussion > Any actual Asian people offended at this...

Any actual Asian people offended at this movie?


As an Asian guy I'm hyped for this movie and really surprised to read so much hate here about "white washing". The movie is an American adaptation, starring Americans (or facsimiles). It'd be weird if all the main players are Asian.

None of my Asian friends are particularly offended. I live in Japan and none of my coworkers are particularly offended. Hell, most don't give a damn.

If you want an all Japanese adaptation, you have your fair share of picks. There's the anime, the movie series, and the 2015 TV series. Having this movie exist doesn't suddenly erase those.

If you're not Asian and feel some deep need to be offended for us, save it. We don't need it. There are very real problems in Hollywood and other facets of society. I don't think this movie is one of them. The movie has a great director and a great cast, and I look forward to seeing it.

Just a friendly reminder that non-Asians being offended for our sake is not a good look. We think it's patronizing and we wish you'd stop.

reply

Yes I'm chinese and I am

reply

Yet another post on this topic.

People just want diversity in casting and I don't see why people need to make several threads on whitewatshing.

reply

I'm not asian, but I'm offended alright.

I'm offended by the casting, full of mediocre to downright *beep* actors.
I'm offended by the director, who is a *beep* retard.
I'm offended by the writers, that are a horde of talentless retards
I'm offended by how *beep* this movie will be.

Some BODY once told me.

reply

I don't know much about the source material but I wouldn't say the movie is full of *beep* actors. Both William dafoe and shea wigham are great actors and Keith stanfield has been my favorite part Atlanta so far and I'm excited to see him in a movie.

reply

I like Shea Wigham too; as for Lakeith Stanfield I'm at least planning to watch Short Term 12. I am sympathetic to the other posters complaints though. In the sense that there's nothing concrete to suggest this is going to be great

--
There's no such thing as the establishment. Everyone knows that!

reply

Of course you don't, you aren't an American so American issues don't affect you. Maybe if you were what you had to say might have had some value.

And what a huge ego you have. Nobody is offended "for" you, they are offended for THEMSELVES.


And so Governor Devlin, because even the cost of freedom can be too high, I REFUSE your pardon!

reply

japanese dont really care, they already have their japanese death note movie. You should watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DhoBuU1Dtc

THRILLER IS MY FOOD!

reply

Oh, look, another one ignoring Asian Americans and using that stupid video of 6 random people in a country of over 100 million as a shield to defend racist crap. You should watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdxz2htgPiQ

reply

japanese already have their own version of death note dude, which is everyone is japanese in that movie. Why american need to make another death note movie with japanese people again. There is already 4 version of death note live action movie by japanese. Total 100% japanese. Every asian american should watch that total non-whitewashing version & just ignore this american version.

THRILLER IS MY FOOD!

reply

japanese already have their own version of death note dude, which is everyone is japanese in that movie. Why american need to make another death note movie with japanese people again.


Because America is a multi-racial country. There are Asian Americans. Light Yagami can easily be made into an Asian American. There is no excuse for the racist whitewash casting.

Every asian american should watch that total non-whitewashing version & just ignore this american version.


And all white people in America should just ignore American movies and TV shows and just stick to German and Swedish movies and TV. How about that?

reply

they already made this movie dude, dont watch it to honor your principle. They make ton of money and we keep pointlessly arguing about them. Multi-racial american can watch whatever they like. We make our own choice, and we are free to hate too. I totally respect your opinion. Peace.

THRILLER IS MY FOOD!

reply

they already made this movie dude


That's not the argument here.

reply

ok, I got it. Hope they will take more asian american in every asian movie adaptation by american.

THRILLER IS MY FOOD!

reply

Living in China I understand it's hard for Asian Americans to get teaching jobs there because the locals want foreign English teachers who look visibly foreign. What may be going on is that the Japanese property owners possibly wanted somebody who is a "visible foreigner" and therefore a white guy at the helm.

reply

Did you not read a goddamn word I wrote?

Also, here's a video you should watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwNTjlEpJD0


And so Governor Devlin, because even the cost of freedom can be too high, I REFUSE your pardon!

reply

OK

THRILLER IS MY FOOD!

reply

you aren't an American so American issues don't affect you.


^Now there's a keeper of a quote! Such naivety..... it's almost endearing!

Nobody is offended "for" you, they are offended for THEMSELVES.


Hmm, personally I've yet to witness anyone genuinely offended by this film's casting, whether it be - despite your unconvincing denials, on others behalf or for themselves.

I have however observed plenty of opportunistic race hustlers merely feigning offence whilst trying to project there own profound racial bigotry onto a speciously 'noble' cause. In fact one suspects that that sort eagerly lap up the deluge of 'evil whitey' rhetoric likely festooning their respective college campuses these days. 

How unusual, nay unprecedented.

Sort of.


reply

Hmm, personally I've yet to witness anyone genuinely offended by this film's casting


Talk about a "keeper of a quote. Basically it's, "I claim I have seen no one therefore they do not exist."

Amazing argument. 

It's almost as if it was a shamelessly underhanded and weasel thing that a white supremacist would say that has lost the conversation but will still say anything in order to defend the system of white supremacy. 

reply

Sorry 'Wes' but you've long since compromised your specious objections to westernised adaptions of Japanese anime/manga by clearly not giving a sh^t about non-white/Asian actors portraying ostensibly Asian characters.....

On the contrary, you're outright defensive about it which is odd for someone so apparently opposed to such adaptions (and why)!

In fact one suspects that if Hollywood adapted an anime franchise featuring an all black cast we wouldn't here a peep of feeble protest out of you!

reply

Sorry 'Wes'




And that confusion goes for the rest of your twaddle.

Mind replying to what I actually wrote or is going off on tangents all you can do? Doesn't surprise me really because people who know they are wrong but stubbornly want to argue anyway will always deflect and that includes deflecting to pure nonsense. 

reply

[deleted]

^Now there's a keeper of a quote! Such naivety..... it's almost endearing!


...because?


Hmm, personally I've yet to witness anyone genuinely offended by this film's casting, whether it be - despite your unconvincing denials, on others behalf or for themselves.

I have however observed plenty of opportunistic race hustlers merely feigning offence whilst trying to project there own profound racial bigotry onto a speciously 'noble' cause. In fact one suspects that that sort eagerly lap up the deluge of 'evil whitey' rhetoric likely festooning their respective college campuses these days.

How unusual, nay unprecedented.

Sort of.


Not sure if that's coming from extreme cynicism or paranoia, but either way it's bull. I see no reason to not think that the adage of the simplest explanation usually being the right one holds here.


And so Governor Devlin, because even the cost of freedom can be too high, I REFUSE your pardon!

reply

Japanese American.

I'm offended.

What kinda BS that "change" the character to Light Turner...............................................................

Apparently Americans are so uncultured they can't take a Japanese last name (not even a hard to pronounce one like Yagami -- the name itself lends itself to the story - Night God and Moon kanji characters).

Turner has nothing to do with the story or character (originally). It's like when the abomination of One Piece or Pokemon changes names of things from rice balls to "doughnuts" or similar dumbing down of cultural content.

I'm offended by the assumption that Americans are dumb, uncultured, and not open to other cultural nods. Despite the anime fans who will be the majority of people supporting this project, being more cultured with Japanese culture than typical Americans.

reply

Yagami -- the name itself lends itself to the story - Night God and Moon kanji characters).


...You don't think that's a little on the nose? "Light Turner" might actually have more implications than you give it credit for anyway.

--
There's no such thing as the establishment. Everyone knows that!

reply

Fair enough but my issue is that they hire actors for "name" recognition or because they think the actor will be easily digested by American audiences, but then they change the character name to fit the actor, instead of finding actors to fit the characters.

Imagine if Jackie Chan was cast as Harry Potter just to get name recognition and they renamed the character to "Harry Lee" to fit Jackie's Chinese features ? It throws away the source material (at least in the minds of the book fan base) from the get-go and loses a lot of credibility.

Part of the problem is that J.K. Rowling held good control over the film rights, so she didn't have to sit back and grin and nod while the movie studios stomped on her literary works, but typically Japanese directors / artists who are tied to Hollywood adaptations are just brought on to give viability to the project for the fans, they have no real say in the production / writing / final drafts.

The Dragon Ball author told the studios they weren't on the right track w/ characters or the world they were building, but they continued along anyway and didn't work w/ him (Akira Toriyama) to make sure it was faithful.

Maybe if Japanese companies ensured that authors / producers / directors from the source materials got final say, they would have better results?

reply

"Nat Wolff" is not a household name. I don't think they "changed" any name to "fit the actor." They write the script first, that's the start of the process. Light's name is not Japanese for cultural reasons, just like Light's name was Japanese in the original story, not for aesthetic reasons but cultural reasons. Light isn't Japanese because "Japan is so cool" Light is Japanese because the author is Japanese. This is fairly standard operating procedure, it even often extends to gender.

I mean, Harry Potter is not Death Note. I had another person say this to me about James Bond. James Bond is an English speaking character. All of his books are written in English. All his movies are filmed in English. Trying to "translate" it, so it works for American audiences would be a waste of time. There's no language barrier. JK Rowling has the level of control she has over Harry Potter because of the impact her work has on the English speaking world. She's the one who made the money through her books. She's in a position of influence that way, with her fans, the same way Ohba was in Japan, when his work was being turned into anime.

The Dragon Ball author told the studios they weren't on the right track w/ characters or the world they were building, but they continued along anyway and didn't work w/ him (Akira Toriyama) to make sure it was faithful.


How is this the same? The movie would not have been good with another actor in the lead role.

Maybe if Japanese companies ensured that authors / producers / directors from the source materials got final say, they would have better results?


Have you seen any of the movies Stephen King has directed? I'm not seeing any evidence that this movie is being ruined by anything - don't get me wrong I don't expect it to be good, but to anticipate a failure on par with Dragonball Evolution, knowing virtually nothing about it, "because white people" seems like quite a stretch.

Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UrertvW3ac

In short: he says the way to ensure fair representation and diversity, is to have people who are ethnically diverse be a part of the decision making process from the beginning. More specifically those who would consider themselves to be a part of the group being represented or normally misrepresented/ignored.

Of the ten producers working on the Netflix adaptation of Death Note four are what one might consider "definitively" ethnically Asian. Most of the producing credits are co-producer, or executive producer; of these four, three are credited "producer"

Executive producer in particular can be a courtesy credit, for anyone who puts money into the film. (Not always and this is especially different on TV shows) Usually they manage finances. Co-producer is a roundabout way of saying "contributed to the process, but not as influential" Producer usually means "I paid for pretty much all of this, so I will make the decisions, if I so choose." The director is the guy who picks everyone and makes decisions? Yeah. The producers picks the director, and mediates his/her decisions. The producer is the one person in the central hierarchy who can tell the director "no" at any point in the process of production.

(Interesting Note: J.K. Rowling has only one producer's credit in the entire Harry Potter franchise. Two, if you consider that it was the "last film" in the series. - Since it was split into two parts)

Anyway these producers are; Masi Oka, Japanese; Dan Lin, Taiwanese - and "development executive" on The Departed; and Roy Lee, Korean-American, also worked on The Departed.

In fact Roy Lee is specifically a producer or executive producer on a number of Asian to American film adaptations, and some non-Asian sourced foreign films as well; to varying degrees of success.

So if you're worried about something getting lost in translation due to cultural appropriation, consider exactly who it is who may be appropriating it first.

--
There's no such thing as the establishment. Everyone knows that!

reply

Interestingly in the U.S. book versions of Harry Potter they did make minor vocabulary and phrase changes from the British original so American readers could understand it better. I heard it's a common practice for British books published in the US, but not for US books published in the UK.

reply

Page turner...

You may have a beef with the Japanese property owners of Death Note. I'm not sure if they had a hand in deciding casting (directly or indirectly) but since this is supposed to be an American adaptation of Death Note they may have wished that white Americans have most of the roles/the lead role/etc. From their perspective it would be pointless to make them all "Japanese" over again.

Yes, East Asians do have that attitude towards Asian Americans: in China it's difficult for Asian Americans to get jobs as foreign English teachers because the locals want someone who looks visibly foreign.

I do think it would have been nice to have, say, Mia be Asian (but perhaps of another descent) since Seattle is very heavily Asian.

reply

I'm not Asian, but I am angry that apparently, no Japanese American actors were even invited to audition!

Also, I find it strange that an American adaptation wouldn't rely on the source material, that e.g. clearly states that Watari is British, Wedy/Wendy is American and Aiber is French. One of the creators said L is 3/4 white. Since the story is taking place in the US, the police force would be American but Watari and L, if true to the source material, would still be European outsiders.

Oh well, I will have a look at the trailer when it comes out, but I'm not expecting much :-/

reply

I'm not Asian, but I am angry that apparently, no Japanese American actors were even invited to audition!


That's the only thing actual Japanese people (not Japanese-Americans) are offended about. By and large from all I've seen, the Japanese mostly just care about whether or not the actors do their characters justice.

reply

Paul Nakauchi is, in all probability, of Japanese origins, and he plays Watari.

reply

The American version was probably made so the balance of the characters reflected US demographics. From a Japanese standpoint, Watari was a "foreign" character (the UK is a long way from Japan), so to make Watari different in the English-speaking world they made him ethnic Japanese in the US film (I haven't seen the US film yet, so I don't know if Watari is supposed to be Japanese-American or a Japanese citizen). They may also have chosen to make him ethnic Japanese to refer to the property's origins in Japan.

The Aiber and Wedy characters don't exist at all in the U.S. film. I think one of the complaints about it was that it had too many characters/plot points, so I don't see how adding Aiber and Wedy would be feasible.

BTW I personally would have made Mia Asian (of a non-Japanese origin and/or adopted) considering Seattle does have a large Asian American population.

reply

I'm Chinese and I'm not. I do find it sad in some movies where the Asian role is given to a white person. We've come a long way, a couple decades ago we didn't even get the token minority role that blacks complained off, now we do.

They could have had more Asians in this but I wasn't too bothered. I didn't feel the movie was that great and that was a bigger issue for me. It didn't excite me the same was as the anime series.

The lead actors were a bit dull. L was decently quirky. I was sad at how Ryuk looked, I've seen commercials with Ryuk in it that looked better.

reply