Is Johnny bi?


I haven't watched the movie yet and I cant tell by just watching the trailer. Is Johnny bi or what? And how much guy on guy kissing is there in this movie? I'm really thinking about watching it this weekend.

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Well, I don't think so. I think he's terribly lonely and is willing to do almost anything for the chance at having a friend. When Ben puts some moves on him he thinks "this is what my friend needs right now" and he goes along with it. But it could be interpreted differently, I suppose.

There isn't a lot of guy on guy kisssing. There's one scene where they guys are kissing and I think they kiss twice in that one. Later on there's some hugging between them. But that's it.

You should see the movie though. It's really well done: well acted, funny, honest and provocative.

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Oh yeah, but there must be guy on guy kissing in the threesome scene right? I'm watching this movie this Sunday. It looks really good!

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I don't recall a lot of guy kissing in the threesome scene. I recall some hugging and touching (maybe a few pecks)but I could be mistaken.

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Oh i see. Thanks a lot for the info! Maybe I'll just wait for it to come out on DVD, lol.

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Aw, see it in the theaters, support the filmmakers!

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I really wanted to but the theaters near my area aren't playing it anymore. :(

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It may open in some more areas later on. It only played in 2 theaters initially.

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Johnny is definately NOT bi. In all of his sexual scenes with Ben he is always visually uncomfortable and emotionally at ends. Johnny's character is complicated and his own identity may even be in question so it may be hard for others to tell his sexuality. He is exploring, yes, but NOT his sexual identity. He is searching for comfort, friendship, and a haven of sorts. It's almost as if his relationships offer him some sort of reprieve from his anxiety that he has. The source of his anxiety? His messed up family-structure and the absence of his mother and his father being gone all the time.

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I agree with RomanticPhilosopher 100%. Johnny is looking for friendship/companionship and I think it just doesn't bother him about the sexual activity that he's participating in. He's so desperate for a connection that he'll go beyond (if only slightly) his limit of intimacy. Even his therapist picks up on it and she's trying to get him to see that what he's looking for is not what not Ben (or Alexa) want.

To me, his reactions of pulling away from Ben when Ben becomes eager/aggressive, shows that he's not into dudes. It looks like Johnny's trying to restrain himself from not showing how icky the situations are for him.

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Another case of labels being meaningless. Johnny isn't gay, he isn't straight, and he isn't bi - if you believe in the definitions of those words. There's a broad spectrum of sexuality with strictly straight on one end, completely gay on the other end and an area between that is waaay too wide to be covered with the simple word 'bi'.

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Johnny is definitely bisexual or questioning, I think. Some are putting it down to his need for "companionship," but I think it is pretty obvious when you watch the movie that he is indeed enjoying experimenting with his sexuality.

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Pretty obvious to you perhaps, but I don't see that Johnny was enjoying his sexual encounters with Ben at all. Unlike the short, which paints Johnny as obviously a questioning young man who is titillated by the idea of a same sex encounter, Johnny in the film seems clearly taken by the admiration, and the promise of love, that Ben has to offer. The sexual elements are the price he's willing to pay, and only to a certain extent at that, in order to keep in Ben's good graces. Unlike the scenes with Alexa, where Johnny is both driven by a need to be loved AND the sexual interactions, he is never painted as wanting to be with Ben, and if anything often tempers Ben's obvious eagerness to sex him up.

So no, I don't think there is even one iota of one moment in this film where Ben is questioning his sexuality, much less enjoying "experiementing".

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Yeah straight guys do what Johnny did with Ben all the time...

Right.

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Oh look, another small minded, extremely narrow take on human sexuality. Of course the fact that Johnny felt like he had to do these things to make Ben happy, and keep him in his life, is inconsequential. Just the fact that any kind of sexual activity happened between the boys most automatically make him gay or bi.


Right.

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Narrow take on human sexuality? Please. I am far from narrow minded; don't even go there. A lot of people perceive Johnny to be completely straight, and that the sexual aspect of his relationship with Ben is merely the price he is willing to pay for companionship. I understand that. All I'm saying is, in my opinion, I don't think it's completely out of the realms of possibility that Johnny may be bisexual or questioning. Your point that it's not so black and white is exactly my point; yes, he states in the film that he is, in fact, not gay, and that he only accepted Ben's advances because of the way he was looking at him, like he needed him, but I think there could be more to the story. Both theories are possible.

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Your post is particularly funny considering that I did not 'go there' with you. My post beginning with 'Oh look, another small minded, extremely narrow take on human sexuality' was addressed to the poster above that message, the appropriately named 'RidiculousPasta'.

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Eh. My point still stands.

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Since I already long accepted, and respected, your point, even if I don't agree, this rebuttal is redundant. My post didn't address your post, it merely clarified a misunderstanding.

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Your post was stupid and you couldn't handle being called out.

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What? Who are you? I have absolutely no idea what you're even talking about. Did you mean to reply to me?

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I agree, to an extent. I think Johnny is portrayed in such a way that the idea of him being bisexual or questioning isn't completely out of the realms of possibility.

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While I agree that the main reason Johnny hooked up with Ben was due to the type of close bond he wished to have, I think he may have been at least curious. He didn't seem to have a problem with Ben giving him a blow job as he did not try and stop him. While he did look uncomfortable later in the film, I think the main reason what because he was either in front of Alexa and Courtney or just Alexa...it seems like he was fine with doing things with Ben in private, but once he was in front of the girls, he wasn't.

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Bit late but yeah I agree with this mostly, personally I think Johnny is pansexual. Like mentioned he doesn't seem bothered earlier in the film by Ben's advances, he feels like he should be bothered but he isn't (shown by how he resists in a very half hearted way but very easily succumbs)it's only when Ben gets aggressive that he truly begins to pull away, if you look at the way he acts in front of Alexa and Courtney he mostly just seems embarrassed, he even continues to ask him along with him and Alexa. It's when Ben becomes more aggressive and tries make it all about him Johnny doesn't respond, if you look at the last kiss between him and Ben he stops it when he gets over eager.

That being said, out of the two he was definitely more into Alexa sexually, whether that was just because he prefers woman or just preferred Alexa (Ben was very creepy in the end, VERY) I don't know but I'd still go with pansexual. He only cares about the feelings and closeness when it comes down to it.

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I agree that he was definitely not just heterosexual. Whether bi, pansexual or potentially even gay we'll never know. But straight guys don't repeatedly fool around with a guy within the span of just a few days, I don't care how lonely they are.

And don't forget he gave his best friend a hand job, you know the one with the curious case of the bully that doth protest a bit too much calling other people gay. Yeah, that pre self-hating gay dude. But he's another movie.

The reality is that these kids are all in high school and there is no one, maybe not even the kids themselves, that can definitely say what the future holds for them. All three are clearly fragile and very inexperienced at love (Johnny's frat-like exploits don't count as many guys that eventually turned out to be gay can tell you). They're just beginning to really figure out who they are.

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Johnny is definitely bisexual. Not only does he get an erection being with only a male partner, but he keeps the erection and I believe we are to assume that he has a sexual climax with only a male partner.

That said, I believe Johnny definitely leans toward the heterosexual side of bisexuality. Although maybe that is just conditioning and in time that might change??

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I think if given the opportunity with someone less needy as Been then I think Johnny could probably be in something deep with a man. But there were points during the threesome he obviously seemed a little annoyed by Ben but was willing to do what he had to in order to have a friend. I must admit I cried when he said he loved them.

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I don't care for the use of absolutes, so I don't really think anyone can be 100% gay or straight. I also don't think having a gay relationship makes you gay, or having a straight relationship automatically makes you straight.

I think it was pretty clear Johnny didn't want anything sexual from Ben, but he did want Ben as a friend and to please him. It was Alexa he had the attraction to romantically. But, regardless of sex he wanted love and companionship. ...They wanted him for his "body." Hence, things did not end well.

Based on the movie, it didn't really look like Johnny was so into guys, and I know he's in therapy for his emotional issues, but should the therapy not work out, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for Johnny to hook up with another guy-- If he had an emotional attachment to him, and that's what the guy wanted. But, I don't think Johnny would ever pursue a gay partner on his own.

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I think he's one of those people those people whose sexuality is emotion dominated, rather than body foucused, therefore a bit more fluid, so I agree with the others who suggest that if Ben didn't put out the vibe that he just wanted to get laid, rather than get intimate and perhaps allow him to take the lead, then his bisexuality may have been a bit more obvious.

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I think the characters in the film are too young to know what they are. Johnny was not repelled by Ben's advances; he was just unsure of them. Courtney, too, was definitely an unexplored character who seemed to pine for the female lead. I think the movie was about growing up, and finding what it right for everyone via exploration.

However, it ended up with a terrible After School Special moralist ending. Too bad. I hope college goes better...

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