'You could have saved him'


I don't get this. Why would a mother blame her 8 (?) year old son for failing to save her other one?

I can understand saying it in a heat of the moment when it happened, but blaming him for the rest of her life? Just doesn't makes sense to me. She'd be happy he's still alive and clinged to him even more.

What do you guys think?

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Alistair Little (Liam Neeson), when they were filming and Joe was upstairs, did say if he had known it was his brother, he would've killed him too. So the boys mother would've lost both sons.

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All I could think of was that her son was the only person there when it happened, and so he was the only physical person she could rail at and blame and shout at, because her own inability to have been able to do anything about it ate away at her so much.

Just a thought.

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i thought it was because he was there when it happened and could have stopped the guy somehow by maybe screaming or pushing him or doing something instead of just standing there. i could be way off the mark though. and he was 11 so she might have expected more from him. that combined with the fact that she probably just needed someone to blame is probably why she did it. i still don't condone what she did but thats what i think her justification is. plus this was based on a true story so i dont think they made up that part

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It wasn't made up. The part where we see James Nesbitt (for the 1st time) in the car, his words are Joe's words. And the part where Liam Neeson is being filmed are Alistair's own words. The writer tweaked them a bit in places to make the words flow better as dialogue in a script.
I think 'justification' is the wrong choice of word as I there is no justification in Joe's mother blaming him. He didn't kill his brother. He couldn't have done anything to stop Alistair. And if he did, his mother would've lost two sons. As I said, those really were Alistair's own words and he said if he had known that the boy was the brother, he would've killed him too.

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My take on it is that her mother felt helpless and did not have the courage to face the truth that she had to put the blame on Joe. People tend to hurt the ones they love.

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That did bother me a lot in the movie. Why was she blaming the kid? Seriously, if the older brother couldn't defend himself, why would the 11 year old he able to do anything at all?

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Well, the older brother wasn't even aware that the killer was outside. But Joe did.

I think you're all trying to understand the mother through movie characterisation logic. The fact is people are more unpredictable than cinema would like us to think. I don't doubt people Joe's mother exist and have blamed their children for the death of others.

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I think you're all trying to understand the mother through movie characterisation logic. The fact is people are more unpredictable than cinema would like us to think.


They're also stupider

How's that old saying go? The difference between real life and fiction is that fiction has to make sense.

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For me this was making the point that the mother had lost touch with reality. Her grief over the loss of her oldest son was so great that in effect she became insane. Why this grief was so great is another question - she may have felt closer to the older boy because he was an adult, bringing a wage into the house, in some ways being the man of the house in a patriarchal society. It may have been exacerbated by the realisation that now she would be back to bringing up a child on her own with little income, a situation that she thought she had escaped from. She may already have had the seeds of mental illness within her to be triggered by this trauma. The Troubles in Northern Ireland produced a lot of damaged people with no external wounds.

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I think it's very little about what he could have actually physically have done to stop Allistar, clearly there wasn't much, he was after all a little boy. The mothers blame, comes from an inability to direct her anger at anyone. She cannot understand what has happened and why it has happened to her son. Inevitably she needs to direct her anger, upset and confusion at someone. The only person she can "blame" is her son as she is the only person she knows connected to the accident as he was there at the time. The emotional trauma therefore results in her anger becoming perversely directed at him. Obviously her emotional instability is exacerbated by the death of the father soon after, this causes her to never fully come to terms with what has happened and realise that her younger son is not to blame.

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I thought this was very unrealistic. A mother would never do that, she'd be thrilled her young son was alive and worried about what he'd seen. I found the movie less interesting after that because it was so unrealistic.

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i Don't necessarily think the mother blamed joe for the rest of her life. we only saw scenes in joe's young life of the mother displaying physical actions of this whilst she would definitely be in the midst of primary grief. Losing her son may have made her emotionally cold for sure...she might never have been able to convey to joe that she did not blame him.For joe the physical blaming suffered as a child stays in his mind this is all we see on film.

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Good post, Mico. I thought her blaming the son out of anger was very realistic. It's just unfortunate someone that young can't understand and it ends up haunting them for the rest of their life.


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Mico, your post sums up exactly how I was interpreting this. It was an irrational response to an irrational situation. I think too, that a lot of what we see is Joe's prespective fed by his own guilt and interpretation of his mother's reaction. She was obviously distraught and put blame against Joe but that burden has obviously been eating at him for most of his life and would have become exaggerated beyond what it might have really been.

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she got a little crazy, poor kid

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People handle grief differently, especially the grief of losing a child. I am not a psychologist, but I am guessing that this mom had some guilt that she was not home to protect her son (not that there's anything she could have done). Since she was not willing to face those feelings of guilt, she had to look for some other source of irrational blame, that of expecting her 11 yr old son to prevent a drive-by shooting. I agree that if she later came to terms with this just being one of those sh^tty things that happen in life, she likely would not have had the nerve to tell her son she was sorry for laying this mind job on her son.

Since the script was written straight from hours of interviews with Alistair Little and Joe Griffin, I think it is safe to say that it was Joe Griffin's impression that his mother told him many times, at least while he was growing up, that it was all his fault that his brother was dead. It does not appear that she did anything at any time to alter this verbal castigation, since he makes some comment about having to hear it from her for 33 years (or something to that extent). I also agree that children can carry the things their parents say to them when young with them a long time, even into adulthood.

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I find it odd that some people can't believe a person would do this to their child. People do much, much worse things to their children everyday. I think all the psycho-babble about why she did it is nonsense. She was a mean, bitter, selfish, cold-hearted witch. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Sorry, but the mother was out of line. She made the situation worse for the boy. He grew up with guilt when the guilt only belonged to the murderer. There was nothing he could have done except get killed too. Even if he had warned the brother, did the brother have a weapon? No. The boy went into shock. Understandable for a kid that age. And Little shot the brother almost immediately. The mother destroyed his life just as much as the murderer. I don't buy the grief excuse. Unless you're saying she would've felt better about burying 2 sons instead of one. A totally psychotic woman and not much of a mother.

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