In the movie, Goldburg says that you can't jump back to the same place twice without frying your brain. But in the butterfly effect 1, Even jumps back to the same event multiple times and it doesn't fry his brain (unless you consider his nose bleeds "frying")
sharethe nose bleeds were the result of new memories flooding his brain, jumping to the same time twice shouldn't fry his brain, in the butterfly effect evan did it 3 times in the same time,its a mystery why it would fry his brain in this one.
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he never got any new memories in this one , that is inconsistent with the first, they should've had memories flooding his brain, it would've made more sense then
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The movie is extremely inconsistent and has major plot holes. It doesn't hold up to the first. You're right, he didn't gain new memories in this movie. He was always completely confused as to what events took place because he just got there. In the second movie, it seemed like he was confused as well but not like in the third. In the first movie, he had new memories so he never wondered "Hey what happened?"
Its just poorly written and inconsistent between the trilogy. I wouldn't think about it too much.
Evan's time travel and Sam's time travel were completely differemt.
In Evan's tmetravel, he would go back in time at the same age he'd be in that time. For exaple, if he was born in 1980, and the current time was 1994, he would be 14. If he went back 5 years ago to 1989, he would go back in his original body of that time which would make him 9 years old if he time traveled to that point again. Therefore, there would still only be ONE Evan.
In Sam's time travel, if he time traveled to his own 10th birthday party, he would be watching himself instead of being "himself." Therefore, there would MORE THAN ONE Sam. Sam would have went back in time to his 10th birthday party as an adult, not as a 10 year old. And he wouldn't have complete control over his own 10 year old body like Evan would've. See the difference?
If Sam would keep going back in time to the same point, there would be more and more Sam's.
(my mental math wasn't good here. Forgive the misleading mathmatics of the birthdate and year difference. But you get the point lol)
no at the end is was in his 15 year old body there was only 1 sam only he could choose where he was even if he didnt visit it and could go to any time he was alive
shareYou can go back to the same place twice, but it just careful not to go so many times like in part one. I part 1 his brain did overload from doing this, and in this part he only did it once, and that was in the end.
shareYou guys all have a point, but I think the way they jump is different.
Sam has this ice bath, and a special way of doing it, while Evan just reads and flies back to that date.
Sam uses an impersonal place and time, while Evan's diaries make him become himself at that age.
When Sam jumps in the end, he is doing it off of his memory, not as an impersonal time refernece.
I believe that this makes the difference in the jump.
If you jump off of memories, then you become the young you, but as a date and place, you become another person.
And yes, I think he cant jump back twice because it would make several instances of him and..I dont know...rip a hole in the space time continuum (lol)
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The reason you're all confused is because this movie was really sloppy. Fact of the matter is that there is only one Sam, and when he jumps back, he jumps back to that body. A good example of that is when he jumps to being a little boy, and observes Glenn's past, to figure out how he met his wife.
Basically, any time you see Sam jumps to a place and it looks like anything besides his mind time travelled, it's because the writers were too lazy to explain that only his consciousness travelled, then he took his body to the places he wanted to go. They just skipped all that, because they figure the average person who watches this movie isn't going to think too much about it.
That's why they filled it with gore, sex, and gangsta rap. It's about making a quick buck, not making a movie worth thinking about..
Um…I just watched the movie, and they were consistent about the fact that Sam jumped back into his younger body. Sometimes he just looked like his older self, because he was jumping back to a time when he was already fully grown, like the scene in the closet and the one in the factory.
sharebecause the time contunuum would be torn apart and we would all be sucked into subspace in matter of miliseconds.
ok, now seriously, probably because if he sees himself in the time his brain may go crazy.
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Honestly I dont subscribe to the Multiple Instances of the Same Person Theory. Each Time Sam Jumped Back, It was to a time where his jump age was right with his real age. The fire jump he was 15 or so, even if u look when he goes to see the murder of his first love he's younger. If u notice the unsolved case in the beginning, the murder happened possibly not far from the supposed present. When Sam Jumps he retains memories of the previous futures. So he knows why he was jumping for the police, and knows when and where to be to spot the apparent crime. I dont believe there was a different Sam watching the police murders or any other situation he jumped back to. There were no Multiple Instances of him.
shareI also believe that there isnt multiply Sams but it does get you wondering what the Sam of that time was doing. For instance on the 1st jump where the mother was being killed in the park..... That was only a couple of days away from the present, so is either he jumped back to his body (lets say he was at a restaurant eating at that time.... or whatever) then he just gets up and heads to that location in the park or does the Sam of that time dissapears and appears in the park but being the present/future Sam? Its very confusing and i know if we keep thinking more of it the more questions we are gonna have but Sam and Evan are truly different and therefore have different experiences while jumping. Maybe being evolved? (to be evolved would mean better than before so evolved is not a very good to describe their difference but whatever)
shareI think all we need to know is that their powers function differently therefore their brains are wired differently. From what I remember, in the first one, he used his diary to go back in time. In the second one, the protagonist used pictures, and in the third one, Sam used numbers. I don't think Sam gains memories of what he has done after he jumps "back to the future". Remember that when Sam goes into Lonnie's office and asks him where he was the night of Rebecca's murder, Lonnie shows Sam that he is crippled yet Sam doesn't remember anything about it.
shareIt's also possible that their method of time-travel is completely different, not just the way they jump, but the actual biological factors that give them the ability to travel through time could be completely different or even just different in the most minimal of ways. This could be why they jump differently and why Sam doesn't remember what happened in the new time-line, yet at least. If I remember correctly from the 1st film (I could be wrong) but it took a little while for Evan to remember and catch up with what was going on in his new time-lines, so maybe Evan's brain works a little bit faster than Sam's. But who knows maybe Sam will remember the past but it just will take a little while.
shareI think i just discovered two big plot holes.
The facts:
1. You can't jump back to the same time more than once.
2. In the timeline where Sam meets his sister in the warehouse, he has allready jumped back to the day of the fire to save his sister.
3. Rebecca must have at same point jumped back and killed Sam's girlfriend (Rebecca was it?) in the timeline that she currently is in.
One problem is that in the warehouse scene in the ending, he jumps back to the day of the fire. The second is that his Jenna jumps back to the day of Rebeccas death before Sam gets there.
Rebecca may have gone back some time before, but it doesn't exclude the fact that she exists in the past at the same time twice. (The time of rebeccas death)
Somebody help me with this?
Maybe it's just a recommendation, not an actual rule.
shareObviously it has no consequence other than preventing the hero.
shareYeah I figured it was a recommendation, like the rest of Goldburg's rules.
I think he tells you not to do it because if you go back to the same time to try to change something and it doesn't work, you'll feel compelled to keep revisiting the same time to try to keep changing it. That's what got Evan in trouble in the first one.
Any other differences are because Evan and Sam's abilities are different.
Also if he time travels in his own body, then he def has time to go to each murder site. If he was doing something important he could just cancel it.
Yeah, since it never seemed like Sam had a job other than doing work for the police, his schedule would've always been free when he needed to go back to observe something. Then as a movie convenience, they simply didn't show when Sam did the traveling to the scenes.
Goldberg mentioned you can't have too many overlaps. It's possible that going to the same place twice won't hurt you, but if you kept going back to the same place repeatedly to change one event it could have consequences. So I agree with your point of view.
I thought this film was great and it managed to not just rehash the first film, it was certainly better than the 2nd film. I believe there is one major problem and that is not explaining how the mythology has changed. In the film we see him constantly in a tub of ice, perhaps this helped with the "frying of the brain" I'm sure in the script they had an explanation and maybe if they were to write a fourth film using these ideas they can build upon it
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